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Topic: #1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Scam Accus - page 119. (Read 260326 times)

legendary
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-directbet-selective-scam-38-btc-caution-1481406 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.
looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

DirectBet has not paid off the winning bet or provided enough evidence to justify their decision to not pay a winning bet of 47BTC

If he were to prove there was a 99% chance that the guy was a scammer, it would still be wrong to to not pay out the bet.
hero member
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-directbet-selective-scam-38-btc-caution-1481406 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

Unresolved issue but give bad ratings, I mean the decline in ratings Directbet.eu ? do you think that's fair?
it should be if the problem has not been resolved no one harmed not Directbet.eu also not hungerstyle , OP should give a sign that the site was to have a problem unresolved not unilaterally lower the rating Directbet.eu. If the OP  do this can be said he supports hungerstyle privately not publicly.
just my opinion
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1008
I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-directbet-selective-scam-38-btc-caution-1481406 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.
newbie
Activity: 34
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Cloudbet 11 hours and still has not graded this 2 team live betting baseball parlay from last night
Pending   Event
LiveKansas City Royals (Duffy) v Chicago White Sox (Gonzalez)
   SelectionKansas City Royals   Stake0.1   Price-455   StatePending   TypeMultiple   
Bet ID2241596   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:15         
   Event
LiveColorado Rockies (Chatwood) v San Francisco Giants (Cain)
   SelectionColorado Rockies      Price-334   StatePending      
   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:40         

over 40 hours later still ungraded by Cloudbet.  I sent an email to there support yesterday.
legendary
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
newbie
Activity: 56
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Now directbet want to have 3rd party local exchange communicate with them. Wtf. Avoid direcbet

It one thing to void play when DB say confirm and admit bad code and other to not return.


Direct bet give run around for many days.


DirectBet<[email protected]>   Sat, May 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM
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Hi XX

Yes, we would like to speak with the person who actually sent this bet
transfer.

Best Regards,




I think them pay player is detrimental to they business model. Seriously big player really not use direct bet, not safe. They look for all way to not pay or return btcs
hero member
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I am glad to see my sportsbook nitrogensports.eu got a rated A. They really deserved that because they have a very trusted site, the withdrawal and deposit is instant and the UI is very simple, plus you have the chat room, really love to bet there.
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newbie
Activity: 34
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Cloudbet 11 hours and still has not graded this 2 team live betting baseball parlay from last night
Pending   Event
LiveKansas City Royals (Duffy) v Chicago White Sox (Gonzalez)
   SelectionKansas City Royals   Stake0.1   Price-455   StatePending   TypeMultiple   
Bet ID2241596   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:15         
   Event
LiveColorado Rockies (Chatwood) v San Francisco Giants (Cain)
   SelectionColorado Rockies      Price-334   StatePending      
   MarketWhich Team Will Win The Match, Including Overtime?   Date28 May 2016   Start00:40         
full member
Activity: 238
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cloudbet, please process my withdraw please.
Nowdays they are facing some issues with 3rd party wallet provider.It will be processed within 24 hours you do not need to worry
full member
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I really like cloudbet.com i think it should be atleast B rated because they provide a large variety of sports in in-play market.They are improving day by day now they also provide cricket in-play also
member
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cloudbet, please process my withdraw please.
member
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I have been waiting almost 12 hours for cloudbet withdraw. it still showed as "sending"!

 Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
legendary
Activity: 1463
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Now I am with no btc and no cash.  Btc local sell tell me DB fault and db say fraud to keep coin.

Assuming by  "btc local" you mean "localbitcoin.com", if you're willing to share the account details with me (after removing all the money and what not) -- I'd be willing to login to your localbitcoin account and confirm or deny whether this was the case.
legendary
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I have no idea who's right or wrong here, but DirectBet is seriously asking someone to upload their passport to imgur wtf?!! Is that a joke?

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

That's unnecessarily condescending.

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He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

That is completely irrelevant. ~47 hours earlier, the user (or the wallet service he uses) unsuccessfully tried to relay a (very large 3323 byte) transaction with 7450 satoshis of fees. Not surprisingly,  it didn't confirm, nor propagate nor had any chance to do so.

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https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?


There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.


No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

That's not true. I have dozens of support tickets per day of people who use misconfigured wallets or wallets that send too little fees. It's a huge stretch to go from "small fee" to "fraudulent intentions".

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When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt.

Not really. I wouldn't say this constitutes a double-spend attempt. As you note transaction 89be96f6cec.. was sent with very low fees, which would have facilitated a possible future double-spend (if the bet lost)


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These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose
That's 100% demonstrably false. All we saw here was a wallet that tried to tried to send with too little fee and the transaction didn't confirm. blockchain.info's wallet for instance must do that hundreds of times a day. As you may have noticed, bitcoin blocks are full -- what do you think happens to the transactions that never confirm? They're resent..
legendary
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.
legendary
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Merit: 1061
DDoS attack on Betcoinsports (Betcoin.ag)

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We get a message threatening a DDoS attack weekly and sometimes they are able to penetrate the protections.  This is what we are currently dealing with and will get Betcoin back up and running shortly.  We will keep you posted:

Hello Support,

We are a team of highly skilled independent security consultants. One of your competitors hired us to take your site offline for an entire month (which we have the resources to do but don't like the contact and might be able to work together instead).

We are taking your site offline until we here from you. Our initial consultation will cost 1 BTC. That price will go up half a btc for every 12 hours we have to keep your site offline. I want to personally assure you that we have the power to keep your site down for an indefinite amount of time. We are the ones who took down xbox live all week (testing ONE of our new servers). In addition to lletting your site up and giving you a report of what we found and how to fix it we will also let you know the ONLY way to stop a DDos attack the size we are capable of launching. We will also add you to a blacklist so no one else fucks with you.

The BTC can be sent to the following address :
1KRQ6LVBFDGn26cdn6FF5hBckNPsPPJLax

I know that you are going to try to mitigate but in the end that is only going to cost you a lot more money. You make enough from betting and advertising alone that just an hour of downtime wont justify the cost. Our team also understands that you will try to mitigate but nothing will stop the attack except my command. Your hosting provider will not be able to help, the authorities wont be able to help you, your firewall is easily bypassed and any ddos service you try to bring in we can bring down (we have done this for a long time). believe it or not we are not the masked assholes stealing credit card numbers. Most of us have families and can't find legitimate jobs in our fields right now and have families to feed.

Regards,

GETDD0sed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.4420
legendary
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DirectBet downgraded to "D". There's no justification for confiscating $15k. This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds.


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newbie
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DirectBet downgraded to "D". There's no justification for confiscating $15k. This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds.

This generally clue to insolvent book. They already spend coin: https://blockchain.info/address/128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

Why any serious player recommendations is to avoid.

The general support and responses all reflect the quality of this site.
legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 1061
DirectBet downgraded to "D". There's no justification for confiscating $15k. This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds.


"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
betcoinsports.com B+ (2013)
jetwin.ps B+ (2013)
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books)
betbtc.co C+(2014)
cloudbet.com C (2013)
fairlay.com C (2014)
betmoose.com C- (2014)
olebitcoin.com C- (2013)*
predictious.com C- (2013)


"D" rated books
anonibet.com/  D+ (2011)
premiumtradings.com D+ (2014))
directbet.eu/ D

"F" rated books
Asianconnect F ....................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

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2bet.io (2016)
betinbtc.com
BetVIP - closed 6/12/15
bitcasino.io/sportsbook
coinbet24.com
lunarbets.eu




* longer accepting cash deposits

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A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players

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