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Quote from: Smack That Ace on October 11, 2022, 10:38:56 AM

I am sure that even though it feels like Green is a hothead, this guy is actually good at defending. But the problem with him is that he does not pose any kind of attacking threat at all. And he is only effective while attacking if he has the ball in his hands. Otherwise, he does not cause any problems for the opponent while attacking.

Draymond Green going to the Lakers is not going to be a good move for the Lakers in my opinion. That's exactly what I just said right now. He is not effective in the offense. And he is also not a necessity for the likers at this moment I believe.

I am sure that a lot of teams are going to want to get Green on the team. But the Lakers are not one of them. I think Brooklyn NETS might be a good destination for Green. The Nets might let Joe Harris and another player go to get Green. But I am just assuming.

Depends on the contract situation. Westbrook only has one year left, and so does Green if I am not wrong, which means that by the end of the year we are going to see both of them being fired or at least hired for much much cheaper.

But, Lebron is not getting any younger neither, sure he is going to be a good player even at 40, but to expect him to deliver a ring to Lakers all over again after 37-38 is something too much to ask from him, not impossible but would be very very tough, and I think even he would rather have someone better. So, it's clear that Green is not that guy, at the start of the year there was a talk between Irving-Westbrook trade, that's what they needed.

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Quote from: TravelMug on October 11, 2022, 04:01:23 PM

I can't recall if GSW management have been talking about Green extension or Poole. They just kept quiet about it, although we talk about Green wanting more or like close to max extension if he will stay with them. But this incident for sure will affect the Warriors decision. He had broken the pact and the video surfacing might have affected Jordan Poole's mindset as well and for sure this dram will continue.

You're right. This incident will probably affect the Warriors' decision. It's worth noting that Warriors management had been very loyal to Green, and the Warriors could probably be the only team who could offer Green a big or max contract, even if he didn't deserve it. By the way, it's a fun fact that there are already rumors that Green might be in the Lakers next season.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 11, 2022, 06:03:36 PM

Scary moment for the Charlotte Hornets today as LaMelo Ball screamed out in pain driving to the lane. It looked like a bad ankle injury, which it was, but doctors just confirmed it’s a sprain so he’ll be back before too long. He is expected to miss the first few games of the year but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s ready to go for the start of the season.

It looked so bad with the way he screamed and limped. He was able to get up and walked on his own as if it nothing happened so I expected him to be okay. It will probably take him a couple of weeks to completely recover.

Rolling your ankle from landing or stepping on someone else's foot is one of the worst things that could happen on the court. You would be considered lucky with just a sprain.

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Scary moment for the Charlotte Hornets today as LaMelo Ball screamed out in pain driving to the lane. It looked like a bad ankle injury, which it was, but doctors just confirmed it’s a sprain so he’ll be back before too long. He is expected to miss the first few games of the year but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s ready to go for the start of the season.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 11, 2022, 03:39:35 PM

I'm taking a look at the over under for wins this year and looking at the Knicks it seems low in my head. High 30s (38.5), they had that last year and added a good point guard in jalen brunson. They didn't have a pg last year which should easily add a coue wins. And the young guys have another year under theor belt and didn't lose anyone too impactful. Randle had a down year. I'm not saying they are competing for anything significant but they have a way better shot hitting the over than the under on this. Am I just being a Homer fan? I can see them split the difference and hit low 40s, if luck is on the side maybe mid to high 40s?

I think you could probably expect to have a similar win total as last year, only needing 1.5 more wins with these things that have changed, I'd say is a decent bet. But then again I don't know the Knicks like you do and perhaps you are being a homer, I wouldn't know for sure lol.

The Bulls win total is ugly. They've got it at 41.5 after having 46 wins last year. Which I guess is fair being that the Bulls don't know yet what they're getting w/Ball, or if he even ends up playing at all in 2023 (which is sickening and pretty much ruins the season for me. Not that I expected them to win it all w/him, but still, at least we'd get to see what the Bulls are really like at full health).

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Maybe for now yes he has a good contribution to the team but what about for next succeeding years? For sure his game play will decline more and leadership will not totally help their team for more longer times since for sure its just a waste of their asset to spend a huge contract for a possible bench warmer. Green is 32 years old and giving max contract is not totally worth for the management

Yeah, it's almost impossible for old player to stay in basketball since every year there's a young generation who's more aggressive and fast that would outplayed old player. In the next few years he will get replaced by Jonathan Kuminga.

