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June 03, 2018, 08:51:00 PM
Who decides who those 3 reputable members are? You?

Mutual selection. then if those 3 reputable members lie, people would see and they would lose their reputation if they lie or misjudge.

Bump.
Free service here guys. try my service and let us bring power abusers to the light of justice, let us show the whole community their true faces.
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June 02, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
There is no contradiction, when you give the power for removing the tag or giving the tag to a person it could be easily abused, just like they are all abusing it, they would tag anybody they want and nobody is stopping them. I want to know if this is a sanctioned policy by this forum or not? if this is supported by forum then Bitcoin forum is no more.

Judge and jury are DT2 members here, I am offering to be a lawyer, only one case and that seemed to be a guilty one in my opinion, if you have another idea then you should say it. I believe that at least 3 reputable members need to step in for any case and if they say that a tag is well deserved we should move on, but this is not an acceptable method to use by forum, they would include somebody on DT2 and would give them power over everybody else. When some of the reputable members get involved and vote against a neg trust, DT2 member wouldn't care about their opinions and would keep the tag on.

Who decides who those 3 reputable members are? You? Basically you want your own hand-picked "DT" to override forum's DT.

I believe in consensus voting just like the system we have with Bitcoin, however in the forum we need somebody who is neutral at all times, I'm trying to be that person, I want to have a chance at helping people. I'd want to have a voice that actually matters, after doing a few cases we could establish if I am really neutral or not. but this is just the start of my work and suchmoon tagged me even before I start doing it. I'd call that abuse of power.

You're not neutral at all. You come up with wildest conspiracy theories when you don't like someone or something. You're flat out lying when you don't get your way.

You need to see what I'm saying here, whether I ask for money or doing it for free, what I am doing is the right thing IMHO. look at the results of my work in progress, if I had any power which I don't have unfortunately, we could punish abusers of power as soon as they have abused their power, in time none of the DT members would leave negative trust inaccurately on people. I want to achieve that goal.

If I see that somebody is guilty, I wont take their case, only would give them advice. I'm not a crook lawyer to take the money from criminals and innocents alike.

Do you doubt my judgement? please tell me where do you think I was wrong and let me to provide my reasons, given enough time you'll see that my judgement is sound. don't ask about my own tags because I have provided enough reasons as to why they are not legit in reputation threads.

If there is no room for such a person in this system then I'd suggest that nobody trust anyone here, because cartels would operate this way, they wont allow for justice to be served.

Your perception of the trust system makes you unfit to play any role in it. You keep referring to it as "power", you have expressed ridiculous ideas such as paying for trust removal, you're refusing to use the tools that are already in place, and it appears that you don't even know the basics of how it works.

We really don't need to amend the trust system - flawed as it may be - with the "judgement" of one unstable individual.
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June 01, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost,

Do you not see the contradiction in that? If there is a cost involved in removing the tag then that is a form of bribery irrespective of whether that cost is financial or community service. I think this lack of understanding is the root of all your current problems.

I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

If a lawyer adopted that approach then they would have just appointed themselves as judge and jury as well.


There is no contradiction, when you give the power for removing the tag or giving the tag to a person it could be easily abused, just like they are all abusing it, they would tag anybody they want and nobody is stopping them. I want to know if this is a sanctioned policy by this forum or not? if this is supported by forum then Bitcoin forum is no more.

Judge and jury are DT2 members here, I am offering to be a lawyer, only one case and that seemed to be a guilty one in my opinion, if you have another idea then you should say it. I believe that at least 3 reputable members need to step in for any case and if they say that a tag is well deserved we should move on, but this is not an acceptable method to use by forum, they would include somebody on DT2 and would give them power over everybody else. When some of the reputable members get involved and vote against a neg trust, DT2 member wouldn't care about their opinions and would keep the tag on.

I believe in consensus voting just like the system we have with Bitcoin, however in the forum we need somebody who is neutral at all times, I'm trying to be that person, I want to have a chance at helping people. I'd want to have a voice that actually matters, after doing a few cases we could establish if I am really neutral or not. but this is just the start of my work and suchmoon tagged me even before I start doing it. I'd call that abuse of power.

