Topic: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Scam Accus - page 115. (Read 260326 times)

Cloudbet is the best!!! but support is slow



Nitrogen support is the best,  but just ok book.

Correct Directbet free roll and not send agreement.

@directbet, what do we need to make send btc back?

That was to win 4.48 BTC.

Odds were 1.07.

You were already called out on the linked thread. On some days that thread got 500 views and on other days 6 views. It seems that DirectBet would view that thread over and over again to increase views making it seem more credible. Then they would post a link to it in many other threads.

DirectBet has also been called out for using ghost accounts to get a better rating in the polls.

Hey TwitchySeal,

 way things work @ directbet.eu,  they were never at risk of a double spend in the 1st place. This is an illusion they created in desperation to keep the 38btc.

The way it works on their website is; you make a selection, place a bet, then an address is generated for payment. At this stage your bet is yet to confirm.You then send funds to the designated btc address.

After sending funds to their address a txid is generated, and your bet confirms. The bet status then changes from pending to "confirmed" or "negotiate". It all depends on if your bet matches your preferred odds.

But what members/users need to understand is that, the confirmed bet status is nothing more than a promisory note.

The confirmation page displays;
a) The amount received by directbet.eu (amount sent)
b) Bitcoin transaction ID
c) Confirmed odds
d) Bet Status - Confirmed or Negotiate odds
e) Potential winnings if the bet wins.

(Apologies,  as It seems I cannot post images yet.)

When a bet confirms on directbet.eu, what it really means is that your bet is confirmed subject to @ least one confirmation on the blockchain.

Without a blockchain confirmation, your bet is not really "confirmed" with directbet.eu . What it does is validate the odds, amount (if and when it arrives), your winnings (if you win) and the txid.

If your bet wins, directbet.eu would  grade only when confirmation arrives. No exceptions and no matter how long it takes. No blockchain confirmation(s), no payouts. Simples.

Correct me if I am wrong but my limited blockchain knowledge tells me that if there is a double spend only one of the two transactions could possibly confirm?

So your assertion, that directbet.eu confirming bets is akin to giving lines of credit to anonymous players is wrong.

If a player double spends (assuming payment never arrives @ directbet.eu) and their bet loses, good for them. But If their bet wins they lose out on their winnings. Simple as that.

Directbet.eu is never out of pocket, and they never ever make payouts without at least one blockchain confirmation. Even when you cancel an unmatched bet, they require @ least 1 confirmation before refunding the stake.

Please also bear in mind that payments cannot be made after an event ends, and the result is declared.

Let's assume for a minute that hungerstyle waited to see If Nadal was winning before sending his  lpayment. His transaction would never have matched @ his preferred odds, but at a  shorter price to reflect the current state of the match.

All this points to skulduggery on directbet.eu's part,  to keep money that does not belong to them on trumped up charges. They should do the right thing and refund the btc.

Cloudbet is operating as a ponzi now, they need deposits to make payouts. If your winnings are small amounts,  no worries. You should get them soon enough.  If they are large wins/withdrawals. Be prepared to wait a few days or weeks.

Being the best,and actually being best rated is different thing,i dont see a problem for you guys to pay people to say that.(Just my opinion). And what rating 300? so? thats hardly relevant concidering maybe 1% of people actually rated.

All the bets that we book, and all the payouts that we issue are recorded on the blockchain and as such can not be manipulated in any way.

That's what's unique about DirectBet. We are the only Sportsbook in the world that records bets on the blockchain with complete transparency.

There is a thread here where you can find hundreds of reviews on DirectBet from respected Bitcointalk members :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-sports-betting-review-best-btc-sportsbooks-2018-customer-feedback-577102

We have been rated there The Best Bitcoin Sportsbook for two years in a row.

No need to be defensive directbet.eu, no one here is fooled by your doctored evidence. We ve all seen how you are capable of manipulating evidence to suit your agenda a' la Djokovic vs Murray bet slip.

Until a trusted member here  confirms you accept stakes up to 60btc or above 4btc, I'll disregard any evidence you present. And I'd advice the community to do the same.

In case of volume, Saturday is usually “the biggest day” of the week for bookies. Show us some proof that you have transacted even ONE hundred BTC yesterday or keep your “most popular and trusted Crypto Currency Sportsbook” within your SCAMy thread for non-educated micro-players and micro free-prize lovers from India, Philippines and Iran.

And of course, directbet should be A+ in the ratings - they just steal approx. 20K USD, but that’s just such a little thing.

We are booking lots of big bets on a daily basis.

robinH, since you still seem unconvinced here I found for you an example of a 64 BTC winning Tennis bet that was posted on our thread :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1Ef6pGXuXpyipwCx7DUxvTrQExYwziHbU4

Hi ,

I am having an issue with cloudbet.com withdrawals.

I have 5 pending withdrawals for more than an hour , usually I got the withdrawals instant.

Anyone can help me?

Thanks

Spare me the lecture directbet.eu, as discussed in my pms with you, Ive been in this business for many years.That is not how to make a book, not with those figures you've quoted (topic for another day folks). You might fool the majority here, but not me and not everyone.
 
But to risk your business and brand the way you have just now smacks of desperation and shows how irresponsible you are. I hope you have the funds for payouts when Djokovic eventually wins lol! Oh yeah I forgot. You've got hungers 38 btc to ease the pain.

Mods, I implore you to look into this case. This was a forum that battered quickseller for self escrowing, even though he did not steal a penny (not that I support self escrowing). But it was done on moral grounds. This same forum red trusted members that asked for loans without collateral. So how come you all sit silently and watch directbet.eu walk all over hungerstyle? Is it because he cannot express himself properly? Maybe because he is a newbie? Or is directbet.eu being protected by the powers that be? Fair is fair, the same rules should apply to everyone regardless of rank or stature.

