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October 15, 2022, 07:03:25 AM
Agree with that, it seemed like the consequence is very light, it was a clear violence, he should be suspended at a very least. Well, that's how NBA works,  the system is not fair as it favors more to players whom they think is very valuable to a team.
It is. I thought they are clear about how strict they are with the rules, but it seems like they are short on this one case about Draymond Green.
Anyway, he will be back in the roster, and it was said in reports that him and Poole already talked. I wish there won't be another incident like this and Green have learned his lesson. There will be eyes everywhere and he should be careful about his sudden uncontrollable anger.

The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.


If there's no sincere forgiveness for each other, then that will create a chemistry problem. Warriors are great and one of the reasons is their good chemistry. Soon we will witness the regular season, so let's just see if the team was really affected with that incident.

I've watched their game today, though i did not managed to finish it, but I can say their team chemistry did not get affected by the issue with Green and Poole. They played well both offensively and defensively despite of the loss against the Nuggets. So, many fake news and fake rumors circulating in the internet today regarding Draymond trade, but no I don't think the Warriors would do that. They look great this season with a couple of guys stepping up their game, and the chances of the repeat this year is quite high.
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October 15, 2022, 06:48:02 AM
Just like what happened with DeMarcus Cousins. Injuries after injury made him less valuable and even today he is having a hard time finding a team.

One of the worst things that happened in a player's history regarding the possibility of getting a good contract.

That year, I remember that he was already expecting a max contract in the off-season not just with the New Orleans Pelicans but on other teams as well. Unfortunately, the injury came and from there, he didn't have a chance now to taste a very good contract until his value depreciate up to this point.

I hope the Denver Nuggets can give him another shot even for 1-year basis.

As long as he remained healthy, he can still be a good asset coming off the bench.
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October 15, 2022, 01:15:03 AM
In any case, if the Pelicans want to perform well this season, they'll need to find a way to keep Zion safe from those kinds of injuries.

Is there any thing that the Pelicans can do to keep Zion safe?

It's already on Zion to make that possible.

Even the Pelicans can put Zion on load management to reduce the risks of being injured, what if at the time he decided to play, the injury happened? Aside from that, if the Pelicans, let's say have a hard time catching up with the standings next season to keep their playoff spot, they need all the help they can get and that includes allowing Zion to play no matter what.
I worry more when the worst comes. Another bad injury will mean a lot of things for other teams to think he will not be worth the money anymore.
Just like what happened with DeMarcus Cousins. Injuries after injury made him less valuable and even today he is having a hard time finding a team.
https://sports.yahoo.com/demarcus-cousins-admits-mistakes-as-he-pursues-nba-comeback-just-asking-for-a-chance-to-show-my-growth-161331965.html
Even at this stage.
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DeMarcus Cousins, a four-time NBA All-Star, is arguably the most talented free agent remaining on the market.

It will all be on Zion. That weight trim is not for the team only but for his career too. Time to change, time to be careful, because this will be the crucial part of his career where eyes are mostly on him. He should show he is not as fragile as they think.
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October 15, 2022, 12:51:02 AM
In any case, if the Pelicans want to perform well this season, they'll need to find a way to keep Zion safe from those kinds of injuries.

Is there any thing that the Pelicans can do to keep Zion safe?

It's already on Zion to make that possible.

Even the Pelicans can put Zion on load management to reduce the risks of being injured, what if at the time he decided to play, the injury happened? Aside from that, if the Pelicans, let's say have a hard time catching up with the standings next season to keep their playoff spot, they need all the help they can get and that includes allowing Zion to play no matter what.
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October 14, 2022, 07:22:51 PM
https://www.nba.com/news/zion-williamson-twists-left-ankle
He's okay.
You scared me there for a while after reading your news. I didn't watch their game too.
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“I want to use the right term, but in the moment, it didn’t feel too good,” Williamson said. “It was one of those things that happened and I popped back up like, ‘Yeah, I’m straight.’ Played a few minutes after that, felt fine, then they sent me to the back just to double-check.”
We could say the weight trim is working. If he is still heavy it won't end up like this. Maybe worst.


His injury looked scary because he could easily have broken his ankle because of his weight. Fortunately, Zion got lucky this time because the injury wasn't as bad as it initially looked. It's only a sprained ankle, and I think he'll need a couple of days to recover from that. In any case, if the Pelicans want to perform well this season, they'll need to find a way to keep Zion safe from those kinds of injuries.
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October 14, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.
If there's no sincere forgiveness for each other, then that will create a chemistry problem. Warriors are great and one of the reasons is their good chemistry. Soon we will witness the regular season, so let's just see if the team was really affected with that incident.
At this point, Curry and Klay are very vital parts of the team, and Poole became a very very important part of it as well, do they really need Green? Like truly asking, do they "need" him? The word need means this, for example last year if they didn't had Green, but instead got someone else from the free agency for minimum wage, the best they can, would they still win it?