You need to see what I'm saying here, whether I ask for money or doing it for free, what I am doing is the right thing IMHO. look at the results of my work in progress, if I had any power which I don't have unfortunately, we could punish abusers of power as soon as they have abused their power, in time none of the DT members would leave negative trust inaccurately on people. I want to achieve that goal.

If I see that somebody is guilty, I wont take their case, only would give them advice. I'm not a crook lawyer to take the money from criminals and innocents alike.

Do you doubt my judgement? please tell me where do you think I was wrong and let me to provide my reasons, given enough time you'll see that my judgement is sound. don't ask about my own tags because I have provided enough reasons as to why they are not legit in reputation threads.

If there is no room for such a person in this system then I'd suggest that nobody trust anyone here, because cartels would operate this way, they wont allow for justice to be served.
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June 01, 2018, 04:51:22 AM
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The intricacies of innocence, guilt, due process, verdicts, punishment and the trust system are entirely lost on digaran.
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June 01, 2018, 02:53:00 AM
I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost,

Do you not see the contradiction in that? If there is a cost involved in removing the tag then that is a form of bribery irrespective of whether that cost is financial or community service. I think this lack of understanding is the root of all your current problems.

I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

If a lawyer adopted that approach then they would have just appointed themselves as judge and jury as well.
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May 31, 2018, 02:52:04 PM
#99
Bump. free service here.
I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.
Sorry I never contacted to Lauda or any other person to remove or any help except in this thread. I am not interested to remove my past posts on anyone since they were against related to the thread.
Here I am giving answers and I don't need further help from you since I can't ask someone who did guilty.
1. I didn't insulted but they were against wrong decision.
2. Sorry, I wont do PM
3. Bribe ??
4. Never contacted and enough for me.

Thanks Ill be out from your services.

I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost, whether it to be doing something for the community to make it up or doing something that could change his/her mind. you never said why you think that your tag was illegit. you are just saying that it was without providing any evidence to back your claim.

My post above was an advice to try and rectify the situation, I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.
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May 30, 2018, 11:51:12 PM
#98
Bump. free service here.
I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.
Sorry I never contacted to Lauda or any other person to remove or any help except in this thread. I am not interested to remove my past posts on anyone since they were against related to the thread.
Here I am giving answers and I don't need further help from you since I can't ask someone who did guilty.
1. I didn't insulted but they were against wrong decision.
2. Sorry, I wont do PM
3. Bribe ??
4. Never contacted and enough for me.

Thanks Ill be out from your services.
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May 30, 2018, 02:12:38 AM
#97
so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

This is what we've been asking for about 15 pages of discussion across 3 or 4 threads. We are yet to receive a coherent answer.



1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Your advice is "Don't be rude and ask them nicely"? This is your service? This is what you were trying to charge BTC0.02 for? Wow.

This is what you get for free. Cheesy
legendary
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May 30, 2018, 01:25:20 AM
#96
so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

This is what we've been asking for about 15 pages of discussion across 3 or 4 threads. We are yet to receive a coherent answer.



1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Your advice is "Don't be rude and ask them nicely"? This is your service? This is what you were trying to charge BTC0.02 for? Wow.
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May 29, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
#95
so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?
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May 29, 2018, 09:37:48 PM
#94
what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag?

Not a good choice of words considering the circumstances.

Don't you have a wife or something? man you are trying to fack me with every chance you get. Wink

Did you also tag me for my wrong wording? because I can't see your tags on anybody anymore.
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May 29, 2018, 08:59:39 PM
#93
what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag?

Not a good choice of words considering the circumstances.
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May 29, 2018, 05:02:35 PM
#92
Bump. free service here.
I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.
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May 29, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
#91
Bump. free service here.
I will be your client, let do something for me.
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May 29, 2018, 02:52:02 AM
#90
Bump. free service here.
legendary
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May 22, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
#89
If a judge sentences a lawyer everytime that lawyer is defending somebody, it would render that lawyer's ability to defend people useless, DT2 members here are that judge and they are trying to obstruct justice. they are trying to troll me with their DT power.

You're not a lawyer. This is not a courtroom. You're not sentenced. You have well-deserved warnings on your feedback page that document certain facts about your behavior. If you don't like that - look in the mirror. Feedback is based on your own actions and your own words.