Directbet.eu should be negative trusted until this issue with hungerstyle is sorted.  Someone higher up should step in and take a proper look into this case... With directbet.eu's co -operation off course.

 Directbet.eu cannot and should not be both plaintiff,  judge and jury in a case that it is involved in. This case should be arbitrated by a neutral party and until then directbet.eu should send the 38btc to a trusted escrow on this forum until it is proven beyond doubt that hungerstyle is a scammer and hacker and tried to dupe directbet.eu.

We have not made any manual adjustment to the max bet size, it's completely automatic.

The max bet size fluctuates based on various factors and it usually increases as we approach the event start time.

The reason why the max bet size on Murray is lower is because the odds are higher. The max bet size is determined based on how much you can net profit from the bet up to a maximum of 17.75 BTC. Currently the Match Odds bet on Djokovic and Murray is on the maximum, allowing a net profit of 17.75 BTC (this results in a max bet size of approx. 60 BTC for Djokovic and 7.4 BTC for Murray).

If you are still unconvinced you can check on future high profile events and see that it will be the same. The max bet size increases as we approach the event start time up to a maximum net profit of 17.75 BTC per bet.


The max bet size on Match Odds is usually much bigger than other types of bets.

DirectBet is the most popular and trusted Crypto Currency Sportsbook.

We pay out hundreds of Bitcoins in winnings every day and have been voted the # 1 Sportsbook of the year by Bitcointalk members for two years in a row.

https://directbet.eu/

Lol Lol  Lol!!!!  

Now I am convinced more than ever that you are a corrupt theiving book. Those amounts were adjusted a few minutes ago for the sake of this argument/thread. Anybody with brains between their ears can see through you. How come you have 60 btc on Djokovic but only 7 btc on Murray.  How come all of a sudden you have 60btc available on the one selection I quoted in my previous post? How come every other line still has low max bets and only this 1 selection accepts 60 btc? Do the right thing directbet.eu. people see through your underhand tactics

And please don't speak for TwitchySeal and RHaver,  they are yet to say otherwise.  The only ones adamant it is a double spend is you.the only ones benefiting here is you.

If your bet size is over the limit, your bet will be rejected and refunded instantly and automatically.

In this case the bet was within the limits. For the higher profile events the max bet size is bigger.

For example, if you want to bet on Djokovic now, the max bet size is 60 BTC, you can see it here :

N Djokovic v A Murray

In our FAQ we explain in more details about the max bet size :

https://directbet.eu/FAQ.cshtml#MaxBet


RHaver and TwitchySeal remarks were made while they did not have all the information and we were unable to contribute since the investigation was still in progress.

Look at the additional evidence that we posted above. When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet "misconfiguration" or "user error". That's fraud.


Since day 1 we informed hungerstyle that we are willing to return the coins as a goodwill gesture provided that he signs an agreement that will assure us that he will not attempt to defraud us again.

hungerstyle agreed he will not do it again. We wanted to make a formal agreement and he provided us with his contact information for that.

We suspected the contact information that he provided was faked, so we asked him to prove it, but he refused.

directbet.eu would have rejected the bet anyway or should have, double spend attempt or not. I've been placing small bets there in the past few hours and the one thing that struck me as very odd is the fact that their maximum bets for any selection/event is anything between 1btc and 4 btc.

Take the final match today between Djokovic and Murray... We are talking about the finals here, of the same tournament (French Open) the max bet permitted (for me at least) - Djokovic @ 1.26 is 3.782btc , and 1btc for Murray @ 3.05. I checked out their lines for every selection/sport and the maximum bet allowed is 4btc.

My question to directbet.eu is what happens when a bettor sends you an amount in excess of your maximum bet? Do you reject the bet automatically, or deduct the maximum permitted then refund the rest? Double spend attempt or not, would you have honoured the bet if it won, considering the stake involved is approximately 10 times  the size of your maximum bet?

It smacks of hypocrisy and serious double standards that directbet.eu would seize an amount/bet size that they would never have accepted or honoured in the first place. But they are happy to confisticate the said amount. This is clear scammy behaviour from directbet.eu.

I wonder why hungerstyle placed a bet size that would not have being accepted anyway. And I have pm'ed him to ask. However from my previous communication with him it is obvious that English is not a language he understands well and communicating is difficult.

Nowhere on directbet.eu bet confirmation page does it state clearly that bet stakes can be confisticated for whatever reason. This clause is nicely tucked away/hidden somewhere in their terms and conditions.  How many of us read these terms and conditions before betting? It takes away all the fun right? Then imagine how  difficult it would ve been for someone that  barely understands English.  Could this also be the reason why he sent more than the maximum bet permitted? 10 times more?

Was this a genuine double  spend attempt? I don't know and I have no idea. I am not a blockchain expert. But more knowledgeable members like TwitchySeal and RHaver have demonstrated that it may not be. The only ones that are absolutely sure are directbet. And they are the only ones profiting from it.

The problem with bitcoin sportbooks and casinos is they are unregulated. This is the wild west of online gambling. Books disappearing with deposits. Some needing days to grade bets (cloudbet) , not honouring bonuses (Jetwin), citing outrageous reasons + many other examples. It is left to us the community to police them. The very least we can do is shoot straight and be honest at all times. After all tomorrow it could be you or me on the receiving end.

directbet.eu should do the right thing and refund the stake back to hungerstyle. Think of how much goodwill this would buy you. Until then a mod should red trust them as a warning to others

We posted evidence that the double spend was made on purpose.

When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet "misconfiguration" or "user error". That's fraud.

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