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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now. As for Irving he has been likely to be traded with Westbrook. This deal would be great for Lakers but not much for Nets unfortunately.

I don't believe some teams wanted Westbrook when he doesn't have his skill anymore the Lakers already proved that and he also plays with Lebron and nothing has happened. Maybe Irving can add some fuel with the Lakers and maybe he can get back to play to the time when they were winning championships with Lebron. But this time he should really consider getting out from the Nets because this team is like a curse because no matter who they will acquire, they just don't get anything from them, and the far as they go is only going to the playoffs and that's all.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now.

Durant going to the Heat would give the Heat a big boost even if they will trade Butler for him.
IMO, I believe that Durant is more clutch and more team player than Butler, so I'm okay with that trade if that will happen.

I don't think that's the right move. Butler created a brotherhood there and taking him out in exchange for Durant will most likely ruin that chemistry.
What I want for the Miami Heat to target is a point guard. Kyle Lowry seems to have lost his touch and is playing lesser minutes at 36 years old.
If they will focus their playmaking with Gabe Vincent and Tyler Herro then aim for a shooting guard. They didn't use Duncan Robinson last playoffs because of his lack of defensive skills.
A strong guard who is capable to do both will be their best choice. Not as expensive as KD.

What if they can sign KD without moving Butler, I think that would make the team better and they'll have a big chance to win a championship. But the question is, who are the players that will be traded for Durant?

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now.

Durant going to the Heat would give the Heat a big boost even if they will trade Butler for him.
IMO, I believe that Durant is more clutch and more team player than Butler, so I'm okay with that trade if that will happen.

I don't think that's the right move. Butler created a brotherhood there and taking him out in exchange for Durant will most likely ruin that chemistry.
What I want for the Miami Heat to target is a point guard. Kyle Lowry seems to have lost his touch and is playing lesser minutes at 36 years old.
If they will focus their playmaking with Gabe Vincent and Tyler Herro then aim for a shooting guard. They didn't use Duncan Robinson last playoffs because of his lack of defensive skills.
A strong guard who is capable to do both will be their best choice. Not as expensive as KD.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now. As for Irving he has been likely to be traded with Westbrook. This deal would be great for Lakers but not much for Nets unfortunately.

This wouldn't be shattered up when Irving just taken that vaccine eh? I wonder on where these lads may end up, good for them or it's just another bad omen on where they landed. For the Nets getting Westbrook would be bad teaming up with Simmons? Can't say beforehand but we don't know what could they bring or what will the Nets get too with this trade.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now.

Durant going to the Heat would give the Heat a big boost even if they will trade Butler for him.
IMO, I believe that Durant is more clutch and more team player than Butler, so I'm okay with that trade if that will happen.

Quote from: Velvet78 on July 13, 2022, 06:34:22 AM

As for Irving he has been likely to be traded with Westbrook. This deal would be great for Lakers but not much for Nets unfortunately.

We never know what would happen to the Nets, but Irving going to the Lakers, I'm optimistic that Lakers will reach the playoffs.

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Irving and Durant both are leaving the team surely as it seems. They have both wanted their trades as soon as possible. Actually Irving was closer to be traded but the team made a decision and decided to give priority to Durant's trade. I have heard that Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns are the teams Durant want to go now. As for Irving he has been likely to be traded with Westbrook. This deal would be great for Lakers but not much for Nets unfortunately.

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Quote from: Reid on July 13, 2022, 03:53:27 AM

Yeah, but there also an issue before that. He was already asking for a max contract right after they given CP3 his own at 21-22 season. I think that's when the problem started with the Ayton relationship with management and coaching staff.
Who would not ask for it? They are the Western Champions and fought for the Finals, he might have thought there should be perks on what they achieved but it was not awarded.
I have no doubts this big guy will play at his best if only offered the contract that he wants. He may just want security for himself.

Yes, considering his contributions way back and how he really does his best to help the team.

But on the business side, I can only say that Suns management is also considering other possibilities before they can give
that offer. The problem already smoke out and the relationship is no longer good, letting go Ayton and let him get the desire
contract will also allow Suns to hire new replacement.

If I'm not mistaken, some of his rookie class have been offered max contract for a rookie. So it was expected that he will also get that as they went to the finals with Ayton as their center. However, Suns organization didn't offer him. So last season, I would say that Ayton didn't play that hard, not push himself to help the team against Mavericks. So yes, the relationship is very fragile since the start of the season and it blew off in the playoff as he was bench.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 13, 2022, 05:13:20 AM

Quote from: Reid on July 13, 2022, 03:53:27 AM

Yeah, but there also an issue before that. He was already asking for a max contract right after they given CP3 his own at 21-22 season. I think that's when the problem started with the Ayton relationship with management and coaching staff.
Who would not ask for it? They are the Western Champions and fought for the Finals, he might have thought there should be perks on what they achieved but it was not awarded.
I have no doubts this big guy will play at his best if only offered the contract that he wants. He may just want security for himself.

