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Topic: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) - page 15. (Read 146930 times)

legendary
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I think it works like that:

Well, I'm interested to see how this will end. Have fun!

What you are describing is known as a 'long con', the idea of which been brought up here before. By its nature it is difficult to recognize until enough product has actually shipped (at which point it becomes increasingly clear that it is not a long con).

BFL has had delays, but the delays seem to be for legit reasons (redesign). Let's hope these delays are now behind them and they can catch up to their '4-6 week' promised shipping time.
legendary
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
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legendary
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member
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 Shocked Been following this thread for a while.

I'm more interested in the Rig Box then the single's... but let's see how these first batches roll out.
hero member
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I think it works like that:

1) You promise a great product of great performance at a good price to attract buyers.
2) You let the pre-order list build on, that way, you receive money to build your product. It also give you the option of starting without any money.
3) With the money, you build the product you advertise, using what competitors already offer. From what I see, it's probably this board (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ztex-usb-fpga-modules-115x-and-115y-215-and-860-mhs-fpga-boards-49180) four times in a nice box.
4) The cost of building the product is probably a lot higher than his sale price. In that case, it cost around 1600$ and sells at 599$.
5) When you build your first batch, you ship them so the first buyers can give feedback.
6) Shipping MUST be slow. It's important later on.
7) The first buyers are indirectly a part of the scam. They are honest people who are going to say to others :"Hey, this thing WORKS! It's awesome, blablabla". The feedback is almost garanteed to be positive.
Cool In the meantime, you can adjust the price if you want. It let you get more money without problems because of the feedback.
9) People who didn't bought into the first batch want to be a part of it now. The price is good, the performance is great, and looking at the feedback of the first buyers, everything is as promised. So, they pre-order too on the next batch.
10) First buyers, getting their promise fulfilled (this box is awesome!) will probably buy another one too.
11) The shipping took a long time the first time, so, on the second time, people will accept the long delay between payment and the reception of their product. People waited two months the first time, they can wait another two months.
12) Wait for the pre-orders, take the money and run. The longer the "shipping" takes, the more time you have to GTFO.

Alternate version:
- You can redo the scam multiple times. You simply need to redo the steps 7 to 11. The second batch buyers will also give great feedback, creating a new wave of batch buyers.
- The scammer will be able to create multiple waves of buyers and increasing his revenue. It's more risky though, because he could find it hard to stop, and it's better if he can control when the scam stop (instead of being discovered). When he decides when to stop, he can use his "shipping" delay more effectively to get out and hide.

Well, I'm interested to see how this will end. Have fun!
sr. member
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My home internet connection is being a bastard, so I'm getting some timeouts to the pool which is affecting the hashrate and the displayed rate it will be lower than actual hashrate,  In retrospect, I probably should have put it in the datacenter, but then I wouldn't have been able to get pictures and such.  

I'm calling Time Warner today to ask them WTF is up.

Numbers and other stuff will be coming tonight.

The hash rate is already looking nice, so if that's with your dodgy connection I'm looking forward to seeing the stable numbers!
legendary
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power draws max of USB 2.0 Huh yeah can't be that much...

80w?

I'm not sure what your point is. A standard USB2.0 port is specced to provide 500mA @ 5V. That's 2.5W. The Single isn't powered by the USB port; it has a separate power adapter. The Singles Inaba reviewed draw ~80W under full load. The shipping versions should be similar.
donator
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Gerald Davis
power draws max of USB 2.0 Huh yeah can't be that much...
80w?

What are you planning on powering by USB? Your leaf blower?  BTW the USB specs limits power to much less than 80W BTW.
hero member
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Coin Generator
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power draws max of USB 2.0 Huh yeah can't be that much...


80w?
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Portland Bitcoin Group Organizer
Money to burn! Lets all show Inaba our appreciation by sending a BTC his way. Altruism is a good idea.

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Gerald Davis
If Ianab has the start time we could look at total shares / total time to get more accurate "runtime" hashrate.  Of course anyone could it themselves by simply taking a time stamp and the share count and then check it again in 2, 8, 24 hours.

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shares since reset 1414  @ 2012-02-14 05:52:46 (UTC)


update:
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shares since reset 6748 @ 2012-02-14 13:42:12 (UTC)

So if my calculus is right.

7 hours, 49 minutes, 24 seconds later = 28164 seconds.

6748-1414 = 5334 shares
5334 shares * 2^32 hashes per share = 2.29094E+13 hashes
2.29094E+13 hashes / 28,164 seconds =  813426912 hashes / s
813426912.3 hashes/s   / 1000^2 = 813 MH/s

Right?  If so looking good for first 8 hours.
I have a older data point that I used. 02/14/2012 04:51:26 UTC was 741 shares. Using that point, I get about 803.5 MH/s.

Nice.  Will be interesting to look at 24 hour run.  Was hoping BFL would let Inaba do that 3 months ago.  Will be nice to finally see a solid 24 hours "in the real world".

sr. member
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If Ianab has the start time we could look at total shares / total time to get more accurate "runtime" hashrate.  Of course anyone could it themselves by simply taking a time stamp and the share count and then check it again in 2, 8, 24 hours.

Quote
shares since reset 1414  @ 2012-02-14 05:52:46 (UTC)


update:
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shares since reset 6748 @ 2012-02-14 13:42:12 (UTC)

So if my calculus is right.

7 hours, 49 minutes, 24 seconds later = 28164 seconds.

6748-1414 = 5334 shares
5334 shares * 2^32 hashes per share = 2.29094E+13 hashes
2.29094E+13 hashes / 28,164 seconds =  813426912 hashes / s
813426912.3 hashes/s   / 1000^2 = 813 MH/s

Right?  If so looking good for first 8 hours.
I have an older data point that I used. 02/14/2012 04:51:26 UTC was 741 shares. Using that point, I get about 803.5 MH/s.

legendary
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My home internet connection is being a bastard, so I'm getting some timeouts to the pool which is affecting the hashrate and the displayed rate it will be lower than actual hashrate,  In retrospect, I probably should have put it in the datacenter, but then I wouldn't have been able to get pictures and such.  

I'm calling Time Warner today to ask them WTF is up.

Numbers and other stuff will be coming tonight.
hero member
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Where is the RIG BOX anyone Grin
donator
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Gerald Davis
If Ianab has the start time we could look at total shares / total time to get more accurate "runtime" hashrate.  Of course anyone could it themselves by simply taking a time stamp and the share count and then check it again in 2, 8, 24 hours.

Quote
shares since reset 1414  @ 2012-02-14 05:52:46 (UTC)


update:
Quote
shares since reset 6748 @ 2012-02-14 13:42:12 (UTC)

So if my calculus is right.

7 hours, 49 minutes, 24 seconds later = 28164 seconds.

6748-1414 = 5334 shares
5334 shares * 2^32 hashes per share = 2.29094E+13 hashes
2.29094E+13 hashes / 28,164 seconds =  813426912 hashes / s
813426912.3 hashes/s   / 1000^2 = 813 MH/s

Right?  If so looking good for first 8 hours.



legendary
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Now I can buy all your 5970's for cheap. You can spend the big bucks on these things..

Man does not live by bread alone. And on the seventh day GOD created Half-Life 2!

I wish GOD would create Half Life 3, maybe then it will actually become a reality. But this may explain it: http://i.imgur.com/bUUke.png

Now for something more on-topic. Does anyone know if the current price on their website is here to stay or if they will raise it as soon as they smell the money?
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