I know that green is smart and knows the playbook inside out, and that allows him to be crucial part of the team, but he is getting worse and worse and worse each year at this point he just doesn't feel like he worths all the headache he brings anymore and could be not even resigned anymore, because he just doesn't worth keeping around with all is troubles.
Not to judge him hastily,  but I think this season might be a good gauge if Green is still a good choice for the Warriors to sign an extension next year, or he is really getting that old and need to be replace by someone young and fresh or even in the Warriors team right now.

And there are a lot of speculations and for sure him and Poole could have patch up things, but we just don't know. These high level athletes are very competitive. And maybe the Warriors will live it like that until next season and decided which direction they want to go with this guys.
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October 14, 2022, 04:31:44 PM
The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.
If there's no sincere forgiveness for each other, then that will create a chemistry problem. Warriors are great and one of the reasons is their good chemistry. Soon we will witness the regular season, so let's just see if the team was really affected with that incident.
At this point, Curry and Klay are very vital parts of the team, and Poole became a very very important part of it as well, do they really need Green? Like truly asking, do they "need" him? The word need means this, for example last year if they didn't had Green, but instead got someone else from the free agency for minimum wage, the best they can, would they still win it?

I know that green is smart and knows the playbook inside out, and that allows him to be crucial part of the team, but he is getting worse and worse and worse each year at this point he just doesn't feel like he worths all the headache he brings anymore and could be not even resigned anymore, because he just doesn't worth keeping around with all is troubles.
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October 14, 2022, 01:44:16 PM
Agree with that, it seemed like the consequence is very light, it was a clear violence, he should be suspended at a very least. Well, that's how NBA works,  the system is not fair as it favors more to players whom they think is very valuable to a team.
It is. I thought they are clear about how strict they are with the rules, but it seems like they are short on this one case about Draymond Green.
Anyway, he will be back in the roster, and it was said in reports that him and Poole already talked. I wish there won't be another incident like this and Green have learned his lesson. There will be eyes everywhere and he should be careful about his sudden uncontrollable anger.

The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.


If there's no sincere forgiveness for each other, then that will create a chemistry problem. Warriors are great and one of the reasons is their good chemistry. Soon we will witness the regular season, so let's just see if the team was really affected with that incident.

I for one think that the drama is over, although it seems to be just a slap in the wrist for Green, however, Poole seems to be ok with it at least, that is the impression that I got.

And so we will see in the regular games, both of them players really knows what's in line as they are the defending champions and they for sure wanted to repeat. And they can't do that if they won't put their difference aside. Steve Kerr will have to be in the middle as well, in the huddle, in the locker room and for sure, he will get the respect.
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October 14, 2022, 01:20:15 PM
I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin
Players needs to be extremely careful and cautious in games inother not lose form in games. Injurycause many players to lose form and very bad for some key players especially when they're needed in a team. Zion Williamson been injured but hopefully he will come back sooner. He have even begin to lose form in games, been injured again, I think it's very bad as we know that it will affect his performance in games when he comes back. Pelicans still interested in him and they will extend contract with him as long as he's in form.

I guess you can't tell players to be very careful, even if you are, chances are you might still get injured as it happened as a accident.

The good thing is that it is not as bad as we thought, maybe Zion really just wanted to show everyone that he is back and for sure he trained a lot off season because he has lost a lot of weight. Nevertheless, this kind of freak accident can happen to everyone. Hopefully he can bounce back in the regular good and be healthy throughout this season.
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October 14, 2022, 10:38:37 AM
I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin
Players needs to be extremely careful and cautious in games inother not lose form in games. Injurycause many players to lose form and very bad for some key players especially when they're needed in a team. Zion Williamson been injured but hopefully he will come back sooner. He have even begin to lose form in games, been injured again, I think it's very bad as we know that it will affect his performance in games when he comes back. Pelicans still interested in him and they will extend contract with him as long as he's in form.
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October 14, 2022, 08:51:30 AM
Agree with that, it seemed like the consequence is very light, it was a clear violence, he should be suspended at a very least. Well, that's how NBA works,  the system is not fair as it favors more to players whom they think is very valuable to a team.
It is. I thought they are clear about how strict they are with the rules, but it seems like they are short on this one case about Draymond Green.
Anyway, he will be back in the roster, and it was said in reports that him and Poole already talked. I wish there won't be another incident like this and Green have learned his lesson. There will be eyes everywhere and he should be careful about his sudden uncontrollable anger.

The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.


