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Quote from: RandyFolds on February 10, 2012, 10:20:11 PM

Quote from: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 10, 2012, 05:47:35 PM

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one.

No, they haven't. It's still vapourware until a single unit is delivered.

Clearly, I have pre-ordered. I agree 100% with RandyFolds, until a product is delivered, it is vaporware(American spelling, after all, didn't we invent vaporware?).

I am optimistic to receive my order next week, UPS/Fed-Ex/USPS willing. I am sure that I'm not the only one who will receive their order, so hopefully, this whole brouhaha will come to a close.

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Quote from: foggyb on February 10, 2012, 05:54:36 PM

Quote from: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 10, 2012, 05:47:35 PM

Quote from: SysRun on February 10, 2012, 05:32:30 PM

I called the property management company that leases those apartments. The lady scoffed at the idea that someone was manufacturing anything up there.

So you seem to have found the address for his wire transfers (great detective work there) and latched on to that. Firstly, I'm not sure why you're assuming that the address he receives wire transfers to is the same address they manufacture these things. Why would it be?

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one. If it is a scam, it's a bloody intricate one. I think you can give up on that broken record. Try focusing on the delays instead, at least that's true and you can milk it a while longer.

Actually if it is a scam its a pretty simple one.. They have nothing to lose by dragging the scam on until profits are not earned, hard to tell how many more months that would take. There are a lot of people that would believe about anything. Someone doing a ponzi scheme would have to put in way more effort then this, and more risk. This is risk free until returns are denied, but that won't happen until return requests exceed new orders. Nothing intricate about their website. If it is real these guys are idiots, and they obviously think their customers are to.

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Quote from: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 10, 2012, 05:47:35 PM

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one.

No, they haven't. It's still vapourware until a single unit is delivered.

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Quote from: DiabloD3 on February 10, 2012, 09:06:48 PM

WTF, why the hell would ANYONE put side holes on a rackmount box? Thats insane. Totally screws up DC airflow.

Good question, I've always wondered why some of the HP/Dell servers I have used have had side vents as well. But I never detected much airflow from them when the servers were running, so it could have been that they were designed as intakes that would cool some of the components closer to the side of the server.

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Quote from: Inspector 2211 on February 10, 2012, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: kano on February 10, 2012, 08:15:15 PM

(with more side holes)
(yes that's a question Tongue

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Many years ago I designed a 1U rack-mount enclosure for six miniITX motherboards.
One of my business ideas that didn't pan out, but that's a different story.

The enclosures had vent holes in the front bezel and rear bezel, and, for good measure, lots of vent holes in the side panels also.

Guess what?

The holes in the side panels created an easier path for the air, so the cool air did not go all the way from the front to the rear (in a data center, the aisle where all the front panels are is the "cool aisle" and the aisle where all the rear panels are is the "hot aisle"), but instead the air took a shortcut. The motherboards got really hot. Not good.

So, I duct-taped the holes in the side panels shut.

Result: Much better cooling performance, as the air was now forced to go from the front to the very rear.

In a nutshell: More air holes do not necessarily translate to better cooling performance - sometimes the opposite is true.

WTF, why the hell would ANYONE put side holes on a rackmount box? Thats insane. Totally screws up DC airflow.

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Quote from: kano on February 10, 2012, 08:15:15 PM

(with more side holes)
(yes that's a question Tongue

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Many years ago I designed a 1U rack-mount enclosure for six miniITX motherboards.
One of my business ideas that didn't pan out, but that's a different story.

The enclosures had vent holes in the front bezel and rear bezel, and, for good measure, lots of vent holes in the side panels also.

Guess what?

The holes in the side panels created an easier path for the air, so the cool air did not go all the way from the front to the rear (in a data center, the aisle where all the front panels are is the "cool aisle" and the aisle where all the rear panels are is the "hot aisle"), but instead the air took a shortcut. The motherboards got really hot. Not good.

So, I duct-taped the holes in the side panels shut.

Result: Much better cooling performance, as the air was now forced to go from the front to the very rear.

In a nutshell: More air holes do not necessarily translate to better cooling performance - sometimes the opposite is true.

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It does look like there is a hole under the PCB esp in the leftmost unit.

Looking at the unit on the right you can see that the bottom fan is using the same fan mounting as the top unit, which someone mentioned was increased to 92mm. Correct, if inaccurate.

Happy to see the ship date...anxious to see what the Rev B board does in MH/s and power consumption.

