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Quote from: jakelyson on July 13, 2022, 03:08:23 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on July 13, 2022, 01:03:03 PM

Of course the problem is that, if you are willing to get westbrook, then you should be hoping to get something else. The biggest trouble with the Irving deal is that if you give Westbrook, and even if you give some picks which Lakers barely have any, you are sending him to Durant, which we all know they both dislike each other and that would be a problem.

Maybe that is why Nets are trying to move Durant first before they take care of Irving. But if they move Durant and then get Westbrook, then they are left with Simmons and Westbrook which we know both of them don't shoot well. It will be a disaster. That is why I do not see Westbrook-Irving trade scenario to happen.

That is what the Nets is trying to do but the Lakers are more interested to get Kyrie Irving rather than Kevin Durant because the latter's trade is much more complicated as it means that the Lakers need to free 2 or 3 players for Durant; whereas if the Lakers get Irving in exchange for Westbrook.

It's too unfortunate for the Nets because they had to come up with this situation because their 2 all-star player wanted to move out after the Nets had done for this two. Back to the Lakers, I believe LBJ is pressuring the management to get Irving though than Durant because the King was vocal that he's still upset with Westbrook.

Read for more: https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-07-11/what-rival-scouts-executives-think-about-lakers-roster

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 14, 2022, 05:49:10 AM

And regarding Durant's request, here is what the NBA commissioner said,

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“Look, this needs to be a two-way street. Teams provide enormous security and guarantees to players and the expectation is, in return, they will meet their end of the bargain,” Silver said. “I’m realistic that there’s always conversations that are going to go on behind closed doors between players and their representatives and the teams. But we don’t like to see players requesting trades, and we don’t like to see it playing out the way it is.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-trade-adam-silver-thoughts-nba-nets

So it's seems that he is obviously not happy with Durant requesting a trade after what he has been offered by the Nets in the initial contract.

And with that, I'm expecting that there will be new rule in the NBA about the Durant trade, just some sort of protection from the teams that are offering max contract to this high level players.

I agree and I wish they will come up with something as soon as they can.
NBA became Hollywood as this players became artists that are becoming dramatic when their emotions are poked.
One solution that I could think of is the status of each player after they are hired. RFA, FA, Bird, and so on.. It must be changed because players found a hole in that. (maybe their agents)
Even some NBA fans are confused of how it happens that a player that was just signed can request for a trade. (Not talking about KD)

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 14, 2022, 07:37:08 AM

If there's no rule that will make it illegal, you cannot say it's toleration. Players has the rights as well, that's why they have a contract, and as long as their action does not violate the contrat, it's always legal but not every legal is acceptable in the eyes of the fans and the organization.

Their contract only seems good for players and that's all that it matters because they cannot be enslaved by the team when the time comes their no longer feel welcome anymore. That's why when Zion Williamson was not playing and rumors came out that he is getting fat and not getting some workout he usually does when he was healthy, the New Orleans Pelicans doesn't scold him or anything because they are completely aware the guy will request for trade when his peaceful place became toxic. The teams know about this before they finalize the player's contract. is just they wanted to gamble because if things work out, it will mean huge money for them.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 14, 2022, 05:49:10 AM

And regarding Durant's request, here is what the NBA commissioner said,

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“Look, this needs to be a two-way street. Teams provide enormous security and guarantees to players and the expectation is, in return, they will meet their end of the bargain,” Silver said. “I’m realistic that there’s always conversations that are going to go on behind closed doors between players and their representatives and the teams. But we don’t like to see players requesting trades, and we don’t like to see it playing out the way it is.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-trade-adam-silver-thoughts-nba-nets

It's refreshing to see the commissioner having balls to say that. A good reminder to these players and their agents not to push their luck too much when they were already given the best deals.

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And with that, I'm expecting that there will be new rule in the NBA about the Durant trade, just some sort of protection from the teams that are offering max contract to this high level players.

Nah I don't think they will succeed. They will surely have a difficult time convincing the NBPA to agree to lessen their fellow player's "power". They'll come up with excuses like "imprisonment".

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Quote from: Questat on July 14, 2022, 08:46:11 AM

We are talking here of respect, or sometimes what we called as unwritten rules. Durant is not a great player IMO, he is transferring to other teams when he cannot carry a team, not a good example because great players stay in a team, and work for the improvement of the team until they become successful.

I think everyone knows that Durant is an exceptional player. That is why he can make those demands to his organization. Otherwise, no one will even care which team he plays.

