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October 11, 2022, 06:55:43 AM
Maybe for now yes he has a good contribution to the team but what about for next succeeding years? For sure his game play will decline more and leadership will not totally help their team for more longer times since for sure its just a waste of their asset to spend a huge contract for a possible bench warmer. Green is 32 years old and giving max contract is not totally worth for the management
Yeah, it's almost impossible for old player to stay in basketball since every year there's a young generation who's more aggressive and fast that would outplayed old player. In the next few years he will get replaced by Jonathan Kuminga.

That's why maybe GSW management is thinking more deeply if they want to spend a lot of money just to sign him since he will might lose a lot since they have Poole which is so young and Looney which is more valuable for their money. So most provably the chance of green to get the contract he want is so slim especially right now he's facing a big controversy which most likely will affect his request.


Interesting to know if they will weight it out and if who will be the deserving for the max contract.

Like what you said, Green's chance to sign his demand contract is slimmer since they have a lot of talents who are also deserving
for such increase, money wise GSW will play their cards here, and for sure they can come up with another good deal the way
they take Wiggins and convert him to become a good two-way player.
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October 11, 2022, 04:57:34 AM
Maybe for now yes he has a good contribution to the team but what about for next succeeding years? For sure his game play will decline more and leadership will not totally help their team for more longer times since for sure its just a waste of their asset to spend a huge contract for a possible bench warmer. Green is 32 years old and giving max contract is not totally worth for the management
Yeah, it's almost impossible for old player to stay in basketball since every year there's a young generation who's more aggressive and fast that would outplayed old player. In the next few years he will get replaced by Jonathan Kuminga.

That's why maybe GSW management is thinking more deeply if they want to spend a lot of money just to sign him since he will might lose a lot since they have Poole which is so young and Looney which is more valuable for their money. So most provably the chance of green to get the contract he want is so slim especially right now he's facing a big controversy which most likely will affect his request.
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October 11, 2022, 03:44:35 AM
I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.
What happened in the game always stayed there. We can see that when they play All-Star, they are back to being good friends and Lebron was also there at Draymond Green's wedding. Remember? That's all in the past, outside the court they are brothers once again.
I believe the main problem will always be the leadership, you cannot have both alpha males in a team for it may ruin the teamwork.
Brooklyn Nets is a good example of it.
The Lakers would take him but I expect there will be an agreement that Lebron should lead.


Green will never be a leader, I believe it is Curry who is the leader for the Warriors. We don't know what happened inside but for sure what happened will never be forgotten by Poole and if there's a chance that he will get a maximum contract, he will surely leave the Warriors, same with Draymond Green I believe.
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October 11, 2022, 02:38:57 AM
I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.
What happened in the game always stayed there. We can see that when they play All-Star, they are back to being good friends and Lebron was also there at Draymond Green's wedding. Remember? That's all in the past, outside the court they are brothers once again.
I believe the main problem will always be the leadership, you cannot have both alpha males in a team for it may ruin the teamwork.
Brooklyn Nets is a good example of it.
The Lakers would take him but I expect there will be an agreement that Lebron should lead.
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October 11, 2022, 01:27:22 AM

I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.

It would be awkward to play with him. Westbrook is fine no matter how unlucky he is right now, he doesn't hold any grudge against his current teammates and also they don't hold him accountable for what happened last season because they played as hard as possible they could. Now since they will gonna play with some small fixed in their line-up this season, it's really better than trading Westbrook and acquiring Green as if he has the skill to push the Lakers to win a championship again. Westbrook will be different this season because of the embarrassment he suffered last time.
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October 11, 2022, 01:09:30 AM
I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/


He is asking for a max contract with the Warriors, and they declined.
Green wants to play with the Lakers, but if the Warriors will trade him, which players will they get in exchange.

I watched the interview with him and Perk on Youtube and it seems that Green might be traded next year. Well, I think the Warriors will benefit if they trade him because they already have Wiggins which is younger and is also very good defensively and we saw it last playoffs. Many teams want Green because of how he can defend players so if the Warriors trade him, many teams will give offers to them for sure.

