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wachtwoord

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Of course you re free to say whatever you want. It's just that you are acting like it's morally objectable what these guys are doing and you are th saviour of the people. I read the contract and did not invest because a PPT.DIV was not ashare at all but only ownership of future earnings (so no assets). At the price they were trading I did not consider that a ood price while others did.

Same goes for PPT.X they clearly specified the insurence definition. You don't like it and don't want to pay for it? Great, then don't. But don't pretend they are committing a crime as this is NOT and I repeat NOT a socalistic or communistic state (thankfully). If you would like to residein such an environment there are plenty of oppurtunities for you to do so outside of Bitcoin while the Bitcoin environment is the only environment for us free market advocates. It would be great if you stopped harrassing us.

No-one needs nor wants you to come and save the day

piotr_n

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Quote from: EskimoBob on July 06, 2012, 12:41:43 PM

Sorry my little angry russian friend, I did not know that blue color makes you dizzy and simple geometrical object, like a circle, confuses you. Is it OK, if I use squares next time? Actually, this was a rhetorical question. LOL! (it means, I do not care!)

And BTW, can we please get back to the topic now? Something about Pirate Pass Through Bonds, if I remember correctly.

It's actually Polish.
And we were at the topic - just before you started smearing it with your nonsense.

EskimoBob

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 12:11:28 PM

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Sorry - I only take advises from people who seem smarter than me.

Little angry Piotr, why is it that you keep telling everyone how smart you are... you little arrogant and insecure Russian turd. Kiss

Your superb intellect is not obvious, for some odd reason. I wonder why? Actually, I do not! LOL

Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 09:05:27 AM

Listen, genius. If you want to tell me something, then try expressing it in a away that I'd be able to understand.

Sorry my little angry russian friend, I did not know that blue color makes you dizzy and simple geometrical object, like a circle, confuses you. Is it OK, if I use squares next time? Actually, this was a rhetorical question. LOL! (it means, I do not care!)

And BTW, can we please get back to the topic now? Something about Pirate Pass Through Bonds, if I remember correctly.

piotr_n

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Quote from: wachtwoord on July 06, 2012, 12:29:02 PM

I have 2 words for you: Free Market

Then I also have 2 words for you: Free Speech

You use Free Market to scam people - I use Free Speech to help them out of it.
I think it's a fair play

wachtwoord

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I have 2 words for you: Free Market

piotr_n

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Like it or not, talking is all I need to broadcast my message.
And the message is: there is no reason for the PPT bonds to have an extra low interests, since the "insurance" is just an illusion.
So cut off the crap.

stochastic

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 12:11:28 PM

Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 12:08:37 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 11:56:37 AM

Am I the only one left that stops listening to an argument once foul language is used?

Do you think that I care?
All I'm giving you is the truth; whether you like it, believe it, or not - it's not my problem, not at all.

And BTW, I'm waiting for the first person to say: thanks for opening my eyes.
Some of you will eventually finally get it

My mom would tell me that talk does not cook rice, and I would add that talking like you are gutter trash will make even less people listen to you and see you as a troll. If you want respect and people to thank you for opening their eyes, the start an asset that shorts PPT.DIV shares.

Sorry - I only take advises from people who seem smarter than me.
So maybe you could ask your mom about this and forward me her message...?

Still a lot of talk, but at least your mouth is not as dirty.

piotr_n

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Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 12:08:37 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 11:56:37 AM

Am I the only one left that stops listening to an argument once foul language is used?

Do you think that I care?
All I'm giving you is the truth; whether you like it, believe it, or not - it's not my problem, not at all.

And BTW, I'm waiting for the first person to say: thanks for opening my eyes.
Some of you will eventually finally get it

My mom would tell me that talk does not cook rice, and I would add that talking like you are gutter trash will make even less people listen to you and see you as a troll. If you want respect and people to thank you for opening their eyes, the start an asset that shorts PPT.DIV shares.

Sorry - I only take advises from people who seem smarter than me.
So maybe you could ask your mom about this and forward me her message...?

stochastic

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 11:56:37 AM

Am I the only one left that stops listening to an argument once foul language is used?

Do you think that I care?
All I'm giving you is the truth; whether you like it, believe it, or not - it's not my problem, not at all.

And BTW, I'm waiting for the first person to say: thanks for opening my eyes.
Some of you will eventually finally get it

My mom would tell me that talk does not cook rice, and I would add that talking like you are gutter trash will make even less people listen to you and see you as a troll. If you want respect and people to thank you for opening their eyes, the start an asset that shorts PPT.DIV shares.

piotr_n

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aka tonikt

Quote from: stochastic on July 06, 2012, 11:56:37 AM

Am I the only one left that stops listening to an argument once foul language is used?

Do you think that I care?
All I'm giving you is the truth; whether you like it, believe it, or not - it's not my problem, not at all.

And BTW, I'm waiting for the first person to say: thanks for opening my eyes.
Some of you will eventually finally get it

stochastic

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 09:05:27 AM

Quote from: EskimoBob on July 06, 2012, 08:33:38 AM

Do I feel like reading your hysterical bullshit? No.

...then just fuck off...

Am I the only one left that stops listening to an argument once foul language is used?

piotr_n

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Quote from: EskimoBob on July 06, 2012, 08:33:38 AM

Do I feel like reading your hysterical bullshit? No.