If there's no sincere forgiveness for each other, then that will create a chemistry problem. Warriors are great and one of the reasons is their good chemistry. Soon we will witness the regular season, so let's just see if the team was really affected with that incident.
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October 14, 2022, 08:51:17 AM
I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin
https://www.nba.com/news/zion-williamson-twists-left-ankle
He's okay.
You scared me there for a while after reading your news. I didn't watch their game too.
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“I want to use the right term, but in the moment, it didn’t feel too good,” Williamson said. “It was one of those things that happened and I popped back up like, ‘Yeah, I’m straight.’ Played a few minutes after that, felt fine, then they sent me to the back just to double-check.”
We could say the weight trim is working. If he is still heavy it won't end up like this. Maybe worst.
I've just read a couple of headlines and that made me look at what happened and good thing that it's not that bad as before. He's just getting back on shape and said some words that he's going to show what he hasn't shown before.

I was not able to watch the game but good thing the injury is not serious, otherwise, it will be a complete disappointment not seeing him again this season. The Pelicans have invested on him, trusting his recovery and that he could come back fully healthy again, but if major injury would happen again, I don't know, maybe they will find a way to trade him.
Yep. It wasn't that bad at all.

He could end up like the other players that have been so good and expected a lot but then, injury disabled them. We can name a few of them that have went miserably because of injury.
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October 14, 2022, 08:38:09 AM
@stadus, please unlock your betting thread so we can also discuss about betting.
I second the motion.  Wink I am doing some bets already at preseason but not sharing it here to avoid flooding and this thread is mainly for discussions.

I just realized after a long discussion of the LA Lakers roster, rumors, and trades, now we are mostly talking about the Warriors and how they will be doing it even with an inside problem.
All thanks to Draymond and TMZ leak.  Grin

I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin
https://www.nba.com/news/zion-williamson-twists-left-ankle
He's okay.
You scared me there for a while after reading your news. I didn't watch their game too.
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“I want to use the right term, but in the moment, it didn’t feel too good,” Williamson said. “It was one of those things that happened and I popped back up like, ‘Yeah, I’m straight.’ Played a few minutes after that, felt fine, then they sent me to the back just to double-check.”
We could say the weight trim is working. If he is still heavy it won't end up like this. Maybe worst.
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October 14, 2022, 08:26:38 AM
MJ was one of the greatest, probably the greatest ever basketball player ever lived, but he is definitely not a good owner at all by the looks of how the team has done since he took over.

It's worth noting that the Hornets have always been the underdog, even when Jordan wasn't the owner and the team was called the Bobcats. They've never won a championship, a conference, and a division. Besides, they've only reached the playoffs 3 times in the last 18 years. So even if Jordan really wants to improve the Hornets' results, he will need to invest a lot more money and time.

Exactly!
There is a huge difference between being a great player and to become a great owner.
There's nothing much an owner can do if there's not enough funds to attract good players in comparison with the well established teams, and good players does not play for a team who's struggling to get to the playoffs and receiving lesser contract. 
The Charlotte Hornets needs to have a pick like they did in 96. However, I think they are really terrible in building a good team lol.
Obviously, that is the case for the Hornets in the last couple of years, maybe it was a combination of bad luck, not getting good players in the draft or traded some of their players. But I think teams really need some time to become a champion like what happen to the Dubs, they have a lot of good and solid players in the past, but it was not a recipe to win championship. But when everything smiles on them, specially lady luck, they got Steph, Draymond and then Klay and then become multiple champions.

They are indeed sitting in the Warriors position back in the time where Warriors aren't viewed as a threat even if Steph and Klay was already there, it is because they aren't that ripe and well developed but they trust in the process and became what they are now. The same with the Charlotte Hornet's roster, if they will be guided in the right way, I won't be surprised that these team will be much more heavier in the upcoming years.
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October 14, 2022, 08:23:54 AM
Finally, we can see some real competition next week. We have top-betting favorite Boston Celtics without their usual coach. And the defending champion Golden State Warriors were beset with chemistry rumors after Draymond Green knocked out Jodan Poole with a thunderous punch to the face.

It's sad that we cannot watch Chet Holmgren this season. But we wish all the best for his recovery and perhaps more weight and muscles for him in the next season.

Are all teams intact now or there are some more trades we expect? Maybe Jordan Clarkson and Russel Westbrook are on the move before the trade deadline?

The Celtics will play against the Philadelphia 76ers and the Warriors are going to play against the Lakers on the 19th of October. Both matches are going to be interesting.

In preseason matches, the Philadelphia 76ers have shown strong performance and form. If the players don't get injured I think they are going to have a prosperous season. Honestly, if all the players are available I think they are going to be the most dominant team in the upcoming season.