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Actually ... would having them on each side (opposite rotation) or just one on the side make more sense?
(with more side holes)
(yes that's a question Tongue

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Thanks for posting this fred0. So they do have these fans blowing up on the underside of the PCB? I was thinking all along if it wouldn't make more sense to run them without the case?

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Thanks Fred

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Hi Fred, here's another photo... three units working in tandem... with their front covers off. Feel free to post. We'll begin shipments on Monday. We've been doing a lot of hand work with the assembly over here and it's been slow. Next runs are starting their process now in Asia where we'll catch up with the schedule.

Regards,
Sonny K
BF Labs Inc.

I Know that everyone is waiting to see these...

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I would take a PR job with BFL in a second. Make some videos, show some cgminer action... They'd be beating off pre-orders with a stick!

or something like that. I slightly regret my choice of words there.

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Quote from: foggyb on February 10, 2012, 05:54:36 PM

PR for butterfly labs?

Just common sense

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Quote from: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 10, 2012, 05:47:35 PM

Quote from: SysRun on February 10, 2012, 05:32:30 PM

I called the property management company that leases those apartments. The lady scoffed at the idea that someone was manufacturing anything up there.

So you seem to have found the address for his wire transfers (great detective work there) and latched on to that. Firstly, I'm not sure why you're assuming that the address he receives wire transfers to is the same address they manufacture these things. Why would it be?

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one. If it is a scam, it's a bloody intricate one. I think you can give up on that broken record. Try focusing on the delays instead, at least that's true and you can milk it a while longer.

RoloTonyBrownTown, I wrote this really long rebuttal, but it was delayed. You would have loved it though.

I don't think its a conspiracy. I'm not taking a position. Its still a puzzler to me though, and I'm wondering why it still isn't a puzzler to you RoloTonyBrownTown.

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Quote from: RoloTonyBrownTown on February 10, 2012, 05:47:35 PM

Quote from: SysRun on February 10, 2012, 05:32:30 PM

I called the property management company that leases those apartments. The lady scoffed at the idea that someone was manufacturing anything up there.

So you seem to have found the address for his wire transfers (great detective work there) and latched on to that. Firstly, I'm not sure why you're assuming that the address he receives wire transfers to is the same address they manufacture these things. Why would it be?

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one. If it is a scam, it's a bloody intricate one. I think you can give up on that broken record. Try focusing on the delays instead, at least that's true and you can milk it a while longer.

PR for butterfly labs?

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Quote from: SysRun on February 10, 2012, 05:32:30 PM

I called the property management company that leases those apartments. The lady scoffed at the idea that someone was manufacturing anything up there.

So you seem to have found the address for his wire transfers (great detective work there) and latched on to that. Firstly, I'm not sure why you're assuming that the address he receives wire transfers to is the same address they manufacture these things. Why would it be?

Secondly, you seem to still be stuck on the "it's a scam!" bandwagon. Even the hardcore trolls in here have given up on that one. If it is a scam, it's a bloody intricate one. I think you can give up on that broken record. Try focusing on the delays instead, at least that's true and you can milk it a while longer.

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Anyway I guess either the buyers are being kept in the dark, or they all know this and don't want anyone else to know:

"there's some problem with multiple devices that needs to be debugged"
However it does seem that they have at least some working ... or pretending to work remotely

So it looks like the current delay might be software ...

I'm posting that only coz it's the first bit of info that I have actually heard that suggests anything at all since Inaba got to test one and they had to redesign it Tongue

(and no I won't say where I got it from and yeah it could be all lies

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Quote from: makomk on February 10, 2012, 05:29:44 PM

Quote from: Inaba on February 10, 2012, 05:16:00 PM

So by "digging" do you mean you read the first thread, posted several months ago or do you mean you duplicated the effort others already went through?

He might be here from Something Awful. From what I've seen they seem to be very proud to have rediscovered all this recently. Grin

I don't know what that is makomk.

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I called the property management company that leases those apartments. The lady scoffed at the idea that someone was manufacturing anything up there.

Maybe you know the business address Inaba, but I was unable to find it, just that sub-par apartment in KC MO.

I mean to say that I unknowingly duplicated the efforts of others.

How many do you have pre-ordered Inaba? You should get them before everyone else, right?

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Quote from: Inaba on February 10, 2012, 05:16:00 PM

So by "digging" do you mean you read the first thread, posted several months ago or do you mean you duplicated the effort others already went through?

He might be here from Something Awful. From what I've seen they seem to be very proud to have rediscovered all this recently. Grin

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