I think the Lakers would not trade Westbrook for him, they have already Davis and Lebron, and they need a real point guard that is also willing to attack. Lebron and Green will not be a good teammate I believe, they had history back in the finals before when Green kicked Lebron in the groin which resulted in one game suspension of Green.
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October 11, 2022, 12:49:45 AM
I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/


He is asking for a max contract with the Warriors, and they declined.
Green wants to play with the Lakers, but if the Warriors will trade him, which players will they get in exchange.

I watched the interview with him and Perk on Youtube and it seems that Green might be traded next year. Well, I think the Warriors will benefit if they trade him because they already have Wiggins which is younger and is also very good defensively and we saw it last playoffs. Many teams want Green because of how he can defend players so if the Warriors trade him, many teams will give offers to them for sure.
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October 10, 2022, 11:43:21 PM
I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/

People have been saying that.  Green has a lot of say in what happens to him because he has a player option for next year.  I think anybody that trades for him would have to consider him gone at the end of the year unless they want to overpay to keep him around.  The Lakers are in a pretty good spot because they know Green wants to play for them and he's managed by Clutch, so him resigning with the Lakers would be a done deal.  If they could get him for cheap a year earlier than expected because of this drama, it would be a huge win for the Lakers and Green.
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October 10, 2022, 11:28:06 PM
I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/

Yes. There is still a high possibility that their chemistry will be restored as before but as you mentioned, there's a stain already and we will see how it goes from here.

After the incident, I also heard a lot of rumors about Draymond Green getting shipped. Early this morning I was scrolling through some news and I saw a post with Jimmy Butler mentioning that Miami Heat's defense will be different if Green joins them. And there is also Green wearing a Dallas Mavericks jersey. Maybe some teams are now starting to offer the Warriors for Green.
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October 10, 2022, 07:40:20 PM
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The team's best defense is on their offense anyway so anyone who could protect the paint and hustle for the team is a good alternative. OgNasty already said Green doesn't have that same offensive threat so I think Capela is a decent replacement for Green.

I don't expect it to happen before the new season starts. It could be on the next trade window.
I cannot see the Warriors wanting to trade Green unless he gets pissed if they don't give him a max deal. While he is an asshole and a hothead, he also gets under players skin and throws off their game along with being a top tier defender. He's well worth keeping i'm just not sure he's worth max money.
Maybe still worth keeping him for the upcoming season but the next one will be a completely different story. His style of roughing up and trash talking opposing players may have worked in the past but I think it's becoming less and less effective.

He and his agent would likely push for a max contract. I don't think his ego would let him settle for less.

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Green hasn't been a great player for a long time now. I mean he was good by 2016 but since then he hasn't been as good as he used to be, those days when he had little points but a lot of rebounds and assists and played amazing on defence are long gone, he is bad at almost everything.
That's probably why he improved his trash talking game hehe.
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October 10, 2022, 07:38:32 PM
I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
Hopefully, their old way of interventing to each other is back. But I guess there's already a stain and it's not that quick to be gone. Well, as for Draymond's status.

Stephen Smith said that Green wants to play for the Lakers. This news is out just a few hours ago.

News: https://lakeshowlife.com/2022/10/10/draymond-green-wants-join-lakers-stephen-smith/

legendary
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October 10, 2022, 06:57:59 PM

Green hasn't been a great player for a long time now. I mean he was good by 2016 but since then he hasn't been as good as he used to be, those days when he had little points but a lot of rebounds and assists and played amazing on defence are long gone, he is bad at almost everything

Draymond Green is nothing without his desired teammates, the splash brothers, and the other championship core during their dominance. To cover his lack of good performance, he's now becoming the advisor of their young cores but sometimes, there's might be a time that he is below the belt.

I know Green already realized what he did wrong. He apologized to Poole already. That's the start of forming much-good chemistry between him and Poole.
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October 10, 2022, 06:14:58 PM
^^ I really thought that this could be a big issue for the Warriors team.

But according to Moody, after the incidence, Jordan Poole continue with his own practice for 2 hours. So that is kind of mindset that the Warriors want to see from him and not going to the media and bad mouth Green. And Draymond already made a public apology so maybe the team itself is glad that something positive is already happening from the background and put their difference aside.