Yes, considering his contributions way back and how he really does his best to help the team.

But on the business side, I can only say that Suns management is also considering other possibilities before they can give
that offer. The problem already smoke out and the relationship is no longer good, letting go Ayton and let him get the desire
contract will also allow Suns to hire new replacement.

There's a team that will go after Ayton, he is one of the top 10 big men in the NBA, and with his good shooting range, I think he will be a very valuable asset. IMO, he is deserving for a max contract, if Suns could not give that, then there's no reason for him to stay.

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Quote from: Reid on July 13, 2022, 03:53:27 AM

Yeah, but there also an issue before that. He was already asking for a max contract right after they given CP3 his own at 21-22 season. I think that's when the problem started with the Ayton relationship with management and coaching staff.
Who would not ask for it? They are the Western Champions and fought for the Finals, he might have thought there should be perks on what they achieved but it was not awarded.
I have no doubts this big guy will play at his best if only offered the contract that he wants. He may just want security for himself.

Yes, considering his contributions way back and how he really does his best to help the team.

But on the business side, I can only say that Suns management is also considering other possibilities before they can give
that offer. The problem already smoke out and the relationship is no longer good, letting go Ayton and let him get the desire
contract will also allow Suns to hire new replacement.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 12, 2022, 09:12:04 PM

First we should understand what really happen and why they are willing to let go of Ayton. Yes, he is a vital part of the offense and defense of the Suns, but it seems that Ayton doesn't have the mindset though, in the finals against the Bucks he was out hustle by Giannis and there was a critical play that he was block. And after that, the Suns didn't offer Ayton a max contract, first sign that he will not stay as Suns for long. And last season, we've seen how he got bench in Game 7 because they way Monty see it, Ayton quit on them. So it's just a matter of time before Ayton will be traded and this is the right time.

Might be the reason, an inside issue between Ayton and the coaching staff.

Now that they see that the relationship between him is no longer working well, it's the best time to send him to another team
who can provide good deals and fair trading value.

It's a matter of time now to what team he may land and who will be his replacement that Suns will bring to their squad,
the system is still there though it's just the player to adjust and work on int.

Yeah, but there also an issue before that. He was already asking for a max contract right after they given CP3 his own at 21-22 season. I think that's when the problem started with the Ayton relationship with management and coaching staff.
Who would not ask for it? They are the Western Champions and fought for the Finals, he might have thought there should be perks on what they achieved but it was not awarded.
I have no doubts this big guy will play at his best if only offered the contract that he wants. He may just want security for himself.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 12, 2022, 09:12:04 PM

First we should understand what really happen and why they are willing to let go of Ayton. Yes, he is a vital part of the offense and defense of the Suns, but it seems that Ayton doesn't have the mindset though, in the finals against the Bucks he was out hustle by Giannis and there was a critical play that he was block. And after that, the Suns didn't offer Ayton a max contract, first sign that he will not stay as Suns for long. And last season, we've seen how he got bench in Game 7 because they way Monty see it, Ayton quit on them. So it's just a matter of time before Ayton will be traded and this is the right time.

Might be the reason, an inside issue between Ayton and the coaching staff.

Now that they see that the relationship between him is no longer working well, it's the best time to send him to another team
who can provide good deals and fair trading value.

It's a matter of time now to what team he may land and who will be his replacement that Suns will bring to their squad,
the system is still there though it's just the player to adjust and work on int.

Right, and we really don't know who to play in this case, is the Suns management didn't value their rookie? or Ayton lacks the mentally that the Suns wanted from him and he didn't give that to them?

So this is the best solution, let go of Ayton and replacement him with a player, maybe trade with the Pacers or Portland or even the Nets for Durant.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 12, 2022, 09:12:04 PM

First we should understand what really happen and why they are willing to let go of Ayton. Yes, he is a vital part of the offense and defense of the Suns, but it seems that Ayton doesn't have the mindset though, in the finals against the Bucks he was out hustle by Giannis and there was a critical play that he was block. And after that, the Suns didn't offer Ayton a max contract, first sign that he will not stay as Suns for long. And last season, we've seen how he got bench in Game 7 because they way Monty see it, Ayton quit on them. So it's just a matter of time before Ayton will be traded and this is the right time.

