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Quote from: MrTeal on June 15, 2012, 10:24:32 PM

Quote from: brendio on June 15, 2012, 09:23:06 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on June 15, 2012, 07:16:04 PM

Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?

It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.

So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.

Lowering the bonds being released by half does not instill confidence.

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Quote from: brendio on June 15, 2012, 09:23:06 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on June 15, 2012, 07:16:04 PM

Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?

It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

Thanks, I'll have to make a note of it for next week.

So, unless I counted wrong the average sale price here was 1.033BTC, which is the lowest it's ever been. At that price, PPT is a steal unless you're positive Pirate won't default. 1.28/1.033 is a 24% 4 week return, even if you buy one of the uninsured Pirate pass through bonds you'd only make 26.7% 4 week return. If you can invest the weekly dividends with no inefficiency, you could increase that to 29.5%. Getting perfect efficiency reinvesting would require placing a buy order between getting the dividends and Goat buying down to 1.02 for TYGRR-P, or purchasing the 100 shares at 1.05 that bitfoo places every week after his dividend.

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Quote from: MrTeal on June 15, 2012, 07:16:04 PM

Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?

It's a known bug. Nef has to correct it manually.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on June 15, 2012, 09:10:04 PM

That was weird - punched the button right on 2:00 and it threw an error at me (insufficient assets??). Went back and repeated and it went through, although later than anticipated.

I doubt an API/bot would have picked that up.

Well now you know to build an automatic retry feature into any bot you build. Grin

Just be careful, cause if you oversell, I'll be jumping on those extra shares.

I didn't remember to put some spare funds into GLBSE so missed out this time, really sad.

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That was weird - punched the button right on 2:00 and it threw an error at me (insufficient assets??). Went back and repeated and it went through, although later than anticipated.

I doubt an API/bot would have picked that up.

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Quote from: MrTeal on June 14, 2012, 05:58:44 PM

I'm going to make a wild guess here and predict an ASP of 1.07.

Wow, was that ever wrong. Tongue

There was a total over 1 share sold at 1.07 and that was the highest.

Sold down to 1.011 and I didn't get to buy due to GLBSE bugs. Boo-urns

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Gah, I had a buy order for PPT.E that disappeared when the dividend happened, and now the BTC is still listed as unavailable in my account. Does anyone know to fix that without opening a support ticket?

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Reading threads instead of "subbing" them helps...! Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.959643

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Quote from: GeoRW on June 15, 2012, 12:33:52 AM

Quote from: Sukrim on June 14, 2012, 05:20:14 PM

I think he knows and I think he's swamped in work + support questions atm. Hopefully he finds some time to do some development work on GLBSE, the recent API for outstanding shares was a great start!

How can I get the number of outstanding shares through GLBSE API. Cannot find it. Or is it not live yet?

yea I don't think I came across this yet. The way I got outstanding shares or my dividend tables was through the dividend API. It lists how many shares were paid, but it is not an up-to-date on the outstanding shares.

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Quote from: Sukrim on June 14, 2012, 05:20:14 PM

I think he knows and I think he's swamped in work + support questions atm. Hopefully he finds some time to do some development work on GLBSE, the recent API for outstanding shares was a great start!

How can I get the number of outstanding shares through GLBSE API. Cannot find it. Or is it not live yet?

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Quote from: stochastic on June 14, 2012, 05:40:22 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:34:35 PM

Quote from: stochastic on June 14, 2012, 05:27:53 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:21:25 PM

...It'd be nice if after x time, trading was locked so even if his script take 30 seconds to execute, someone's not slipping another order in.

That does not sound good. Single bonds are being auctioned off starting at a certain time. If I came into the room and offerred more than the next person, then by auction rules I am entitled to receive that bond.

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant. Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway? Right?

The point of having it scripted is that if PPT.A is to start selling at 01:00:00, for example, then it should start selling at 01:00:00. The process it takes to finish the selling is a whole other topic. Otherwise you are allowing bids and the auction to be done before 01:00:00 and then ending the auction at 01:00:00.

Just for information and point of comparison, the ASX (not sure about other stock exchanges) purposely program in a random offest either side of the schedule start of trading. Not sure whether it is to reduce sniping. Just noting that established exchanges are not accurate to the second with their opening price auctions.

Quote from: http://www.asx.com.au/products/ASX-Trading%20hours-Market-phases.htm

The time is randomly generated by ASX Trade and occurs up to 15 seconds on either side of the times given above, e.g. group 1 may open at any time between 9:59:45 am and 10:00:15 am.

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Quote from: The00Dustin on June 14, 2012, 05:40:12 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:34:35 PM

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant. Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway? Right?

I'm not sure why people are sweating the seconds, the only way the seconds can be dealt with is at the server. I'm also not sure why everyone is suddenly assuming that you can get a buy order in while the sale is processing. One sale order is entered and it is then processed, who is to say the server isn't processing it completely before trying to process the next buy order? I could see it working either way, but I thought someone posted about placing a buy order that didn't get filled even though orders lower than it got filled after it was placed. This would have been several weeks ago, and I haven't been able to find it, but I have seen even less to indicate the opposite. Regardless, if the opposite was true, then a human hitting the button 5 seconds early would be fine.