Yeah they are professionals making a ton of money so easy to go back to work.  But these things come out in wierd ways, not setting a pick as hard as you would have, make an open pass to that player when you should have.  Definitely must watch TV when they open the season against the lakers.

Just funny though that Ja Morant, the one that they face in the playoff and words between Ja have been thrown out, and now Ja make a tweet about the incident and telling the public that Green did it to move to the Lakers, hehehe. Green didn't respond but have issues his apologized to Jordan and his family and the whole Warriors team and organization. But for sure Green didn't forget that comment and once he got to play them, there will be some animosity as they have history already. There is no word from the Warriors about Green being suspended in his first game so let's see.

Speaking of Ja Morant and his tweets..the guy is a world class basketball player and I could see him easily being good enough to win more than one most valuable player award is his time in the NBA, but he’s a bit a punk. Not a huge fan of the way he acts in general. Dude sure seems to love himself.

Maybe I’m just misreading him or something but he sure seems to love him some Ja, which I find unbecoming.
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October 10, 2022, 03:27:31 PM
In the wake of the infamous Green and Poole incident, it is encouraging to see Poole back in action against the Lakers. But to be honest it was only one punch. I knew right away that Green was going to suffer a lot because of this. It is clear that Poole's game is improving as time goes on.

The match between the Lakers and the Warriors was a good one. The performance from Poole was really good. While Anthony Davis played a stellar game for the Lakers. We are watching some entertaining pre-season matches at the moment. This makes me wonder how fun the actual season is going to be this time.

Injury prevention is one of the most critical things for the Lakers. They will likely be able to go far this season if they are able to avoid injuries.
Green hasn't been a great player for a long time now. I mean he was good by 2016 but since then he hasn't been as good as he used to be, those days when he had little points but a lot of rebounds and assists and played amazing on defence are long gone, he is bad at almost everything.

One thing was him being a good vocal leader of the team, Curry was never the leader type, he just wanted to have fun, and Green took care of that for him, but with this move I think he showed that he can't lead anyone anymore neither. Which is why I doubt that he would be getting a good deal, he will probably get a bad deal and would be forced to either take it, or reject and realize no other team would offer something bigger in the hard way.
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October 10, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
^^ I really thought that this could be a big issue for the Warriors team.

But according to Moody, after the incidence, Jordan Poole continue with his own practice for 2 hours. So that is kind of mindset that the Warriors want to see from him and not going to the media and bad mouth Green. And Draymond already made a public apology so maybe the team itself is glad that something positive is already happening from the background and put their difference aside.
So that's quick and they're good again? After that heavy hook that Draymond has made to Poole, they just let it pass and Poole continued his own practice.
There are fans that would like to see some disciplinary action for Draymond because he's the one who became too aggressive and Poole was likely the victim.
But anyway, if things are already good for them then there's no need to worry about both of them since Draymond has apologized publicly and the management and Poole is okay with it.

I bet the franchise is pulling some strings to keep the issue behind and let the time cool it down but the fans wouldn't let them as long Green didn't received his punishment. Warrior's CEO is thinking about giving Green a suspension but Gen. Manager, Bob Myers, is looking the opposite way and it's expected that Green would go out and give a public apology because it's either he was ordered to do so or he is that worried that he may not receive an extension. Either way, the Warrior's locker room wouldn't be the same anymore because of the beef.

Apology has been issues by Green and he take responsibility all the responsibility and admit his fault and his failure as a leader. And then it was hinted that Green had have issues outside of the court, whether it's personal or something that he has been carrying deep inside that suddenly break and snap and as a result that infamous punch that heard around the world. But so far we don't know who released that video and I would say the Warriors know that, because he/she has access to their trainer facility.
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October 10, 2022, 03:07:29 PM
^^ I really thought that this could be a big issue for the Warriors team.

But according to Moody, after the incidence, Jordan Poole continue with his own practice for 2 hours. So that is kind of mindset that the Warriors want to see from him and not going to the media and bad mouth Green. And Draymond already made a public apology so maybe the team itself is glad that something positive is already happening from the background and put their difference aside.

