Topic: [150TH] [PPLNS 0.5%] Jonny's Mining Emporium (bravo-mining.com) - page 81. (Read 267395 times)

To keep things open...

kilo17 - total shares submitted to the pool is: 3593906827.6008587.  Total shares for the 3 blocks found: 265158127564.  Last block found was: 25.19462806BTC.  Your total payout should have been: 0.34148358BTC.

If that is acceptable, then give me a BTC address and I'll send it to you.

I would like to see anyone that has missed out on payments reimbursed. Its only fair that we get paid for the shares that are submitted - that goes for all 3 rounds.

I would go with philipma1957's comment to leave as is then square up .

we crossed posts .


I think he can leave it the way it is.

then square it up with the underpaid.  

You are an underpaid and rozo is an underpaid.

the biggest overpaid on this block is  jonnybravo0311


I would be willing to do a manual check of all numbers this evening.

Thanks for the reply kilo, I appreciate your response.  As the pool operator, it is my duty to ensure people are paid according to how the pool was advertised.  If I'm not doing so, then it is also my responsibility to make things right.

That's why I'm offering to make the corrections from my own pocket and will happily send you the .338BTC you should have received.

This will be my last post on the subject because I do not want to beat a dead horse.  Leaving it the way it is gets me a payout of 0.00 BTC while calculating the payout as described in the OP gets me a payout of 0.338 BTC.  Many people are affected by the decision.

  I think he can leave it the way it is.

then square it up with the underpaid.  

You are an underpaid and rozo is an underpaid.

the biggest overpaid on this block is  jonnybravo0311


I would be willing to do a manual check of all numbers this evening.

leave it the way it is. 

then figure a better method of payout.

I think that is the  easiest way.

Thank you for looking into it.

1- If the pool is labeled as 5n then the block needs to be paid 5n.  It is a simple calculation that can be done by hand since the number of miners is small and all of the blocks shares are counted.

2- If it is left the way it is then many people will not get paid as described in the OP.  Sure I would like to get the 1/3 of a Bitcoin but I certainly do not want it to be paid from your pocket.

3- Voting on it is a great option but a predictable one.  Those that are negatively affected will vote one way while those positively affected will vote the opposite. I suggest you look at the info and make a decision, people are going to be unhappy either way.

By the way... additionally, if you truly feel that you've been somehow wronged, let me know.  I will pay you out of my own pocket.

The pool is currently calculating the payouts based on an average number of shares.  That average is calculated by looking at the shares from the last 5 blocks.  I incorrectly stated the PPLNS was 5N where N was the block difficulty.  That is not how it's working now.  This is the reason why you're seeing the weird share caps and the odd things on the stats pages.  As of now, since the pool hasn't found 5 blocks, it is basing the PPLNS average shares on the previous 3 blocks.  This is why you are seeing round shares, but not seeing any payouts.  Your round shares were dropped from the PPLNS calculation.

There are a couple of options here.

1) We continue on as is.  This round's payouts will be calculated the same as they have been.
2) I try to re-run everything setting the share target as 5N (which would include every share since the pool began).  This would be a manual effort on my part and will take a few more hours to complete.

There are 3 more blocks to confirm before the pool sends the balances to miners.  I can try to stop this from happening... but I don't want to cause any more problems than already exist.

Kilo17, your assessment that 5N might be too much is an accurate one for a pool of this size.  The difficulty is changing faster than the pool is solving blocks - which works out well for the current method of PPLNS that is implemented.  If the pool grew to where we were solving lots of blocks per difficulty change, then 5N would make more sense.

Having written this, I am open to hear thoughts on how people would like to proceed.

My feeling?  Leave it as is for this block's payouts.  I really don't want to start messing around with the database and potentially screw things up worse than they already are for people expecting 5N payouts.

If we all agree, then I can change it to really consider 5N for the next block - I've got all the shares stored in the database anyway.

The PPLNS share value is not 5n, use your actual share values vs the total share values

philipma1957 - I set out my shares per round much like you.

Trouble is I just don't get the maths.


Round           Pool                     Me                 PPLNS
  3        151,774,724,299      394,814,221     170,096,734

  2        91,699,693,789       1,145,636,326   192,489,823

  1        21,683,709,476        205,987,321    205,987,321

I would love a simple explanation of how the shares are calculated and how this relates to any 5n

Edit: Ok, thanks Kilo17.
 'No shares should be dropping off since only 265 billion shares have been submitted since the pools beginning and 5n is 720 billion'

I see the problem for the 5n.  that kilo17 mentions

aside from that


I do not understand  the reason people are capped at


2,147,483,647


1   rozo                   2,147,483,647   225,421,727   10.50  rozo did way over 2,146,483,647
2   bctmke           2,147,483,647   24,579,291   1.14
3   eghigo           2,147,483,647   14,950,281   0.70
4   jonnybravo   2,147,483,647   60,869,950   2.83   
5   YuenglingDude   2,147,483,647   8,439,623           0.39
6   Underachieved   2,018,459,378   3,483,544           0.17
7   kilo17           1,787,617,883   2,328,366           0.13
8   philipma1957   1,658,915,689   2,069,906      0.12
9   Valkir           1,553,104,548   666,031           0.04
10   njmnokc           1,456,346,814   1,125,239     0.08

5n may be to much for a small pool because the difficulty is raising faster than the shares are being submitted

 yeah I think the implementation is in error.

 you need to add all my hash for 3 blocks and divide  by the pools total for 3 blocks

Actual Shares                Me
7,108,313,121      294,082,802


Actual Shares                 Me

151,774,724,299     1,658,915,689/1,517,414,348
 91,699,693,789      2,126,366,885/1,514,666,826
 21,683,709,476              0/0

Fair points, kilo... I'm looking into it.

No I mentioned the 5n last night and it was not addressed this morning so I thought I needed to bring it up again before the payouts.  

Example:
I had 1.8 billion shares in round 2
I had 1.7 billion shares in round 3

Total pool shares for all 3 rounds are 265 billion

(3.5/265) * 25 = .338 BTC I should receive but I am not receiving any payout.

No shares should be dropping off since only 265 billion shares have been submitted since the pools beginning and 5n is 720 billion.

 

I see the issue you mention   which is not the ratio issue I mention.

In fact I had some shares dropped.

jonny was sending 2ph when pool was hit and gets overpaid I did not understand why so

 I went to faq and

we need an explanation for this :


http://www.bravo-mining.com/index.php?page=about&action=pool

Q: When will I get paid?
 A: This pool uses the following payout system.

Pay Per Last N Shares (PPLNS) - Block rewards are distributed among the last shares, disregarding round boundaries. In the accurate implementation, the number of shares is deter- mined so that their total will be a specified quantity of score (where the score of a share is the inverse of the difficulty). Most pools use a naive implementation based on a fixed number of shares or a fixed multiple of the difficulty. The share-variance can be reduced at the cost of increased maturity time, but there is no way to decrease the long-term pool-variance.

Btw- there are 17 confirmations before payout if you want to correct the problem jonnybravo0311

Correct but it is not paying all shares--I had 1.7 billion shares early in this round and got 0 payout, not including my shares from the last round