In regard to the Suns-Bucks Finals 2 seasons ago, the Suns as a whole team is inexperienced when it comes to NBA Finals and all of them are first time in NBA Finals including CP3 and I believe that affects that whole decision-making of the team. Ayton really was out hustled by Giannis at that time, and he doesn't have any substitute big at that time thus, they lost the series.

The problem with Ayton at that time is after that lost, he requested for a max contract which obviously he will not get it. It's only his first time to go to NBA Finals and his team without CP3 is at the bottom, so he doesn't deserve it, and I know many will agree. Ayton being benched in Game 7 against the Mavericks is the trigger point for Ayton to leave the team for some reasons. Well, looks like the Pacers will get him in exchange for Turner and maybe some first round picks, so I will just hope that he will be a good piece to the team.

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In my opinion, I respect every rising star and those who follow his steps, but with Ja's statement, it's easier to say than to prove it with converted achievements,.

We don't have to overreact to this kid's opinion and view. Everyone knows that if they compare themselves to Michael Jordan, that's high praise for the Legend since it means everyone wants to surpass his achievement. It's not challenging the Legend.

With that mindset of Ja Morant, I'm expecting to him show better and best plays next season. He also should work out on staying healthy all seasons. Players with great leaping ability and athleticism are sometimes more prone to injury. He should play wise while keeping safe although injuries can't be avoided.

I have been praising Ja Morant about his ability even if he's not that gifted with height because the kid can lift up his team and can even move like he's unstoppable to the point where we can say that this kid might be good and all but his skills will make him prone to injury just like Derrick Rose on his prime.

The kid has still lot to improve on the ring and he has all the time because he's still young, but he need to choose his battles wisely because that hype his making won't be around when he is stuck with an injury and saying that line that he'd beat MJ is an overstatement. There's noting to argue about MJ's skill.

So true, this young generation obviously didn't seen the GOAT play, for them it was the closest, Kobe or Lebron James. And even after Jordan retires, there's so many of them calling him out and he just destroy them one on one.

Of course, Ja Morant maybe can over over MJ if ever they play in the same era, but the athleticism can't be compare, for me they are almost even. But the mentally will be on MJ as he destroys everyone in a era wherein defense in the key.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 12, 2022, 09:12:04 PM

First we should understand what really happen and why they are willing to let go of Ayton. Yes, he is a vital part of the offense and defense of the Suns, but it seems that Ayton doesn't have the mindset though, in the finals against the Bucks he was out hustle by Giannis and there was a critical play that he was block. And after that, the Suns didn't offer Ayton a max contract, first sign that he will not stay as Suns for long. And last season, we've seen how he got bench in Game 7 because they way Monty see it, Ayton quit on them. So it's just a matter of time before Ayton will be traded and this is the right time.

Might be the reason, an inside issue between Ayton and the coaching staff.

Now that they see that the relationship between him is no longer working well, it's the best time to send him to another team
who can provide good deals and fair trading value.

It's a matter of time now to what team he may land and who will be his replacement that Suns will bring to their squad,
the system is still there though it's just the player to adjust and work on int.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 12, 2022, 04:38:50 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on July 11, 2022, 06:59:05 PM

Quote from: carlisle1 on July 11, 2022, 01:25:09 PM

~snip~

I have been praising Ja Morant about his ability even if he's not that gifted with height because the kid can lift up his team and can even move like he's unstoppable to the point where we can say that this kid might be good and all but his skills will make him prone to injury just like Derrick Rose on his prime.

The kid has still lot to improve on the ring and he has all the time because he's still young, but he need to choose his battles wisely because that hype his making won't be around when he is stuck with an injury and saying that line that he'd beat MJ is an overstatement. There's noting to argue about MJ's skill.

There's nothing to argue about MJ's skill, yes. However, he played in a completely different era where defense can win games. Today's NBA have evolve so much that a good defense is underappreciated not because today's player does not play defense, but because majority of the players today has unlimited range.
Many fans thought LeBron and other superstars today won't survive the 80's and 90's.

About Ja's statement about MJ, I don't find it arrogance. The kid's building his confidence as he continue to improve. He's actually a very impressive player being unstoppable regardless of his size.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 12, 2022, 04:38:50 PM

I have been praising Ja Morant about his ability even if he's not that gifted with height because the kid can lift up his team and can even move like he's unstoppable to the point where we can say that this kid might be good and all but his skills will make him prone to injury just like Derrick Rose on his prime.

The kid has still lot to improve on the ring and he has all the time because he's still young, but he need to choose his battles wisely because that hype his making won't be around when he is stuck with an injury and saying that line that he'd beat MJ is an overstatement. There's noting to argue about MJ's skill.

