Topic: you're making bitcoin complicated - page 2. (Read 1289 times)

There is enough logic in your words.  Despite having enough arguments, I could not agree with your complete statement.  Although many of us are making Bitcoin harder and harder, there are some things we have to say hard.  If a new user asks which wallet is safe to keep bitcoin in, I think it is better to say the hardest wallet.  Because it reduces the fear of losing bitcoin.  If a new user asks me how to earn bitcoin, I will tell him about the signature. By doing so, he will get a much better idea about bitcoin.

Bitcoin can be interesting for those searching for new investment opportunities. Bitcoin has proven many times that it can survive no matter how severe market conditions are. Bitcoin can be interesting for those searching for disruptive technologies. These technologies are often unnoticed by the vast majority of people. But later they change the world albeit it is usually a slow process. Bitcoin can be interesting for those searching for a tool with which they would be able to transact freely. It is a sad truth for people living under oppressive regimes or in sanctioned countries. They are out of the world economy, but still they are humans like you and me, they have a right to free speech and freedom of transactions. Necessity is driving them to learn bitcoin, not just curiousity. When your life depends on bitcoin, it doesn't matter for you how complex it is.

im not just babbling that bitcoin is complicated
i can upgrade myself by learning more because im interested in it but what about those not interested
because to be honest bitcoin is really complicated especially to those not interested
i start this topic to learn how to make it interesting and easy and im still in the process
but thanks to the some of the reply i learn some from your opinion

When things go against your ability then yeah people will start babbling.. it's complicated.. it's something you can't afford etc

Then how to deal with this matter? Simply upgrade yourself and there's no more words such complicated or something. It's not that hard to fully understand the whole concept of cryptocurrency, the whole concept of bitcoin!
You'll only feel struggling when you do nothing but wondering that 'this thing is too complicated to understand'

It gets complicated if a newbie would not listen carefully nor tried to understand what they heard or read. A teacher couldn't be good and see the good result of his/her student don't even understand what he/she teaches. Similarly, it gonna be a listener who has a problem or a coach itself.

It was a normal thing that newbie will be puzzled enough of what they've heard, that is why they keep asking but it does not mean that everything they've heard it makes them complicated, it is just them not clearly understand as they are bothered to the negativity and mix emotions.

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?

Just simply talk about custodial and non-custodial wallets and give out some examples and he would do the rest yet it isnt really that much hard to understand if you do really have that common sense.
Even on the most basic example or definition.A human being would able to catch up. 

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?

This is where lots of answers that you can possibly give on thats why i agree on the point that it shouldnt be directly point out on signature campaign.
Start from basic like on faucets even though it isnt really worth for the time anymore but it would be a stepping stone for him to learn.

If a newbie asks what good thing about bitcoin? anonymity?

Just give out the bitcoins whitepaper and just able to to read up that abstract or few sentences then he would completely understand.
No need to spoonfeed or explain it detail by detail because it isnt really hard for someone to understand.

Basically, I agree with some of the points of the author. When I decided to get to know bitcoin better, I was advised to start with free faucets, after which I was drawn into it. I wasn't disappointed, I didn't leave, as some write here. On the contrary, I got a passion, an incentive. I began to look for other methods to earn bitcoin, since I had no money to buy it. But of course I was lucky to have a senior teacher who helped me understand what bitcoin is and what to do with it.

Every veteran way a newbie once, so they can learn more things when they enter into the space.But teaching the complicated things too early can save your time and money so no need to take it as complicating just give enough time to learn the things by giving best of you as much as you can.Finally earning bitcoins though faucets or campaigns is not going to be much and one who want to have bitcoin means they need to buy it.

I just discovered the topic.

I would like to state that OP isn't entirely wrong. I mean, when I was a newbie (in the forum and in bitcoin generally), I needed a guiding hand to show me the road of cryptocurrency. I had really many questions about bitcoin and I continued learning because I was pissed off that I couldn't understand it. There are so many expert members here, but the problem is that you cannot put all that information in a newbie's head. If you search my first topics, you can see that I ask ridiculously stupid questions just because I was obsessed with the idea: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blackhatcoiner-2775483

Anyway, I'm leaving the 6 month memories () and I'm focusing on what you've said.


You see the problem with all these you mentioned isn't that a newbie gets confused on what wallet to use or how to earn his/her first bitcoins. Not even if bitcoin is good or not. The problem, for a newbie, is asking these questions on a huge forum which leads on getting tons of replies. This forum is actually the best on fulfilling someone's questions, because of the signature campaigns. So what makes newbies confused isn't that electrum is more difficult than blockchain.com, but the 10-20 replies he/she gets within a day, that makes him/her not know what to believe.

They already know that. They came here to learn more. They know that it is person-to-person (or peer-to-peer), they know that it is decentralised, they know that Satoshi Nakamoto is the creator that no one knows. But most of them come here everyday to find out the technical stuff behind.

I give an example. Me asking: How fast is the bitcoin network's spread? (something that cannot be answered from googling, at least I couldn't)

If you are new to crypto world, it would be advisable to spend some time to learn about this topic. I dont think that it is nice to blame old users for topics which are common, but you still dont understand them well

Choosing a wallet based on its in built exchange functions is a bad idea. Most wallets with built in exchange functions are custodial, and all of them charge ridiculous prices to make money from their users. Wallets should be picked based on security and transparency, not on exchange partnerships.

But I drive without a seatbelt and I'm not dead yet, so it must be totally safe! (/s)

I also hate the "every wallet has pros and cons" or "every wallet has vulnerabilities" line. Sure, no wallet is 100% secure, but saying the vulnerabilities of my encrypted, airgapped, locked-in-a-safe cold storage are comparable to the vulnerabilities of a web wallet is just downright wrong.

