Topic: 2019 Cricket World Cup - Discussion & Analysis - page 29. (Read 8146 times)

Other Posters already posted stats and arguments but Vishnu bhai let me know if you want more stats in details. Digging more information takes time but will bring it out for you having said that I am not surprised that you are criticizing Sachin. it happens all the time and nothing wrong with it, you are entitled to your viewpoint and Sachin's critics use similar arguments all the time that "he plays for records or he's not match winner" etc

In Indian Cricket Sachin is Feeling, I am sure that Virat Kohli can break all records of Sachin but he can't replace the feeling and TBH we should never compare 2 players from a different era. game has changed so much, you and me both know that.

Agree, at early age, in our era, we used to think him as idol. That's how India got thousands of batsman. In our country, teenagers are highly motivated by Shakib Al Hasan. We can expect a bunches of All rounder in the upcoming days. That's how it works.

Dhoni as a Indian Captain? hmmm not possible, not even in a wildest dream. he already gave his captaincy for good. so everyone should make it peace with it. That's what cricket does, some players performs in the match ,some don't and don't forget Indian spinners and Bumrah's contribution.

I don't think IPL is a good place to look for ODI players. Though it has certainly made a good platform for a large number of players to showcase their talents and earn, ODI and worldcup are still a different genre. Records are made to be broken but I don't think some of the older records made by legends are going to be broken so soon.

All I need to say here is India needs Dhoni as a captain if they dream of getting anything near to the finals. This game proves nothing, just two Indian players had their day while Bangladesh struggled to chase a large target. Bangladesh too played very well. But I feel both of these teams are lacking the vibe for this worldcup.

However there are players far better than Sachin, and now through IPL some has got identified. During the early days the competence isn't that high which gave him the opportunity to play for a long even if he hasn't performed good at times. Now the scenario is different, if one hasn't performed good in few matches he'll be in the fifteen members but won't get into the playing eleven. Moreover over the years kohli will smash all the records that have been made by Sachin who is prasied as the God of cricket, and in my personal opinion he played for his records than playing for the country.

No one in world cricket was under pressure like Sachin Tendulkar as we all know the immense hope we had in him to score runs every time he goes out to bat, i grew up seeing Sachin play right from his debut and the people of my age will understand his influence in the game and why India love cricket more than any other sport, remember hockey is our national game, if not for Sachin we will not see these big endorsement we have now.
The bowlers he faced and i can quote many legendary bowlers praising Sachin and his skills, a gentlemen inside and outside of cricket and he is the true role model for kids.
Right now the average of many players in ODI is close to 50. I wonder how they will play if they face bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Jason Gillespie, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Malcolm Marshall, Imran Khan, Glenn McGrath, Shaun Pollock, Allan Donald, Ian Botham, Makhaya Ntini, Craig McDermott, Damien Fleming, Shane Bond, Muttiah Muralitharan, shane Warne, Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Daniel Vettori, Chaminda Vaas and the list goes on.

I am not including Dale Steyn and Jimmy Anderson as they are still playing and Sachin smashed them and remember the first double century in ODI against Steyn and company.

In test, out of his 51 century, he had 3 century against Zimbabwe, no century against Kenya or lower team you mentioned. (Not sure if Kenya played test)
In ODI, out of 49, he had 10 century against Zimbabwe, Kenya and 1 against Namibia.

I was way to sleep but noticed your post, to be honest, you have no idea about whom you are talking. You know he is GOD of cricket. He has introduced the century of century, double century in ODI, and the thousand club(for most club).

This..
I respect Kohli, he is one of my favorite player.
But there's no bowler like Shane Warne not Muttiah these days.
Saaed Ajmol or Rashid Khan is far away from that class.

However, if Virat would face world class bowler, I would still says there's no way of comparing Sachin with anyone.

I read this quote too, can't remember when but this shows that how dangerous Sachin was for the top class bowlers. I remember Sachin giving nightmare to Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram, Sane Warne

This something I found: https://www.quora.com/Is-Virat-Kohli-facing-relatively-easy-bowling-attack-compared-to-what-Sachin-Tendulkar-faced-in-his-era

I think this speaks better.

The bowlers Sachin faced:


The bowlers Kohli is facing/faced:


No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.

Not sure why you mentioned Sachin failed in overseas and later showed a data of subcontinent area.
Sachin total century in ODI- 49
In India- 20
In overseas- 29

In test, out of 51 century, he has 29 century in overseas.