I think you are right - thats my observation as well.
Placing a buy order while a sell is being processed only adds it at the end ot the queue. Though, cancel seem to have some bigger priority.
There is obviously some kind of transaction processing queue and you cannot jump in the middle while the sell 3k is being slowly executed. Very slowly, BTW.
That's my experience - that's why when I got up last Saturday I didn't have any PPT bonds, only an open buy order with the price that should have been bought - obviously my price adjusting bot was waking up too often - and before repricing your offer, you first need to cancel the current one. And this is why I'm not going to play like this anymore

But the fact is that you cannot sell 3k bonds on GLBSE within one second - from what I saw, it takes at least 20 seconds. So why bother with your own 1 or 10 seconds lags? Who cares?

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There should be a place to gamble on the average, low, etc. - yes I know there is. Interesting bets.

Isn't that GLBSE/PPT.D?

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It's going to be interesting to see what kind of average selling price we'll see on tomorrow's auction. There's going to be 7680 shares payed out and only 3000 up for auction, so it might push prices higher than the last couple auctions. There's good prices on other PPT issues though, so that might help absorb some demand. There's 800 shares of PPT.C at or below 1.11 right now, and 1.28/1.11 is a 15.3% return for 3 weeks. That's basically the same weekly return as a PPT.D selling for 1.06. I actually snagged a few shares of PPT.A overnight for 1.16, which is a 10.3% return for over 9 days. Both PPT.A and PPT.C are really undervalued right now, IMO. The last sale price of PPT.A is only 0.01BTC more than PPT.B. Tongue

I'm going to make a wild guess here and predict an ASP of 1.07.

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Quote from: piotr_n on June 14, 2012, 05:31:40 PM

I'm pretty sure rasberryPi does have curl on board by default.
though I've never put my hand on one so far, so cannot confirm

Well, I've loaded a Debian install on it (so I get to play with that too), and after I pick up a spare HDMI cable, playing with it should fill in time until I hit the sell button.

Could be an interesting week as there will be 7680 BTC paid out prior to the PPT.D auction.

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Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:34:35 PM

Quote from: stochastic on June 14, 2012, 05:27:53 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:21:25 PM

...It'd be nice if after x time, trading was locked so even if his script take 30 seconds to execute, someone's not slipping another order in.

That does not sound good. Single bonds are being auctioned off starting at a certain time. If I came into the room and offerred more than the next person, then by auction rules I am entitled to receive that bond.

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant. Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway? Right?

The point of having it scripted is that if PPT.A is to start selling at 01:00:00, for example, then it should start selling at 01:00:00. The process it takes to finish the selling is a whole other topic. Otherwise you are allowing bids and the auction to be done before 01:00:00 and then ending the auction at 01:00:00.

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Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:34:35 PM

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant. Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway? Right?

I'm not sure why people are sweating the seconds, the only way the seconds can be dealt with is at the server. I'm also not sure why everyone is suddenly assuming that you can get a buy order in while the sale is processing. One sale order is entered and it is then processed, who is to say the server isn't processing it completely before trying to process the next buy order? I could see it working either way, but I thought someone posted about placing a buy order that didn't get filled even though orders lower than it got filled after it was placed. This would have been several weeks ago, and I haven't been able to find it, but I have seen even less to indicate the opposite. Regardless, if the opposite was true, then a human hitting the button 5 seconds early would be fine.

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Quote from: stochastic on June 14, 2012, 05:27:53 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on June 14, 2012, 05:21:25 PM

...It'd be nice if after x time, trading was locked so even if his script take 30 seconds to execute, someone's not slipping another order in.

That does not sound good. Single bonds are being auctioned off starting at a certain time. If I came into the room and offerred more than the next person, then by auction rules I am entitled to receive that bond.

Perhaps, but the whole point of having it scripted is that it happens near instant. Taking 20 seconds means that even if the process to script it is automated, people can still game it... which then leads to why so much pressure to script the start if its just going to be gamed anyway? Right?

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on June 14, 2012, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: Sukrim on June 14, 2012, 05:20:14 PM

I bet my GLBSE bot is more precise than anyone pushing buttons...

oh, but then there wouldn't be that lovely stochastic process involved - a bit of chaos is good for those precise bots

I think, back on topic, UTC 2:00:ish tomorrow there will be 3000 bonds placed as a sell order by a human. The contract says the sale takes place at 2, but does not specify a time precision.

(having a nice scheduled batch file or process might be good to play with - maybe I'll get my rasberryPi to do it)

I'm pretty sure rasberryPi does have curl on board by default.
though I've never put my hand on one so far, so cannot confirm

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Quote from: Sukrim on June 14, 2012, 05:20:14 PM

I bet my GLBSE bot is more precise than anyone pushing buttons...

oh, but then there wouldn't be that lovely stochastic process involved - a bit of chaos is good for those precise bots

I think, back on topic, UTC 2:00:ish tomorrow there will be 3000 bonds placed as a sell order by a human. The contract says the sale takes place at 2, but does not specify a time precision.

(having a nice scheduled batch file or process might be good to play with - maybe I'll get my rasberryPi to do it)

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