Only one page after my last reply in this thread, i'm compelled to do (yet another) writeup after reading the next couple of replies.

• I repeat, for the x^th time: it's not because YOU used a webwallet and haven't lost funds yet, that it's a good idear to promote these wallets to new members. My father smoked from before i was born (he always told me he started somewhere around age 12), and only stopped when I was way past my 30^th birthday. To this very day he hasn't developed lung cancer (eventough he did have a mild heart attack, but he had other habits that were bad for his circulatory system aswell). Is it OK for him to start telling people that smoking is ok just because he didn't get cancer? No, it is not... I've seen sooooooo many people losing their lifesavings because they trusted web wallets, it is NOT ok to promote them, even if you (personally) haven't lost any funds because of those wallets (yet). Web wallets go against the very core belief of bitcoin: "be your OWN bank", and don't forget: "don't trust, verify". By using a web wallet, you're giving controll of your private keys to a thirth party. They can freeze your account, rob you, pull an exit scam... And their gui is more susceptible to phising and social hacking. Promoting web wallets because they're free is utter nonsense. Plenty of decent desktop wallets are free aswell. A properly generated paper wallet has the cost of a blank sheet of paper. An airgapped setup can be created by booting from a live CD/USB on your "normal" computer, so it has the cost of a blank CD/USB... Sure, we promote hardware wallets, they cost <$100 and they're a good compromise between security and usability. People tend to forget that bitcoin = money, it's OK to tell people to invest <$100 to keep their money safe.
• Yup, bitcoin is about choice. People ARE free to use a webwallet if they really want to... Just like a smoker is free to smoke. Doesn't mean we don't have to give them a warning that smoking causes cancer, circulatory deseases and many more illnesses. Well, webwallets are easily accessible and free... Offcourse, they're not only easily accessible for you, but also for hackers and for the owners of the web wallet (but this part seems to get overlooked quite often)...
• I've seen a senior member advertising to mine bitcoin using a "powerfull computer". Sorry, but that's not how it works anymore... If you want to mine bitcoin you need to invest in an expensive ASIC, you need dirt-cheap electricity, you need a soundproof miningroom with good electric wiring, you need a lot of knowledge, and you need a solid plan. Don't try to mine bitcoin with your computer!
• Pointing newbies to micro-tasks is just wasting their time... They might even leave the crypto community and never return if they see their efforts resulting in nothing in their wallet

As for me, Whenever the newbies ask something about BTC and they want some easy answer about it, I often share with them this link: https://www.weusecoins.com/en/questions/ where I found it to be useful for all of the newbies who want to learn about the basic of BTC. When they asked something that is not on the list, I'm sure the other member will follow up to answer those questions and everyone will be satisfied with the information we provided them.

What you are suggesting is true for old users who want to approach new users, it's just that I have seen a lot of it on this platform where old users always suggest better things and provide solutions for new users who are confused and then create a thread on the forum . I am not really able to approach new users, because I do not have the right or the capability to guide a new user where the risk to the crypto industry is quite large.

Well, Im new to Crypto world myself and I must admit that i got confused with everything here when i first step in. However, reading on the different sections of this forum, especially the beginners and help in Meta section, before exploring can really help us get along the way. I could say that Bitcoin can only be complicated depending on how we adopted and trusted it. I believe that if you have faith that you could earn and get profits with something, you will try your very best to learn more and work hard to get what you are aiming for. Constant research is a must in order to not make everything here in Bitcoin world complicated.

I wonder what is complicated in advising to buy a hardware wallet?  It is so simple, buy a hardware wallet.  There is no hidden password or tech behind that advice.  I am sure once a newbie buys a hardware wallet, there is an instruction on how to use it.

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I believe it is always best to advise them to do their research.  Study, research, and learn the ecosystem of Bitcoin if they wanted to dive into it.  That pretty much covers all the needed information of a newbie if he wanted to join the cryptocurrency industry.

The series of question asked depends on the availability of resources from a newbies side. If a newbie asked which wallet to use, the answer is to look for a locally available wallet before accessing wallets that are internationally available since using internationally available wallets would be rather hard to use since local wallets have an automatic converter to that newbies currency.

Earning Bitcoin can be done in a lot of ways, joining campaigns would earn them Alternate Cryptocurrencies BUT joining campaigns available in the Services section would give them the opportunity to gain Bitcoin weekly.

The good thing about Bitcoin is the adventure that it gives to everyone and newbies can find that out by themselves since that would mean that they are interested.

I'm not familiar with this idea however it has its complex but this is one of the easiest parts over the net

reported again,How many times do we have to report same Hijackers again and again.

Sometimes our Level of Answers as we get along is going deeper that we did not anticipate whoa re we talking .
we did not give attention on what level of understanding they have because for us the important thing is how we can explain our knowledge and for them to adopt.
we cannot blame them because this market is really complicated so if you are not ready for such answers then better get out of here.
we must be aware that this is a risky environment so being bright and fast learner is what we need to succeess here.

If a newbie would ask, might as well tell them to search using google.

A good newbies would not ask to educate them with the basics, that is not wise, before they ask, maybe they need to research first the basics, use different platforms such us google and youtube and then if they have a little confusion, then they can ask here and members will surely help.

What we are trying to do when we advice is to give people enough information to prevent them for getting scam as that usually happen when they only know the basics and not the possible scam activities inside the market. For me, I don't find it bad to give your advice as this is a forum, it's a meeting of minds from different individual, they give suggestion not only based on their knowledge, but also based on their experience which is very vital and usually suggestions are given through a short but specific answers.