And because you like charts, let me use this one. NB! Make sure you do not blink your eyes while studding it...

We don't want you to miss valuable information now. Do we?

Listen, genius. If you want to tell me something, then try expressing it in a away that I'd be able to understand.
And as far as I understand English, I do not understand your trollish-moronish dialect, even when explained with pictures.

In other words, if you want to have a real conversion with me, I'm afraid you will need to keep up to my level.
And otherwise, if you only want to keep playing a clown, then just fuck off, since I have no interest in leaning down towards your stupidity.

EskimoBob

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 08:06:48 AM

Quote from: EskimoBob on July 06, 2012, 08:03:21 AM

Did you say chart? Yes, please!

I already managed to explain it without a chart, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--81637
If anything is still unclear to you, please let me know, though I did my best to make it understandable even for the biggest morons, so you should get it.

I guess it takes one to know one Wink

Do I feel like reading your hysterical bullshit? No.

And because you like charts, let me use this one. NB! Make sure you do not blink your eyes while studding it...

We don't want you to miss valuable information now. Do we?

piotr_n

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Quote from: EskimoBob on July 06, 2012, 08:03:21 AM

Did you say chart? Yes, please!

I already managed to explain it without a chart, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--81637
If anything is still unclear to you, please let me know, though I did my best to make it understandable even for the biggest morons, so you should get it.

EskimoBob

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Quote from: piotr_n on July 06, 2012, 03:44:58 AM

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Do you want me to draw a chart for you?
I mean, if you still don't understand how your legendary "free insurance" is just a smart lie...

Did you say chart? Yes, please! Before you get all artsi on your charts, please read those e-mails for inspiration: http://27bslash6.com/p2p2.html

Especially if you feel like the one bending over:

piotr_n

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on July 05, 2012, 10:16:09 PM

Due to people like piotr_n I'm an angry Starfish and tired of the ignorant bullshit that people like this spout. Anyway, I'm doing something about it fyi.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1012031

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In response to some sensible questions from PPT.DIV holders, and some quite stupid and ill informed comments by some others...

Are you saying publicly that my comment was stupid and ill informed?

OK... I was going to shut up, as PPT-PR asked, but since you've just asked so much kinder, now I won't be quiet.

So let's make it clear one more time.

First of all, since when is telling people a truth, which they (obviously) don't realize, considered as a "quite stupid and ill informed comment"?

Second, if anyone is stupid and ill informed here, then only the people who believe that you guys (the mighty PPT share-holders) insure anything for them.

So don't insult me because my motives, unlike yours, are pure and my conclusions are impregnable.
I am not the one who tricks people into believing that you provide some "free insurance" for the cycling PPT bonds.
I am the one who just says the truth: the free insurance is only an illusion and the "insurer" does not hold any risk here.
In reality it is your own BS&T deposit that gets 100% insurance from the bond buyers, and not the other way around - if you are denying this, then you are just nothing but a cheeky crook.

Do you want me to draw a chart for you?
I mean, if you still don't understand how your legendary "free insurance" is just a smart lie...

cedus

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Quote from: Otoh on July 05, 2012, 08:15:38 AM

@cedus, it's .32 BTC insurance I believe

Yes, it is. But there are people (read the .DIV thread) who have been buying .DIV thinking they are entitled to BTCs in the insurance fund (3840/9000) if PPT business were to shut down without Pirate's default. And I was wondering why the .DIV is trading so high. It makes perfect sense to me now. Grin

Quote from: Otoh on July 05, 2012, 08:15:38 AM

last week just 3 bonds would have sold if the minimum had been 1.04 or 1/1000 of the issue, the maximum interest is now then 24% or 6% per week which with funds insured for 32% gives 8.825% interest per week on funds that are actually at risk which is more than can be found anywhere else even direct from pirate on max interest, in fact a bid of 1.09 still would give a 7% per week return on funds at risk so not shabby at all, I wouldn't be too quick in writing off these offerings - ppl have basically been getting free insurance recently but when factored in this new minimum bid price is extremely fair imo

Don't know where you got those numbers (I think right ones are slightly smaller), but I basically agree with your reasoning. I want to emphasize that I'm highly sceptical with the next auction, and the next auction only. After that PPT begins to weekly regain its competitive advantage.

PatrickHarnett

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Due to people like piotr_n I'm an angry Starfish and tired of the ignorant bullshit that people like this spout. Anyway, I'm doing something about it fyi.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1012031

MrTeal

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Has Pirate disclosed to you what the tiers will be for the new trust account interest rates?

piotr_n

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Quote from: Otoh on July 05, 2012, 08:15:38 AM

ppl have basically been getting free insurance recently but when factored in this new minimum bid price is extremely fair imo

free insurance? Shocked

yeah. sure

the five "rotating" PPT.x bonds are all about an illusion of a free insurance.
but let's be honest and let's finally say it: there is no real insurance on stake here, since the insurance "covers" only 1/4 of a potential lose, while requiring investors to be exposed to the risk 4 times longer!
it's just a smart play, without any risk for the bond issuer / insurer

so since the insurance is only an illusion, I don't see any reason why an illusion cannot be free.
and moreover, even if they sell all the bonds at 1.00, they still make profit, because they can compound weekly interests, which effectively gives over 31% after 4 weeks.

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