You can still proceed with your service. What is stopping you?

No I want you to take back the scammed money by tricking them. easy. you'd take their money first and remove your tag on them, after the first post by them you could tag them immediately and ask for a larger amount of fine. keep doing that and take back the scammed money. never give a actual free pass to scammers though.

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May 22, 2018, 08:25:48 PM
#88
How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me?
Whether he did or he didn't, it doesn't change your feedback.

you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions.
?

but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.
So you want scammers to be able to scam again? You could say this is a strawman but you would still have to consider the consequence of allowing scammers to have a way of removing their red tag.

No I want you to take back the scammed money by tricking them. easy. you'd take their money first and remove your tag on them, after the first post by them you could tag them immediately and ask for a larger amount of fine. keep doing that and take back the scammed money. never give a actual free pass to scammers though.
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May 22, 2018, 07:32:57 PM
#87
Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default? Huh
What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.
I'll pardon the language, but I won't pardon you putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

I never stated that you should always agree with DT members. I frequently don't. All I asked was for you to clarify how my definition of "Red Trust == Person X does not trust Person Y for #reasons" is, in your opinion, "wrong"? And, secondly, define what you mean by "being called a scammer by default".

I have stated what my interpretation of "Red Trust" is... am I correct that yours is simply "Red Trust == scammer"? Huh

But if I could only have a free pass and not get tagged is by agreeing with DT members, that is slavery. and yes I should scam somebody to get tagged red.

You can't point to a single scam attempt by me. tagging me red for everybody to see is wrong if I haven't scammed anybody. tagging people just because you don't trust them is fine as long as you are not a DT member.

How could you do that defending and acting as our lawyer when you yourself did not knew how to remove your own red tag you earned by harrassing and intimidating DT members, i think you should clean yourself first before making such statement.

@HCP, see what I'm talking about? people now are asking me why do I have a red trust if I can't remove my own tags, why would anybody take me serious and use my service? so DT members tagged me to say that I can't even remove my own red tags. that is trolling.

If a judge sentences a lawyer everytime that lawyer is defending somebody, it would render that lawyer's ability to defend people useless, DT2 members here are that judge and they are trying to obstruct justice. they are trying to troll me with their DT power.

Nobody tagged me before I started this thread. why? I was telling the same things before, they didn't tag me then. because they want me to be their little bitch. here digaran: be our little bitch or we'll tag your sorry ass because we don't trust you since you are not our little bitch. I'm not a little bitch. I will expose their sorry little asses one by one. I'm just getting started. I will start soon by questioning even theymos himself. don't get me wrong, I have no power here. I just hate hypocrites and corruption. if theymos is willing to close his eyes to abuse of power of his little slaves just to have them at their current position= keep being his slaves, this is wrong and unfair to me. I will not stand it. if he wants me to shut up, the only way is by banning me. then we'll know where he stands, we'll know if he is also a hypocrite or not.

I will question anybody as long as it is within reason. if I'm stopped by them, we'll know they are not reasonable people and they don't deserve our love and respect. if I say that theymos is indifferent to everything that happens here and I get banned, we'll know that he is also abusing his power, he shouldn't do that. I want a fair system for everybody to coexist peacefully without fighting all the time.

People keep tagging each other just because they feel it that way, is wrong. it will never end and all it can cause is more hatred and more fighting. I refuse to bend to the wills of a selected group of rich people. I have dignity and integrity. this is me. now tag me all you want.

HCP
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May 21, 2018, 11:01:44 PM
#86
Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default? Huh
What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.
I'll pardon the language, but I won't pardon you putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

I never stated that you should always agree with DT members. I frequently don't. All I asked was for you to clarify how my definition of "Red Trust == Person X does not trust Person Y for #reasons" is, in your opinion, "wrong"? And, secondly, define what you mean by "being called a scammer by default".

I have stated what my interpretation of "Red Trust" is... am I correct that yours is simply "Red Trust == scammer"? Huh
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May 21, 2018, 10:58:14 PM
#85
How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me?
Whether he did or he didn't, it doesn't change your feedback.

you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions.
?

but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.
So you want scammers to be able to scam again? You could say this is a strawman but you would still have to consider the consequence of allowing scammers to have a way of removing their red tag.
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