Quote from: Questat on July 14, 2022, 08:46:11 AM

I don't know who started this, but it seems like players nowadays are good at demanding trade already, when in the past it should be the organization who only decide for their players.

As long as it is not a bridge of contract, players can demand a trade. The thing with Durant is, the Nets gave him a $198 million 4 year extension contract with $189 million guaranteed. That is a large sum of money. And before Durant can even play a single game on that contract, he is already requesting a trade. It seems that Durant forget that Nets took a big gamble on him when they took him when his career is in jeopardy. And now that he have a guaranteed contract, he wants to leave the organization. That is total disrespect from Durant to the whole Nets organization. The least he could do to repay the Nets is to honor his contract.

I believe if Durant does not leave the Nets, they are still a contender team especially if Simmons plays this year. And if I am Nets, I will make sure that the value I set for Durant is so high that no team will take him. That will force Durant to stay on the team.

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Quote from: Questat on July 14, 2022, 08:46:11 AM

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^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

Obviously they are and rules really need to change regarding to that since NBA is not really good in that side because they give to much power to a player and this really hurt a lot on their organization if the same scenario like this will happen in future.

I wonder when this controversy stop and for sure the team where this two guys landed will encounter the same problem since they tolerate those kind of players.

If there's no rule that will make it illegal, you cannot say it's toleration. Players has the rights as well, that's why they have a contract, and as long as their action does not violate the contract, it's always legal but not every legal is acceptable in the eyes of the fans and the organization.

We are talking here of respect, or sometimes what we called as unwritten rules. Durant is not a great player IMO, he is transferring to other teams when he cannot carry a team, not a good example because great players stay in a team, and work for the improvement of the team until they become successful.

I don't know who started this, but it seems like players nowadays are good at demanding trade already, when in the past it should be the organization who only decide for their players.

Durant is not a good player? Are you watching the games? Durant is a top 3 players on the planet and it’s really not debatable. Sure you may not like him and think he’s a bad teammate for his recently baby like behavior, and I would tend to agree with you on that, but to say he’s not a great player is a bit crazy.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 14, 2022, 07:37:08 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on July 14, 2022, 07:17:47 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 14, 2022, 06:08:53 AM

^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

Obviously they are and rules really need to change regarding to that since NBA is not really good in that side because they give to much power to a player and this really hurt a lot on their organization if the same scenario like this will happen in future.

I wonder when this controversy stop and for sure the team where this two guys landed will encounter the same problem since they tolerate those kind of players.

If there's no rule that will make it illegal, you cannot say it's toleration. Players has the rights as well, that's why they have a contract, and as long as their action does not violate the contrat, it's always legal but not every legal is acceptable in the eyes of the fans and the organization.

Yes that's right and a player has a right to choose which team he in but in the case of Kevin durant which is he is new in Brooklyn nets and then he requested for a trade and once the administrators will allow this kind of behavior for sure many players will do such thing which is one of many reason why the teams of NBA will not be determined by who is the best team.
And also there's a big effect for the fans which they bet.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 14, 2022, 07:37:08 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on July 14, 2022, 07:17:47 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 14, 2022, 06:08:53 AM

^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

Obviously they are and rules really need to change regarding to that since NBA is not really good in that side because they give to much power to a player and this really hurt a lot on their organization if the same scenario like this will happen in future.

I wonder when this controversy stop and for sure the team where this two guys landed will encounter the same problem since they tolerate those kind of players.

If there's no rule that will make it illegal, you cannot say it's toleration. Players has the rights as well, that's why they have a contract, and as long as their action does not violate the contract, it's always legal but not every legal is acceptable in the eyes of the fans and the organization.

We are talking here of respect, or sometimes what we called as unwritten rules. Durant is not a great player IMO, he is transferring to other teams when he cannot carry a team, not a good example because great players stay in a team, and work for the improvement of the team until they become successful.

I don't know who started this, but it seems like players nowadays are good at demanding trade already, when in the past it should be the organization who only decide for their players.

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Quote from: arwin100 on July 14, 2022, 07:17:47 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 14, 2022, 06:08:53 AM

^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

Obviously they are and rules really need to change regarding to that since NBA is not really good in that side because they give to much power to a player and this really hurt a lot on their organization if the same scenario like this will happen in future.

I wonder when this controversy stop and for sure the team where this two guys landed will encounter the same problem since they tolerate those kind of players.

