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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 06, 2016, 09:07:14 PM

Quote from: Gogo ppp on July 06, 2016, 03:31:00 PM

The situation does demonstrate why Directbet tried so hard to get hungerstyle's true identity.

If hungerstyle hadn't submitted an altered ID, Directbet could now ask rangernation for proof of identity and if they are correct prove he is hungerstyle.
[Granted if they are correct, rangernation (hungerstyle) could also attempt to offer fake id, but it would or might help to make their case if they had real ID of hungerstyle].

It's literally impossible for DirectBet to obtain the identity of an anonymous user and know with 100% certainty it's person who placed the bet.

I hate the fact that this guy is obv guilty but he should be paid anyway.

DirectBet has 3 options:

Pay all double spend scammers and never seize funds of innocent players.

Seize scammers funds and possibly innocent users funds on occasion.

Fix their exploitable sportsbook.

Im not sure how I can be guilty. My transaction was sent with the normal fee for every transaction, .0001

They just slapped some bs and refuse to speak. They haven't emailed, responded, or acknowledged in their thread.

Pretty clear cut to me what directbet really is judging by all the other users posted problems. They probably just pull that shit and 9/10 people let it slide and they factor it in or get away with it. Worst case they just get their free week loan. Pretty much the definition of kiting/loaning. Anyone can go to https://blockchain.info/double-spends and pull a list and slap it on.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 06, 2016, 09:38:38 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on July 06, 2016, 09:10:34 PM

You've warned DirectBet a few times about their vulnerability and that haven't made any changes yet.

It makes it even more frustrating to see Betcoin consistently ranked high despite mountains of evidence proving how unethical they are.

And no, just because their biggest scandals have involved stealing from/fucking those who play poker or casino games and this thread is for sports bettors is no excuse to look the other way.

It's like a parent hiring a criminal who has been convicted of kidnapping little girls to babysit their son. He hasn't kidnapped any little boys though, right?

I've read many of your posts on poker and casinos. You've given great insight. I don't understand enough about casinos and poker rooms to come to any conclusions.

This thread only pertains to sportsbooks and it was stated at the beginning.

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Quote from: Rating Place on July 06, 2016, 09:10:34 PM

You've warned DirectBet a few times about their vulnerability and that haven't made any changes yet.

It makes it even more frustrating to see Betcoin consistently ranked high despite mountains of evidence proving how unethical they are.

And no, just because their biggest scandals have involved stealing from/fucking those who play poker or casino games and this thread is for sports bettors is no excuse to look the other way.

It's like a parent hiring a criminal who has been convicted of kidnapping little girls to babysit their son. He hasn't kidnapped any little boys though, right?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 06, 2016, 09:07:14 PM

Quote from: Gogo ppp on July 06, 2016, 03:31:00 PM

The situation does demonstrate why Directbet tried so hard to get hungerstyle's true identity.

If hungerstyle hadn't submitted an altered ID, Directbet could now ask rangernation for proof of identity and if they are correct prove he is hungerstyle.
[Granted if they are correct, rangernation (hungerstyle) could also attempt to offer fake id, but it would or might help to make their case if they had real ID of hungerstyle].

It's literally impossible for DirectBet to obtain the identity of an anonymous user and know with 100% certainty it's person who placed the bet.

I hate the fact that this guy is obv guilty but he should be paid anyway.

DirectBet has 3 options:

Pay all double spend scammers and never seize funds of innocent players.

Seize scammers funds and possibly innocent users funds on occasion.

Fix their exploitable sportsbook.

You've warned DirectBet a few times about their vulnerability and they haven't made any changes yet.

TwitchySeal

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Quote from: Gogo ppp on July 06, 2016, 03:31:00 PM

The situation does demonstrate why Directbet tried so hard to get hungerstyle's true identity.

If hungerstyle hadn't submitted an altered ID, Directbet could now ask rangernation for proof of identity and if they are correct prove he is hungerstyle.
[Granted if they are correct, rangernation (hungerstyle) could also attempt to offer fake id, but it would or might help to make their case if they had real ID of hungerstyle].

It's literally impossible for DirectBet to obtain the identity of an anonymous user and know with 100% certainty it's person who placed the bet.

I hate the fact that this guy is obv guilty but he should be paid anyway.

DirectBet has 3 options:

Pay all double spend scammers and never seize funds of innocent players.

Seize scammers funds and possibly innocent users funds on occasion.

Fix their exploitable sportsbook.

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i think cloudbet must be A+ because of good servicie and fast withdraw/dep.

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To clarify the parlay wager. The bet was confirmed at odds of 3.32 with a result of won as shown on the ticket.

The player made the bet at best available odds on receipt and DirectBet gave the player confirmed odds: 3.32.

DirectBet refused to pay out the winnings.

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DirectBet lowered to "D-"

Player placed a 3 team parlay bet of 50 ETH at odds of 3.32. The bet was placed approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes prior to the start of the first game. After no confirmations, the player sent an email to DirectBet approximately 1 hour prior to the start of the first game.

After the first 2 games of the parlay won and the third game was winning, DirectBet sent an email stating that the bet would be refunded.

The ticket shows that the bet was confirmed at odds of 3.32.