That's why maybe GSW management is thinking more deeply if they want to spend a lot of money just to sign him since he will might lose a lot since they have Poole which is so young and Looney which is more valuable for their money. So most provably the chance of green to get the contract he want is so slim especially right now he's facing a big controversy which most likely will affect his request.

I can't recall if GSW management have been talking about Green extension or Poole. They just kept quiet about it, although we talk about Green wanting more or like close to max extension if he will stay with them. But this incident for sure will affect the Warriors decision. He had broken the pact and the video surfacing might have affected Jordan Poole's mindset as well and for sure this dram will continue.

Yeah, the way GSW handling the case shows that the management is not into something that they might regret in the

long run, they are analysing the situation and preventing any damaging publicities even there are
Interviews and writeup with Green's demands. It's difficult to let go someone who is part of your
core from that last season title, but for sure they will come up with decision and they will provide
details and update to why the decision has been made.

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Maybe for now yes he has a good contribution to the team but what about for next succeeding years? For sure his game play will decline more and leadership will not totally help their team for more longer times since for sure its just a waste of their asset to spend a huge contract for a possible bench warmer. Green is 32 years old and giving max contract is not totally worth for the management

Yeah, it's almost impossible for old player to stay in basketball since every year there's a young generation who's more aggressive and fast that would outplayed old player. In the next few years he will get replaced by Jonathan Kuminga.

That's why maybe GSW management is thinking more deeply if they want to spend a lot of money just to sign him since he will might lose a lot since they have Poole which is so young and Looney which is more valuable for their money. So most provably the chance of green to get the contract he want is so slim especially right now he's facing a big controversy which most likely will affect his request.

I can't recall if GSW management have been talking about Green extension or Poole. They just kept quiet about it, although we talk about Green wanting more or like close to max extension if he will stay with them. But this incident for sure will affect the Warriors decision. He had broken the pact and the video surfacing might have affected Jordan Poole's mindset as well and for sure this dram will continue.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 11, 2022, 03:39:35 PM

I'm taking a look at the over under for wins this year and looking at the Knicks it seems low in my head. High 30s (38.5), they had that last year and added a good point guard in jalen brunson. They didn't have a pg last year which should easily add a coue wins. And the young guys have another year under theor belt and didn't lose anyone too impactful. Randle had a down year. I'm not saying they are competing for anything significant but they have a way better shot hitting the over than the under on this. Am I just being a Homer fan? I can see them split the difference and hit low 40s, if luck is on the side maybe mid to high 40s?

Hard to predict mate, I guess we will have to see Randle's game first, I'm not worry about Jalen's play, for sure he will contribute big to the Knicks. However, after a stellar season for Julie prior to last year, his performance goes down hard last year. I'm sure you know as a Knicks fans that he was even booed as MSG. And they see him as their leader but again very inconsistent. So everything start from him. If he had another MVP numbers this season, then easy 40+ for them.

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I'm taking a look at the over under for wins this year and looking at the Knicks it seems low in my head. High 30s (38.5), they had that last year and added a good point guard in jalen brunson. They didn't have a pg last year which should easily add a coue wins. And the young guys have another year under theor belt and didn't lose anyone too impactful. Randle had a down year. I'm not saying they are competing for anything significant but they have a way better shot hitting the over than the under on this. Am I just being a Homer fan? I can see them split the difference and hit low 40s, if luck is on the side maybe mid to high 40s?

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If Jordan Poole's family gets involved, then it's going to be a different story on Draymond and the whole NBA itself. It's going to be a precedence if I'm not mistaken.

We have heard about Michael Jordan and Steve Kerr incident wherein it was reported that Michael punch Steve.

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“It made me look at myself and say, ‘You know what? You’re really being an idiot about this whole process,'” Jordan recalled, via Chicago sports historian Jack M Silverstein. “I knew I had to be more respectful of my teammates.”