If there's no rule that will make it illegal, you cannot say it's toleration. Players has the rights as well, that's why they have a contract, and as long as their action does not violate the contrat, it's always legal but not every legal is acceptable in the eyes of the fans and the organization.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 14, 2022, 06:08:53 AM

^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

Obviously they are and rules really need to change regarding to that since NBA is not really good in that side because they give to much power to a player and this really hurt a lot on their organization if the same scenario like this will happen in future.

I wonder when this controversy stop and for sure the team where this two guys landed will encounter the same problem since they tolerate those kind of players.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 13, 2022, 10:05:24 PM

I'm just hoping GSW won't trade their youngsters just to get KD. For me, it's like they are giving away the future of the team.

I doubt that will happen. GSW made a good job developing their young athletes and I believe they are grooming them to become their future core. Let us admit it, GSW trio only have a few years on their prime. It is the right time for GSW to develop their young athletes to replace Steph, Klay and Draymond in the near future. I also do not thing KD will have a good chemistry the 3 GSW stars, specially Draymond, after what happened the first time KD went there.

Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 13, 2022, 11:41:43 PM

Mitchell and brunson play opposite of each other. Brunson would be the point and spida the sg. That package is rediculous. It leaves the Knicks with nothing amd then 6 picks lol. Jazz are tripping. Donovan is good but not that good. I honestly think knicks are better off developing grimes who plays the same position as Donovan and keeping theor assets until something better pops up.

I am baffled with this move by Jazz. Since they shipped Gobert to Timberwolves, I thought they will build around Mitchell as their superstar. But now they want to ship him away? Are they going for a total rebuild?

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 14, 2022, 06:08:53 AM

^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

That's a pure disrespect, Durant already had a big salary and yet he still want to leave the team, there must be a problem within the organization, but I think it's not fair to request for a trade when the management has not met their expectation yet from Durant.

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^^ For sure, the commissioner is not going to be happy with that. Yes players have freedom, but in this case, and if I'm not mistaken, this is a super max contract being given to KD and then after a few years and he still has like 2 years in his contract, he suddenly request a trade? It is close to being disrespectful to Brooklyn, after emptying their pockets not just for him but for Irving as well, he will suddenly ditch the Nets because it's not going his way? Yeah, for sure new rules are going to be set in by the NBA to address this kind of scenario.

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And regarding Durant's request, here is what the NBA commissioner said,

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“Look, this needs to be a two-way street. Teams provide enormous security and guarantees to players and the expectation is, in return, they will meet their end of the bargain,” Silver said. “I’m realistic that there’s always conversations that are going to go on behind closed doors between players and their representatives and the teams. But we don’t like to see players requesting trades, and we don’t like to see it playing out the way it is.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-trade-adam-silver-thoughts-nba-nets

So it's seems that he is obviously not happy with Durant requesting a trade after what he has been offered by the Nets in the initial contract.

And with that, I'm expecting that there will be new rule in the NBA about the Durant trade, just some sort of protection from the teams that are offering max contract to this high level players.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 13, 2022, 11:41:43 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on July 13, 2022, 06:40:09 PM

And when we thought that there is no trade rumor or Donovan Mitchell or at least the Jazz is not going to entertain any trade, there is a news that the Jazz wanted the following from the Knicks:

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The Jazz wanted Julius Randle, Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin and 6 first-round picks for Donovan Mitchell

https://twitter.com/JohnsonWhiteNBA/status/1547224720629977088

But obviously, the Knicks decline because that's too much.

The Knicks though already got Brunson as their guard, why would they need Mitchell?

Mitchell and brunson play opposite of each other. Brunson would be the point and spida the sg. That package is rediculous. It leaves the Knicks with nothing amd then 6 picks lol. Jazz are tripping. Donovan is good but not that good. I honestly think knicks are better off developing grimes who plays the same position as Donovan and keeping theor assets until something better pops up.

Probably, but still it's not like Luka-Brunson. So it won't be a perfect fit, even Michell-Conley for me has some moments that they should't be in the same time at the floor.

And yeah, those players and then 6 future picks? that's insane and obviously, the Knicks will have to say no for that. Donovan is not worth of it, even a Randle-Mitchell trade is not fair in my opinion.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 13, 2022, 06:33:16 PM

They've got already a good roster and got some new addition from the draft for which we can also see new potentials from there.

But if it's for KD, we still need to see what's really for him and what team is really serious of taking him and getting that crazy deal for the trade that he wants for Nets.