Sachin is only one piece, as royse said, he is the one for which at least India has such big batting line up.
Sachin failed against Bret Lee? Mcgrath?

 Shane Warne

Never ever compare Sachin Tendulkar with anyone else in world cricket, Lara and Sachin are the greatest modern day cricketers and you have to be ashamed if you compare legendary players who played the game of cricket when there was bigger grounds and better world class bowlers and good pitches and there were no rules favoring the batsmen when they started playing and they scored runs around the globe. Kohli is a good player and we know how many world class bowlers are there in world cricket now  .

I do not want to justify him. He earned his place and I think he is still inspirational and considered as cricket God in India.

Sachin always faced criticism for not performing well in overseas pitches. I can remember dozens of matches, in which he failed against good bowling lineups (especially the Australian combo of Glenn McGrath and  Brett Lee). Out of his 49 ODI hundreds only 12 were scored outside the sub-continent (less than one-fourth and this includes centuries against Kenya and Zimbabwe).  

But I agree when you say that he was hugely inspirational. At his peak, he was the most popular individual in India. Even more than any Bollywood actor or national politician.

Excuse me, Sachin is a character who inspired thousands of batsman around the world and if I am not wrong then Kohli, Dhoni are some of them. If Sachin was not exist then you would not find Kohli or others who grew up with a dream that one day they will play like him. Sehwag is no near to Sachin.

There are no comparison for Sachin not even Lara. He was one of another kind.

The dismal performance of Indian openers still continues in the warm up matches, KL Rahul and Dhoni is in the crease and Rahul is on the verge of a century (just scored his century). I am not what is the best playing eleven for India as they are shuffling many players and even the team management have not come to a decision on what the team combination should be even at the verge of a world tournament which tells that India wont perform that well in this World Cup which is a sad tale for all the Indians.

Dude, Virat Kohli is 10 times better than Sachin and Sehwag combined. I don't have anything against Sachin. But I believe that he was given a larger than life image by the media. The vast majority of his tons came against weak sides such as Zimbabwe and Kenya, and that too on flat tracks. BTW, I don't have anything against Bangladesh... the border is just 20 km from my village.

Dada, I agree people (only fans) takes Bangladesh team very lightly, but it's not the case for any opposition team. Every team is aware of how hard Bangladesh play and try when it comes to Cricket.

I, for one, will not be going to take them lightly when playing against India or other teams. They may lose the game, but without a fight? I doubt it. They are very much capable of upsetting any team in their day. However, I feel that they seem to lose every crunch moment, it's sad, but it looks funny when they repeatedly do this. They need to do something about that if they want to stand out in this World Cup edition.

Indian team and Indian fans don't miss Sachin and Sehwag any more because Indian top 3 batsmen are arguably best in business when it comes to ODI and If top 3 performs then 99% chances are India going to win matches because Rohit and Kohli never gets out quickly after scoring 100, they make big 100s and if Sikhar gets going then watch out its very dangerous combination.

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About the Last match between India vs New Zealand

I saw many fans saying that Indian batsmen performed very poorly which is 100% true, but everyone failed to see or avoid to mention that it was seaming-dark green wicket with the cloud over the head during the first inning — best condition for bowlers to bawl. Indian Captain Virat intentionally chose to bat first so that Indian batting can come under the microscope, and in this test, they failed miserably without any doubt. ( here I see Intent and awareness from Virat Kohli. which is a perfect sign for Indian Team)

And if seaming condition comes into play in the World cup, then every team going to struggle like that, not just India. Winning the toss is very important if it happens. And everybody knows, the Indian Bowling attack is no dummy as it used to be in the past.

I am saying as well that it is not 2007 
In 2007, we didn't have No 1 all rounder (he was fairly new that time), we didn't have captain like Mashrafee and a batting line up like current one. We will miss Ashraful, but India will also miss Sachin, Sehwag.
Don't take it so easy. I have to admit that India is better than us, but that doesn't mean we can't win. We can, and we have proved that.

Bangladesh indeed is a balanced team. They have been a good team for years but are filled with young players and don't have enough experience and still they don't haven't reached in the level of wining a world cup.
Similar is Afghanistan, young and energetic players but they can't compete with the class action of established ODI teams.

I am not sure BCCI has anything to do with the reduction of teams playing in the world cup, you need to have an entertainment format in world tournaments, we all know what happened in 2007 world cup which had many teams including six associate member teams and it was a boring and long tournament and ICC might have learned from that experience and wanted only competitive cricket and you cannot blame as you do not want to see one sided match all day long.