Jordan called Kerr after punching him to apologize. The two talked it out, and their trust went to another level. MJ knew he crossed the line, and it presumably meant a lot to Kerr for the most significant player in the game to call him to say he’s sorry.

https://www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-called-himself-idiot-punching-steve-kerr-knew-change/

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Quote from: Japinat on October 11, 2022, 12:23:56 PM

But Jordan Poole's family is looking at the opposite direction and wanted to sue Draymond Green because of his lack of unprofessionalism. Green's reasons doesn't change anything because it was his own fault as he brought his problems in their practice, now he got to pay the price because Poole's family is taking some legal action.

I've seen this news and while many have thought that the two were okay already. Here goes the news that Poole's family is pursuing to file a case against Draymond.
Well, that's a real family there that won't tolerate such violence that has been done to their family member. It's now on Poole's family if they're going to let it pass or if Draymond apologize to them for what he's done even though he's already said it.
It's always been a different approach when it's your family that has to deal with it.

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While Draymond spends time away from the team, I was surprised to see Jordan Poole back in action today against the Lakers. They lost by 3 but Poole put up 25 and had a nice highlight. Anthony Davis and Kendrick Nunn had big games though. Great to see Nunn back. He was the missing piece last year that caused them to be so bad.

Jordan Poole surprised me with his performance...despite being a preseason game, he played so good and had an impressive performance against the Lakers!

I may even be talking some nonsense or something like that, but if Pooler stays with this performance, I even imagine that he could be an AllStar in his future, of course this is just a presumption on my part.

Let's see if he can keep up with that performance during the regular season.

Aside from the fact that he really have some skills, he is doing everything he could and bring a good performance even if it was just a pre-season game because he is aiming for the Warriors to give him an extension. I mean, any team could probably give him the figure he wanted because he is really a superstar in the making but only the Warriors these days can help him to have more rings in the future.

Only Warriors who can decide if they will give him the contract that he wanted, and yes, it's true that if in anyhow warriors will not
grant it and let him be available for a trade,

Other team will surely grab that opportunities and give him the contract might be possible that he will be offered much higher
with the skills that he is showing now, interest from other teams is no longer a secret.

For now, it will be on the Warriors decision making if what will they do with regard to Poole's contract.

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And I have seen bad rumors about a trade too.
Draymond and Wiseman to Atlanta Hawks for Capela and John Collins

That would be a good move for the Warriors management after the incident. I mean the matter may have been contained for now but I doubt this would be forgotten. It may escalate at a later time so I don't think it's ideal to keep them together.

Draymond may be a valuable asset to the team but he's the most replaceable out of the three core.

A good move to avoid a possible altercation in the future but when it comes to their strength, trading Green doesn't benefit the team because they won't be having a reliable center anymore. Joe Lacob and Bob Myers also spoke about the altercation, they are just considering to give a Green a suspension and not a trade.

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Draymond may be a valuable asset to the team but he's the most replaceable out of the three core.

Because he is the oldest and his age figure might affect the team but as I said, the franchise is not looking to trade him without getting a reliable replacement, so it's safe to assume that he will stay remain a Warrior for now.

Draymond plays a strong role on the team, but he's also a pretty huge liability. As he's aged his shooting has gotten worse, making him a much less dangerous player. I think they've got a good up and coming center in Wiseman, so I think they could stand to lose Draymond. The problem is that he's making a ton of money and wants to make more, and everyone knows he would be much less valuable on any other team because of the way the Warriors harness his unique skillset. Honestly, even without the incident they'd probably be better off trading him and trying to find someone else to set screens before he's completely worthless on the trading block. As it is I don't see them getting much more than a few draft picks from the Lakers next year in a sign and trade. Even then he'll be Westbrook part II.

Yes, Draymond Green is no doubt plays a huge role on the team's defense and offense, but that is already a history and a story because his situation now is much different when he is still an asset on the team. He cannot possibly outsmart the franchise by threatening them to leave the team if he cannot have what he wanted, these days, Green is not a loss if he will decide to leave. The team is prioritizing the future generations that is looking hot recently just like how the other teams in the league would do.

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I don't know why the Warriors haven't found the time to find and train the future replacement of Draymond Green, they sure know that Green is already old and so he can't be that reliable anymore in the years to come. This might be his last season because Green have said in the past weeks that he is leaving the team if the Warriors wouldn't give him what he wants, well he had the right to demand but he should also understand that it's not a win-win situation for him and the franchise.

That is true. He did say that but most of us think that he does not deserve a max contract right now. I just do not know what GSW management thinks about it.

