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hungerstyle

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Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

We posted this in our thread a couple of days ago. In case you missed it :

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He bet on Nadal to win a Tennis match and after Nadal lost the first set, when he thought he was going to lose the bet, he attempted to double spend his bet transfer.

Following is a proof :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again.

As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused.

We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to [email protected]

Yes just like in email I share that they were so slow to respond (from forum input only)

That URL (
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/) is me buying btc wager at block event. Now I have no btc and no cash.

Even their tx they provide proves no double spend after nadal loses.

They reference URL points to :https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/ as the double spend

But it is not possible to create this transaction AFTER nadal loses because input 14.2 BTC from
1ENYCitHPwcMz2yjzQ3k9UNFN7hMX was spent and confirmed 24 hrs + before nadal even began. Nor is this transaction even confirmable.

Of course all of this was sent long time ago email. They just want to keep.

Now I am with no btc and no cash. Btc local sell tell me DB fault and db say fraud to keep coin.

I think it is clear DB not intend to send wtih slow support, never sending agreement and passport tasks, . I write off as loss. I just warn serious players to look for altnerate book with research before throwing 15k USD.

goxcraft

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Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

We posted this in our thread a couple of days ago. In case you missed it :

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He bet on Nadal to win a Tennis match and after Nadal lost the first set, when he thought he was going to lose the bet, he attempted to double spend his bet transfer.

Following is a proof :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again.

As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused.

We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to [email protected]

Directbet must pay player in full: deposit+winnings;

They have received player's funds and accepted bet. The bet has won. It is that simple. They do not have any right to request ID.

Gogo ppp

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Quote from: Gogo ppp on May 23, 2016, 04:43:16 PM

TwitchySeal -

"Not sure if Hungerstyle is innocent, but I am sure that Directbet is guilty of handling this situation very poorly...

...If they have enough evidence to justify seizing 36 bitcoin from a player, they should be prepared to defend their decision to the player and the public (if player chooses to make it public) Can't just say "fuck this guy, I think he's trying to scam us" and expect to maintain a reputation. "

I agree with all of the above.

I didn't realize that this was discussed in Directbet's thread.
I should have checked before posting the above.
Haven't had a chance to read the Directbet thread yet.

TwitchySeal

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The Bet was made legitimately, with a transaction that ultimately confirmed. You believe that this guy made a failed attempt at freerolling the house, and that this gives the house the right to freeroll the player and hold his wager hostage with unreasonable demands....

Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

We posted this in our thread a couple of days ago. In case you missed it :

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He bet on Nadal to win a Tennis match and after Nadal lost the first set, when he thought he was going to lose the bet, he attempted to double spend his bet transfer.

Following is a proof :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

No. That's not proof.
I'm not understanding how the only possible conclusion is "hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us." How do you know he isn't telling the truth about using a third party that actually sends the bitcoin?

Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again.

If you had a written confession, it would help your case a hell of a lot more than the "proof" you have now.

Putting the email pieces together I think it went more like this -

First you told him:

"you tried to double spend the bitcoin after Nadal lost first set. You can have your bitcoin back if you agree not to do it again"

He responded:

"I wont do it again"

You thought: "AHA! I got him! He just admitted it! "

Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused.

When someone tries to steal from you, it's not normal to immediately give them money they aren't entitled to simply as a gesture of "good will"

I think you offered him some of his money back for two reasons:

A) You just freerolled him, and you know that freerolling your players is wrong, even if you think they may have just attempted to freeroll you.

B) You thought you could convince him to keep quiet, because you knew you wouldn't look good if this got too public. Obviously you realize it's bad for business to freeroll your players...If you were not guilty, I think you would be sure to explain why to anyone who would listen. Instead, you close your post with this.

Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to [email protected]

The passport thing seems like an attempt to validate the rest of his actions.

Asking an anonymous person to send a scanned image of a passport is kind of pointless.

For the record, if we had a way to know the truth, I still think "Player is Guilty" would be pretty big favorite.

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DirectBet- If the player were to show you a copy of his passport, would you publicly post the information or keep it confidential?

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Quote from: DirectBet on May 23, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

We posted this in our thread a couple of days ago. In case you missed it :

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He bet on Nadal to win a Tennis match and after Nadal lost the first set, when he thought he was going to lose the bet, he attempted to double spend his bet transfer.

Following is a proof :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again.

As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused.

We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to [email protected]

The problem is that there are attempts to defraud books all the time whether it's betting into a bad line or after a game is started. In these cases, bets are voided. Other books never confiscate money in a player's account as a punishment.

DirectBet has decided to confiscate over $15,000 USD as a punishment. This is the second time that you have done this. DirectBet is confiscating funds at their sole discretion and refusing to further discuss the situation with the bitcoin community.

How about letting a vote determine the outcome of the situation? Allow every poster that has ever posted in this thread one vote.

DirectBet

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We posted this in our thread a couple of days ago. In case you missed it :

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He bet on Nadal to win a Tennis match and after Nadal lost the first set, when he thought he was going to lose the bet, he attempted to double spend his bet transfer.

Following is a proof :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

He also admitted this to us via e-mail and promised not to do it again.

As a goodwill gesture we agreed to return his original wager provided that he sign an agreement, but he refused.

We will not be discussing this matter publicly any further. If you have any more questions please direct them to [email protected]

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 23, 2016, 11:15:03 PM

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 23, 2016, 04:27:16 PM

Quote from: BetBTC on May 23, 2016, 02:39:56 PM

Have you tried to double-spend?
If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)

Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation?

Definitely it wouldn't be a good idea to try double-spend on us.

Do you agree with DirectBet in that they should confiscate 36 BTC? This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated player's funds. It's one thing to void winnings, it's outright theft to take deposits.

Since our beginning, in 2014, we never confiscated any winner's profits / balances, and we usually process some big withdrawals (last weekend we had a 18, a 13 and a 11BTC, none took more than 47mins.

What I am telling is that if any of these users have tried to double spend on us, we would surely take the appropriate measures to avoid situations like that happen in future.

From what I understood directbet is ready to process your withdrawal after you send the passport and sign a term.

In case of double spend attempt confirmed, and I repeat in case of double spend attempt proved, that measure is clearly "user-friendly" in our opinion.

I can understand the anger if someone were to try and double spend. The problem here is that DirectBet has the 36 BTC. They accepted the wager. They free rolled the player. If the player lost, DirectBet keeps the money. If the player wins, DirectBet steals the money.

Sure, I agree there could be better ways to handle the situation, however they are able to process the withdrawal so let's see how this ends.

I think "double spend attempt confirmed" is vague and could be interpreted many different ways. (not good)

If you want to seize a players funds ethically, you need proof that the double spend was done maliciously and with the intent to cheat the sports book.

Proving the intent of an anonymous person is extremely difficult or impossible.

Even if you really believe a player is guilty, you can not ethically take their money without proof since ultimately, you chose to accept the the risk that comes with crediting players before their transactions are confirmed by the network. Many other sites choose not to.

great point.