I'm imagining th face of MJ after reading that statement. Same with how he always handle those players who feel that same

sentiment about playing against him and beating him. A short smile is an statement that MJ will do and the rest will be the

interpretations of each people who will see that kind of response.

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Quote from: darewaller on July 12, 2022, 09:10:19 PM

We know the real reason behind why they released Ayton, dude wanted the max he could get, and Suns didn't want to offer him that much. Their owner is a famously cheap person and the city literally wanted to force him to sell, failed but that's how terrible he is, dude is even getting money from the state to keep running it.

This means that dude costs people money to just run his own business. I know that it's his business and he can run it anyway he wants, but a team doing well enough shouldn't be disturbed otherwise it gets worse.

Look at OKC, they had Westbrook-Harden-Durant on their peak, with Ibaka for example, and they didn't want to pay Harden and everything after that was a failure and look at them now. This is how you ruin a team, and Suns owner is doing that.

I agree with all of that. I think the main reason they didn’t want to pay him though was because his personality clashed with ownership and Booker was jealous of his rising status. The situation seems less like OKC and more like the Sacramento Kings with DeMarcus Cousins. The end result is the same though. If you let your talented draft picks walk because of personality issues, you’re gonna have a tough future. Imagine if the Warriors dumped Green because he’s a jerk… Sometimes you gotta let talent do their thing.

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Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.

This ain't a good move from them Suns. So much was produced by Ayton that made them reach the Finals and then the West semis last year.
I don't know what they are planning but I have an idea they are going for small ball copying strategies from the likes of the Warriors and Celtics.
CP3 is getting older, chemistry will be a better ally for them than looking for the star players and force a championship roster. What the Nets did was enough proof that it fails.

Ayton has a lot of potential and he's so young with huge potential, if Suns just maximize and develop him very well for sure we can see more dominant Ayton in hard wood. But guess they are in rush of things and want to see fast result and this will totally put them in questionable state this season. For sure they can't copy the small ball line up of Warriors because GSW roosters are built and not been traded from other teams so for sure they cannot copy the team chemistry and might struggle on this area.

First we should understand what really happen and why they are willing to let go of Ayton. Yes, he is a vital part of the offense and defense of the Suns, but it seems that Ayton doesn't have the mindset though, in the finals against the Bucks he was out hustle by Giannis and there was a critical play that he was block. And after that, the Suns didn't offer Ayton a max contract, first sign that he will not stay as Suns for long. And last season, we've seen how he got bench in Game 7 because they way Monty see it, Ayton quit on them. So it's just a matter of time before Ayton will be traded and this is the right time.

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We know the real reason behind why they released Ayton, dude wanted the max he could get, and Suns didn't want to offer him that much. Their owner is a famously cheap person and the city literally wanted to force him to sell, failed but that's how terrible he is, dude is even getting money from the state to keep running it.

This means that dude costs people money to just run his own business. I know that it's his business and he can run it anyway he wants, but a team doing well enough shouldn't be disturbed otherwise it gets worse.

Look at OKC, they had Westbrook-Harden-Durant on their peak, with Ibaka for example, and they didn't want to pay Harden and everything after that was a failure and look at them now. This is how you ruin a team, and Suns owner is doing that.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 12, 2022, 06:49:26 AM

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 11, 2022, 05:00:08 PM

Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.

This ain't a good move from them Suns. So much was produced by Ayton that made them reach the Finals and then the West semis last year.
I don't know what they are planning but I have an idea they are going for small ball copying strategies from the likes of the Warriors and Celtics.
CP3 is getting older, chemistry will be a better ally for them than looking for the star players and force a championship roster. What the Nets did was enough proof that it fails.

Ayton has a lot of potential and he's so young with huge potential, if Suns just maximize and develop him very well for sure we can see more dominant Ayton in hard wood. But guess they are in rush of things and want to see fast result and this will totally put them in questionable state this season. For sure they can't copy the small ball line up of Warriors because GSW roosters are built and not been traded from other teams so for sure they cannot copy the team chemistry and might struggle on this area.

Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.

They also traded McGee so they really are moving away from being a defensive team, and probably we might see them more as an offensive one like what the warriors are doing or what Coach D'Antoni did with the Rockets where they are focusing more on threes than twos.

Ayton's performance might've affected this season because they didn't give him a max contract at the start of the season. Now he wants to get traded, so the question is which players will the Suns get in return. They might get Turner plus first round picks, maybe. Overall, Ayton is still young, and he might develop more if he will be in the Pacers.

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