There is a second case where ragernation placed a bet of 9.049 BTC. The bet was rejected by DirectBet. DirectBet did not refund the 9.049 BTC to ragernation. DirectBet claimed that ragernation made another bet with a double spend and they have the right to confiscate 9.049 BTC. ragernation denies making the second bet and DirectBet has no evidence showing that ragernation did indeed make the second bet.

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The situation does demonstrate why Directbet tried so hard to get hungerstyle's true identity.

If hungerstyle hadn't submitted an altered ID, Directbet could now ask rangernation for proof of identity and if they are correct prove he is hungerstyle.
[Granted if they are correct, rangernation (hungerstyle) could also attempt to offer fake id, but it would or might help to make their case if they had real ID of hungerstyle].

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whoa!

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RobinH explaining the rangernation case where a deposit was confiscated.

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This is how I understand it.....

directbet.eu rejected a bet because of low fees, then confisticated the wager instead of refunding it. Bet details:
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

They are claiming ragernation is responsible for a successful double spend bet on their platform. Bet details; https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

So they are keeping the wager from the rejected bet as part payment for the double-spend bet.

ragernation is denying any knowledge of the double-spend bet. And is demanding a refund from directbet.eu and rightly so, if he/she has nothing to do with the double spend bet in question.

directbet.eu are also claiming that ragernation and hungerstyle are one and the same. An accusation ragernation vehemently denies, albeit incoherently.

If directbet.eu has sufficient proof that hungerstyle and ragernation is the same person, and is responsible for the double-spend. Then they are within their rights to keep the funds. Otherwise they should refund ragernation immediately.

I hate to say I told you so directbet.eu, but this will keep happening until you fix your exploitable book.

9.049 BTC deposit confiscated.

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DirectBet is temporarily taken off the rating's guide.

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July 5. RealPhotoshoper

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i experience same thing too when bet using ethereum here at directbet.
sometimes it takes so long time to get confirmed and sometimes too it is rejected or refunded because the event i selected was suspended.
it is maybe make him concern as he bet big amount and sure i will worry too if i am in his position , i wish you directbet can fix & improve this very soon.

robinH

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Not defending directbet.eu , but I know for a fact that all bets not confirmed before an event starts are rejected automatically. And the bettor also has the option of rejecting the bet at any point before it confirms. That said if directbet.eu did not reject the bet before the events started, they are liable to a degree and should offer Kosovar better compensation.

rangernation

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Atleast you got your money back when their system bugged out.

Mine bugged out and they didnt return it, respond to emails, even acknowlege PMs or their thread....going on about 1 week

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15481387
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15435255

It seems that this is common

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15374591

I would say based on the posts here Directbet has some serious issues.

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I don't think that a bet can ever be held in limbo. It should be accepted or rejected prior to the start of the game. All other books do this.

If the bet had lost, there's no guarantee that the bet would have been refunded.

The same problem happened many times in the past with DirectBet using bitcoins. Are there any cases where the bet was refunded in a situation where the bet lost?

The first two legs of a 3 team parlay won prior to the bet being rejected.

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It sucks, but at least both confirmed bets won and you received your winnings. If they lost, you would be glad the wallet messed up and saved you 50 ETH.The bet never confirmed, so a payout can't be made.

This happens a lot of times in other forms, books suspending play, just as you are about to place bets. Or in some cases, the entire event disappears completely, only to reappear later at different odds (I am looking @ you directbet.eu). Sometimes the result goes for you, other times against.

However, directbet.eu should ensure things like this don't happen. And the free bet they offered as compensation could be better.

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Quote from: KoSoVaR on July 05, 2016, 12:22:03 PM

I'm biased negatively towards DirectBet because of multiple bad experiences. Their customer service (responses) have been professional, thought out, and overall good. However, I feel cheated and in a "lose lose" situation when I bet on their book. If I bet 50 ETH and I send an e-mail about the 50 ETH staying in their wallet for 4 hours (requiring manual intervention on their end) and not confirming my bet, all I ask is for a TIMELY response back. I think 4 hours to respond is not reasonable. Especially when I'm over 2500 ETH put in play in July alone. Oh, and then there's the fact that my 3:1 parlay won and didn't get paid out.

I've used Nitrogen and I've had great experiences so far. The only reason I'm using DirectBet is because of ETH, but I'm sure that will change soon.

Any opinions on this case?

KoSoVar made a 50 ETH 3 team parlay bet with DirectBet. After two games won, DB canceled the wager.

KoSoVar sent an email 1 hour prior to the first game. DB didn't reply until 4 hours later.

copy of wager https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x308f5c30f06f8c0860f89980c7fbbc8ac6b27ea6

KoSoVaR

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I'm biased negatively towards DirectBet because of multiple bad experiences. Their customer service (responses) have been professional, thought out, and overall good. However, I feel cheated and in a "lose lose" situation when I bet on their book. If I bet 50 ETH and I send an e-mail about the 50 ETH staying in their wallet for 4 hours (requiring manual intervention on their end) and not confirming my bet, all I ask is for a TIMELY response back. I think 4 hours to respond is not reasonable. Especially when I'm over 2500 ETH put in play in July alone. Oh, and then there's the fact that my 3:1 parlay won and didn't get paid out.

I've used Nitrogen and I've had great experiences so far. The only reason I'm using DirectBet is because of ETH, but I'm sure that will change soon.

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