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DirectBet

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Quote from: hungerstyle on June 01, 2016, 12:40:10 PM

When can we expect you to finish investigate

The investigation will be completed after you post here the payout address of bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

Why are you still trying to avoid posting the payout address ?

Please post here the payout address.

hungerstyle

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Quote from: DirectBet on June 01, 2016, 12:19:16 AM

Quote from: hungerstyle on May 31, 2016, 08:11:55 PM

yes it is one thing if double spend is malicious

Since you brought this matter public we ask that you post here the original payout address used for bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

You sent it to us via e-mail on May 27th.

We already asked you to post it several times. Why are you trying to avoid posting it ?

If you are not the real owner of the bet, please ask the real owner to come here and post the payout address.

Although that address not ideal because you have not send in 3 weeks. Much different pay 3 weeks instead of right after event.

You can make send to that address to keep your record safe. I will then get from my local exchange and no longer you issue.

When will we expect you to finish investigate and send?

Thanks

DirectBet

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Quote from: hungerstyle on May 31, 2016, 08:11:55 PM

yes it is one thing if double spend is malicious

Since you brought this matter public we ask that you post here the original payout address used for bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

You sent it to us via e-mail on May 27th.

We already asked you to post it several times. Why are you trying to avoid posting it ?

If you are not the real owner of the bet, please ask the real owner to come here and post the payout address.

Rating Place

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Quote from: casinobitco on May 31, 2016, 08:25:56 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 08:16:35 PM

Quote from: casinobitco on May 31, 2016, 07:52:39 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 07:39:39 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

great post.

I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation.

Thanks for checking in. Anything new at Bitcoinrush?

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casinobitco

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 08:16:35 PM

Quote from: casinobitco on May 31, 2016, 07:52:39 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 07:39:39 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

great post.

I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation.

Thanks for checking in. Anything new at Bitcoinrush?

Oh yea man, we're always lurking here!

Brand new sportsbook coming to BitcoinRush.io... then a lot more advances in our Casino with some 3rd party integration!

Right now - giving away Free Bitcoin, just play now up until the Belmont... More details here: https://www.bitcoinrush.io/leaderboard

Rating Place

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Activity: 3934

Merit: 1061

Quote from: casinobitco on May 31, 2016, 07:52:39 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 07:39:39 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

great post.

I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation.

Thanks for checking in. Anything new at Bitcoinrush?

hungerstyle

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yes it is one thing if double spend is malicious

but they claim that double spend AFTER nadal lose first set... but TX they provide shows input that is spent over 1 day previous. So it is not possible to spend malicious like they say nor did it occur after nadal lose first set. So if it was malicious you would not do it this way with transaction that could never confirm, you would actually do malicious.

Then they steel bet that comes from they casino coin account.

They just see quick chance to make quick btc. Why it is voted D and why major players will avoid it. They win in short but faith they lose long run.

casinobitco

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 31, 2016, 07:39:39 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

great post.

I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation.

Rating Place

legendary

Activity: 3934

Merit: 1061

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

Quote from: EdenHazard on May 31, 2016, 06:14:48 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 30, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

Quote from: DirectBet on May 27, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.

DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

Not all double spend attempts are intentional. It could happen to anyone.

Many sites require at least one confirmation (or more) to prevent being exploited by double spend attempts.

I assume DirectBet knows this and chooses not to require 1 confirm in hopes it will attract more players.

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

great post.

Rating Place

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Quote from: EdenHazard on May 31, 2016, 06:14:48 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 30, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

Quote from: DirectBet on May 27, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.

DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

It's DirectBet's fault for employing this type of system. Other's have stated that attempted double spends can show up even at no fault of the player. I'm far from an expert on the subject, but they stated that it has something to do with the wallet used. Others feel free to correct me.

DirectBet feels that they can confiscate money, even though they have the BTC in their wallet, because the blockchain states attempted double spend.

DirectBet accepted the wager, they have the money and the bet won. DirectBet then refused to pay winnings and took the deposit.

Edit - I didn't see Twitchyseal's post. He knows more about double spends than I do.

TwitchySeal

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Quote from: EdenHazard on May 31, 2016, 06:14:48 PM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 30, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

Quote from: DirectBet on May 27, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.

DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

Not all double spend attempts are intentional. It could happen to anyone.

Many sites require at least one confirmation (or more) to prevent being exploited by double spend attempts.

I assume DirectBet knows this and chooses not to require 1 confirm in hopes it will attract more players.

If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways of handling these situations.

A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.

B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.

Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.

EdenHazard

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 30, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

Quote from: DirectBet on May 27, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.

DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction?

you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt!

hungerstyle

newbie

Activity: 56

Merit: 0

Now directbet not think I am original person even with bet come from casino coin account with them site. Authenticate by email + password.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15035797

Big player should avoid directbet for not safe

mishra1994

full member

Activity: 238

Merit: 100

According to me cloudbet is the best which is not rated very much..i has a very good variety of in play games include most of the sports..my vote is for cloudbet

hungerstyle

newbie

Activity: 56

Merit: 0

Directbet still not return bet or bet win amount. I post to reddit today to warn all others player of scam book. Peep is correct with no top book ever to treat player this way.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15035482

baji

sr. member

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Merit: 250

Quote from: ffdst on May 28, 2016, 10:50:04 AM

we have directdice.eu The best site to bet on Internet

I agree with you .
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hungerstyle

newbie

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Directbet has ask to post btc address to remove doubt for all

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15022212

Rating Place

legendary

Activity: 3934

Merit: 1061

Quote from: Google+ on May 29, 2016, 11:52:16 PM

Quote from: poplolnman on May 29, 2016, 11:29:36 PM

Quote from: Erkallys on May 29, 2016, 03:45:26 AM

I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...

i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-directbet-selective-scam-38-btc-caution-1481406 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better.

Unresolved issue but give bad ratings, I mean the decline in ratings Directbet.eu ? do you think that's fair?
it should be if the problem has not been resolved no one harmed not Directbet.eu also not hungerstyle , OP should give a sign that the site was to have a problem unresolved not unilaterally lower the rating Directbet.eu. If the OP do this can be said he supports hungerstyle privately not publicly.
just my opinion

This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds. This thread is for the benefit of the players. We need poster input to determine the grades.

It's obvious that some of the posters in disagreement with DirectBet have been around the block. Their opinions cannot be ignored and their posts are appreciated.

Rating Place

legendary

Activity: 3934

Merit: 1061

Quote from: DirectBet on May 27, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security.

He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time.

DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts.

A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit.

Rating Place

legendary

Activity: 3934

Merit: 1061

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