I think they are grooming Wiseman as their young core who probably will replace Green.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 10, 2022, 10:35:32 AM

I'm expecting a competition this upcoming season for both Poole and Green as it's a battle of max contract.

If I am right, GSW has until Oct 17 to offer Jordan Poole the max rookie extension. If they don't, Poole will be a restricted free agent next season.

If they don't offer Poole a max, then the max might probably go to Draymond. Unless GSW will pull something like what the Suns did to Ayton. Wait for team offers to Poole and match them. They will get Poole back at a cheaper price. But it may backfire because Poole might feel cheated like how Ayton is right now.

Green is just full of himself right now claiming that he deserve to have a max contract at his age even if his stats are not that high enough compared to the past 2 or 3 years. I bet that the Warriors won't give him what he wanted and just offer a 2-year extension but Green will sign it anyway because there's a high chance that he can't get a team that will sign him if he will reject the offer. Rumors are saying that the Heat might get him but we know the real score that it's not that serious.

Quote from: Jating on October 10, 2022, 03:19:37 PM

Apology has been issues by Green and he take responsibility all the responsibility and admit his fault and his failure as a leader. And then it was hinted that Green had have issues outside of the court, whether it's personal or something that he has been carrying deep inside that suddenly break and snap and as a result that infamous punch that heard around the world. But so far we don't know who released that video and I would say the Warriors know that, because he/she has access to their trainer facility.

But Jordan Poole's family is looking at the opposite direction and wanted to sue Draymond Green because of his lack of unprofessionalism. Green's reasons doesn't change anything because it was his own fault as he brought his problems in their practice, now he got to pay the price because Poole's family is taking some legal action.

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While Draymond spends time away from the team, I was surprised to see Jordan Poole back in action today against the Lakers. They lost by 3 but Poole put up 25 and had a nice highlight. Anthony Davis and Kendrick Nunn had big games though. Great to see Nunn back. He was the missing piece last year that caused them to be so bad.

Jordan Poole surprised me with his performance...despite being a preseason game, he played so good and had an impressive performance against the Lakers!

I may even be talking some nonsense or something like that, but if Pooler stays with this performance, I even imagine that he could be an AllStar in his future, of course this is just a presumption on my part.

Let's see if he can keep up with that performance during the regular season.

Aside from the fact that he really have some skills, he is doing everything he could and bring a good performance even if it was just a pre-season game because he is aiming for the Warriors to give him an extension. I mean, any team could probably give him the figure he wanted because he is really a superstar in the making but only the Warriors these days can help him to have more rings in the future.

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I am sure that a lot of teams are going to want to get Green on the team. But the Lakers are not one of them. I think Brooklyn NETS might be a good destination for Green. The Nets might let Joe Harris and another player go to get Green. But I am just assuming.

The Brooklyn Nets will mess up what they worked hard for at putting Simmons, Kyrie, and KD in good form if they bring him in. I don't think they will add another piece to that roster that could break their chemistry or whatever leadership they already agreed with.

I don't think the Nets have any real interest in Green. Besides him being a 1-year rental for them at this point, he doesn't mesh well with the team they've built. His game is a perfect match for Steph and Klay because they can both change the game coming off screens for quick shots. The Nets have guys that all create their own shot, so I don't expect that many of their attempts will be made off screens. They're also not a run and gun type of team where Draymond's smaller size for his position plays an advantage. I think a better pairing would be the Lakers waiting until the offseason to see if they can get Green and Buddy Hield for cheap.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on October 11, 2022, 10:38:56 AM

I am sure that even though it feels like Green is a hothead, this guy is actually good at defending. But the problem with him is that he does not pose any kind of attacking threat at all. And he is only effective while attacking if he has the ball in his hands. Otherwise, he does not cause any problems for the opponent while attacking.

That's correct, his offense even just a lay-up can be a miss, we have seen that many times. He does mistakes whenever the play is not working.
I am not against him because he did a mistake, for me, he's still a necessity if the Warriors want to be a winner again.
But, we also have never seen if the Warriors can push it through without him. Maybe they can with Poole on their side if ever this won't work out.

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I am sure that a lot of teams are going to want to get Green on the team. But the Lakers are not one of them. I think Brooklyn NETS might be a good destination for Green. The Nets might let Joe Harris and another player go to get Green. But I am just assuming.