Yeah they are professionals making a ton of money so easy to go back to work.  But these things come out in wierd ways, not setting a pick as hard as you would have, make an open pass to that player when you should have.  Definitely must watch TV when they open the season against the lakers.

Just funny though that Ja Morant, the one that they face in the playoff and words between Ja have been thrown out, and now Ja make a tweet about the incident and telling the public that Green did it to move to the Lakers, hehehe. Green didn't respond but have issues his apologized to Jordan and his family and the whole Warriors team and organization. But for sure Green didn't forget that comment and once he got to play them, there will be some animosity as they have history already. There is no word from the Warriors about Green being suspended in his first game so let's see.
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October 10, 2022, 02:19:20 PM
^^ I really thought that this could be a big issue for the Warriors team.

But according to Moody, after the incidence, Jordan Poole continue with his own practice for 2 hours. So that is kind of mindset that the Warriors want to see from him and not going to the media and bad mouth Green. And Draymond already made a public apology so maybe the team itself is glad that something positive is already happening from the background and put their difference aside.

Yeah they are professionals making a ton of money so easy to go back to work.  But these things come out in wierd ways, not setting a pick as hard as you would have, make an open pass to that player when you should have.  Definitely must watch TV when they open the season against the lakers.
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October 10, 2022, 01:33:48 PM
I don't know why the Warriors haven't found the time to find and train the future replacement of Draymond Green, they sure know that Green is already old and so he can't be that reliable anymore in the years to come. This might be his last season because Green have said in the past weeks that he is leaving the team if the Warriors wouldn't give him what he wants, well he had the right to demand but he should also understand that it's not a win-win situation for him and the franchise.

That is true. He did say that but most of us think that he does not deserve a max contract right now. I just do not know what GSW management thinks about it.

I think they are grooming Wiseman as their young core who probably will replace Green.

I'm expecting a competition this upcoming season for both Poole and Green as it's a battle of max contract.
If I am right, GSW has until Oct 17 to offer Jordan Poole the max rookie extension. If they don't, Poole will be a restricted free agent next season.

If they don't offer Poole a max, then the max might probably go to Draymond. Unless GSW will pull something like what the Suns did to Ayton. Wait for team offers to Poole and match them. They will get Poole back at a cheaper price. But it may backfire because Poole might feel cheated like how Ayton is right now.

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October 10, 2022, 01:31:35 PM
Why are you surprised? last year was a break thorough performance already, even with Klay Thompson back in the team, he still perform way above, he even beat Steph in FT percentage this year.

And yes, if he remains consistent this year, him and Wiggins will fight it out to be included in All Star. Wiggins got his first last year and then others question it. But he proved his critics wrong in the playoffs with huge game. We might see that to Poole this year.
Poole is a good player, and I don't deny that. But I believe his style of play is different from an AllStar. Poole is very consistent and when his teammates needed his help, he was there to help.

I don't know if he is a player with a lot of impact on the team (not collectively but individually speaking).
I analyzed some of his statistics and found the one of his main attributes is in fact his consistency, a technical feature rare to find in some players these days
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October 10, 2022, 12:53:21 PM
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And I have seen bad rumors about a trade too.
Draymond and Wiseman to Atlanta Hawks for Capela and John Collins
That would be a good move for the Warriors management after the incident. I mean the matter may have been contained for now but I doubt this would be forgotten. It may escalate at a later time so I don't think it's ideal to keep them together.

Draymond may be a valuable asset to the team but he's the most replaceable out of the three core.

A good move to avoid a possible altercation in the future but when it comes to their strength, trading Green doesn't benefit the team because they won't be having a reliable center anymore. Joe Lacob and Bob Myers also spoke about the altercation, they are just considering to give a Green a suspension and not a trade.
The team's best defense is on their offense anyway so anyone who could protect the paint and hustle for the team is a good alternative. OgNasty already said Green doesn't have that same offensive threat so I think Capela is a decent replacement for Green.

I don't expect it to happen before the new season starts. It could be on the next trade window.

I hope they are considering to get Capela next because Green's age is running and the Warriors will be vulnerable in the center without a reliable big man. Aside from that, I heard James Wiseman has returned and played recently in the summer league, they should nurture him as well because his height and skills can be put to use inside the paint.
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