Even without Green, I believe the Warriors are a very capable team. As far as I know, they have not suspended Green at this time. Nevertheless, I think it would be better if they did so. Because of Green, there will be a lot more problems in the team heading into the future as well. Poole is performing really well and I don't know if keeping Green on the team is going to get applause from Poole.
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October 14, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
Agree with that, it seemed like the consequence is very light, it was a clear violence, he should be suspended at a very least. Well, that's how NBA works,  the system is not fair as it favors more to players whom they think is very valuable to a team.
It is. I thought they are clear about how strict they are with the rules, but it seems like they are short on this one case about Draymond Green.
Anyway, he will be back in the roster, and it was said in reports that him and Poole already talked. I wish there won't be another incident like this and Green have learned his lesson. There will be eyes everywhere and he should be careful about his sudden uncontrollable anger.

The Warriors can't afford to suspend Green especially now that there's not much time in his contract as they are not that sure if they will really give him his demands, we cannot deny that Green is one of the vital players of their roster and plays a huge part in their center's defense so it's somehow expected that they will just give him a light punishment because of that reason. But that said, they are also neglecting Poole's situation, they have already talked but I think Poole is not forgiving him because of that especially his family.
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October 14, 2022, 08:03:52 AM
I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin

I was not able to watch the game but good thing the injury is not serious, otherwise, it will be a complete disappointment not seeing him again this season. The Pelicans have invested on him, trusting his recovery and that he could come back fully healthy again, but if major injury would happen again, I don't know, maybe they will find a way to trade him.
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October 14, 2022, 07:51:16 AM
I missed the game of Pelicans but upon looking for some updates and news about it, I was shocked and surprised again about Zion Williamson. This guy just got recovered and then he's injured again.

But as per the news, it's not that critical as before. Well, hopefully it isn't so that he'll come back as what he has said.

And the Pelicans could say worth it for the contract they got for him.  Grin
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October 14, 2022, 07:49:24 AM
Finally, we can see some real competition next week. We have top-betting favorite Boston Celtics without their usual coach. And the defending champion Golden State Warriors were beset with chemistry rumors after Draymond Green knocked out Jodan Poole with a thunderous punch to the face.

It's sad that we cannot watch Chet Holmgren this season. But we wish all the best for his recovery and perhaps more weight and muscles for him in the next season.

Are all teams intact now or there are some more trades we expect? Maybe Jordan Clarkson and Russel Westbrook are on the move before the trade deadline?

And we can also start betting again, we have rested for a few months and I think our bankroll is already ready for the season to come. Lots of exciting teams next season due to trades and other changes, hopefully we will have a profitable season.


@stadus, please unlock your betting thread so we can also discuss about betting.
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October 14, 2022, 06:29:00 AM
"Fined but not suspended."
https://www.nba.com/news/draymond-green-fined
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Draymond Green has been fined but won’t be suspended by the Golden State Warriors for a violent punch to the face of teammate Jordan Poole last week.

Coach Steve Kerr said after Tuesday’s preseason win against Portland that Green would return to practice Thursday, then play for the defending NBA champions against Denver on Friday night and again in the season opener Tuesday against the Lakers. Kerr, general manager Bob Myers and players have met to decide how to best proceed — including Green and Poole talking to each other.
Watching porn or having a relationship inside the team is worst now than knocking down your teammate.  Cheesy
Here I thought NBA is getting stricter about its rules but I am back to the reality that they are not. Leaked video or not they should be fair about their punishments. What if other players will try the same thing and no camera caught it? Even if there is, they won't be afraid to do it too because they can pay up.
It's safe to assume that this had been the most controversial summer of the league. So many happened in just months of waiting before the tip-off.

It should be fair and square, a fine and a suspension should be given to any players or staff that have broken some rules and shows unprofessionalism. It seems to me that the Warriors is not taking it seriously even if they knew that Poole's family isn't happy of what had happened. It's really fortunate enough that it was caught on video because if not, almost 100% we wouldn't know about it. What a controversial off-season!

Agree with that, it seemed like the consequence is very light, it was a clear violence, he should be suspended at a very least. Well, that's how NBA works,  the system is not fair as it favors more to players whom they think is very valuable to a team.

The league itself isn't the one who decided about that matter, it's the franchise because it happened on their watch and not during season games or anything that will be concerned to the NBA. Just like Ime Udoka, it's the Boston Celtics who gave him a year long suspension and that's is understandable because the franchise need to set an example to their players and staff that stuffs like that is not allowed, it was a hard decision for the team after what they achieved last season but they had to. But it seems to me that the Warriors doesn't have that much courage to give at least a month long suspension for Green, a fine won't suffice because we know they can afford it.
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