The Brooklyn Nets will mess up what they worked hard for at putting Simmons, Kyrie, and KD in good form if they bring him in. I don't think they will add another piece to that roster that could break their chemistry or whatever leadership they already agreed with.

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I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.

Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/

He is asking for a max contract with the Warriors, and they declined.
Green wants to play with the Lakers, but if the Warriors will trade him, which players will they get in exchange.
I watched the interview with him and Perk on Youtube and it seems that Green might be traded next year. Well, I think the Warriors will benefit if they trade him because they already have Wiggins which is younger and is also very good defensively and we saw it last playoffs. Many teams want Green because of how he can defend players so if the Warriors trade him, many teams will give offers to them for sure.

I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.

I am sure that even though it feels like Green is a hothead, this guy is actually good at defending. But the problem with him is that he does not pose any kind of attacking threat at all. And he is only effective while attacking if he has the ball in his hands. Otherwise, he does not cause any problems for the opponent while attacking.

Draymond Green going to the Lakers is not going to be a good move for the Lakers in my opinion. That's exactly what I just said right now. He is not effective in the offense. And he is also not a necessity for the likers at this moment I believe.

I am sure that a lot of teams are going to want to get Green on the team. But the Lakers are not one of them. I think Brooklyn NETS might be a good destination for Green. The Nets might let Joe Harris and another player go to get Green. But I am just assuming.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 01:09:30 AM

I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.

They are good. There is no bad blood between the two. I think I read before that Green and Lebron were vacationing together. And if the Lakers is willing to take Draymond, I think him and Lebron will be quite good together. And if AD is with them as well, I just do not know how good the Lakers will be.

Quote from: Kelvinid on October 11, 2022, 03:44:35 AM

Green will never be a leader, I believe it is Curry who is the leader for the Warriors. We don't know what happened inside but for sure what happened will never be forgotten by Poole and if there's a chance that he will get a maximum contract, he will surely leave the Warriors, same with Draymond Green I believe.

Green facilitates the offense of the Warriors whenever he is on the court. In a way, he is a leader in GSW. Let's not take that away from him.

Well, if Poole cannot forgive Draymond and cannot work with him anymore, maybe one of them will be out of the Warriors sooner than later. It will just disrupt the flow of the team if they cannot work together. It will be bad for the team.

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This is tough for GSW because Green is valuable asset to them since he provide quality defense and assist to their main shooters for them to create score and also he's presence in court gives huge impact to them.

While Poole most likely to be the future of GSW since he has huge potential due to his skills show for their past games. He is projected to replace Curry once the baby face assassin retires.

It is a problem for them from the start anyway. Poole is qualified for a max extension and Green is also asking for a max as well. GSW cannot pay both of them though. So, whether Green agrees to lower pay or one of them will have to go. Even without the punching incident, GSW is bound to choose from Poole or Green to retain or let go.

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Maybe for now yes he has a good contribution to the team but what about for next succeeding years? For sure his game play will decline more and leadership will not totally help their team for more longer times since for sure its just a waste of their asset to spend a huge contract for a possible bench warmer. Green is 32 years old and giving max contract is not totally worth for the management

Yeah, it's almost impossible for old player to stay in basketball since every year there's a young generation who's more aggressive and fast that would outplayed old player. In the next few years he will get replaced by Jonathan Kuminga.

That's why maybe GSW management is thinking more deeply if they want to spend a lot of money just to sign him since he will might lose a lot since they have Poole which is so young and Looney which is more valuable for their money. So most provably the chance of green to get the contract he want is so slim especially right now he's facing a big controversy which most likely will affect his request.

Interesting to know if they will weight it out and if who will be the deserving for the max contract.

Like what you said, Green's chance to sign his demand contract is slimmer since they have a lot of talents who are also deserving
for such increase, money wise GSW will play their cards here, and for sure they can come up with another good deal the way
they take Wiggins and convert him to become a good two-way player.

This is tough for GSW because Green is valuable asset to them since he provide quality defense and assist to their main shooters for them to create score and also he's presence in court gives huge impact to them.

While Poole most likely to be the future of GSW since he has huge potential due to his skills show for their past games. He is projected to replace Curry once the baby face assassin retires.

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