And from that good roster, I think this is settled that the Golden State Warriors will not need anything, for now, for me I think the teams that will truly need Kevin Durant were the Miami Heat and the Phoenix Suns, but for the Miami Heat having difficulty in getting him due to lack of resources, and for the Phoenix Suns inability to get back Deandre Ayton, they need a bigger all-around man, so likely Kevin Durant can land on these teams or even on the other rumored teams that likely needs him, so let's just wait and see,

Quote from: dwyane36 on July 13, 2022, 07:58:58 PM

As it was mentioned before, the Nets won't agree to trade Durant anyway if they don't get an all-star player instead of him. In that case, Durant trade rumors to the Heat seem unlikely since the Heat would have to include Butler and a couple of bench players in the deal. Honestly, I doubt the Heat have plans to trade Butler, and it's unlikely they could offer any other deal which would satisfy the Nets.

I think this is still in the process, and choosing between Kevin Durant over Butler, is a big trade in my opinion Jimmy "Buckets" Butler is a great asset for the Miami Heat and I think even though Kevin Durant has a bigger value, but for me, Jimmy Butler and Kevin Durant, for now, has the same value as an all-star, so Miami Heat will surely be having a hard time about this, so the Phoenix Suns might have to say about this maybe Chris Paul for Kevin Durant, but it is really unlikely to happen,

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 13, 2022, 07:55:41 AM

What if they can sign KD without moving Butler, I think that would make the team better and they'll have a big chance to win a championship. But the question is, who are the players that will be traded for Durant?

That will mean luxury tax. A big one.
Duncan Robinson and Victor Oladipo might be their best options for trade because that will give them $25 million in free space. Because I doubt they will let Bam Adebayo go. That's just too much and it's difficult to find big men who can play as agile as Bam.

Quote from: Baofeng on July 13, 2022, 06:40:09 PM

But obviously, the Knicks decline because that's too much.

The Knicks though already got Brunson as their guard, why would they need Mitchell?

That's some crazy stuff the Jazz are asking for. Cheesy

It's not even close with almost fair trade.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 13, 2022, 06:46:47 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on July 13, 2022, 06:40:09 PM

And when we thought that there is no trade rumor or Donovan Mitchell or at least the Jazz is not going to entertain any trade, there is a news that the Jazz wanted the following from the Knicks:

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The Jazz wanted Julius Randle, Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin and 6 first-round picks for Donovan Mitchell

https://twitter.com/JohnsonWhiteNBA/status/1547224720629977088

But obviously, the Knicks decline because that's too much.

The Knicks though already got Brunson as their guard, why would they need Mitchell?

Dwayne Wade seem pretty confident that Mitchell will end up in a Heat uniform. I think he’s a great player, but he’s really undersized for his position and isn’t the most efficient guy. I think any team with him as their #1 scoring option will struggle to reach the Finals. He’s no doubt a great talent though that I think would thrive in a secondary role. He’ll need to work on his defense at some point if he wants to be one of the top players in the league.

Yeah, he seems cannot carry a team with him alone, and although he has been surrounded with a lot of great players in Jazz, yet they always fell short in the playoffs. So him in Knicks with Randle as the main guy and him being the secondary option is good with Brunson.

But with the way the Jazz is asking for him is ridiculous though, as if telling others that they don't want him to be traded? I don't know. Maybe if teams are going to go and bite and take the risk then good for them, if not then maybe Conley is the other player that they will trade next because his name is floating as well.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

As for Irving he has been likely to be traded with Westbrook. This deal would be great for Lakers but not much for Nets unfortunately.

I've heard that Lebron would like to play with Irving but just as the trade, it's all the rumors that I've been hearing. Well, I guess that would just be another enjoying season for Lebron for choosing who he wants to play with.

As for the trade with KD, Nets really have to put priority on him as they've invested that much on him without getting that great return for his staying career on them.

Classic LeBron right? he always wanted to pick players that will surround him. They've got a good combo way back from Cavs

but not sure if they still have that same system. By knowing Kyrie, he always wanted to hold the ball and for sure it will be an adjustment

between them, but giving that possibilities, everything will be depend on how the coach handles them and how they create a good system

to work with the entire squad.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 13, 2022, 06:36:52 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now.

Durant going to the Heat would give the Heat a big boost even if they will trade Butler for him.
IMO, I believe that Durant is more clutch and more team player than Butler, so I'm okay with that trade if that will happen.

I don't think that's gonna work for the Heat. I'd rather see the Heat aims to build good back up players that surrounds Jimmy and their young talents. This current Miami Heat roster is actually pretty good and can beat any teams in East during playoffs if they can avoid any injuries with their main rotation.
I would rather see the Heat go after a good Center than trading Jimmy for Durant. That'll only ruin the team's chemistry.

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