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legendary
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July 12, 2022, 06:58:08 PM
It looks like Ja Morant went overboard with his statement, hehehe

Ja Morant says he'd beat Michael Jordan in his era

Well I guess who have been following basketball for years and see Michael Jordan plays will not agree with Morant here.

He needs to get a ring, not just 1 or 2 or 3, he need to get 7, be a two way player, MVP's and beat everyone in his generation. So far he has none of that.
I don't know but it seems that there is nothing negative to me with what he said.
All NBA players and fans already know that MJ is the GOAT and no one will argue with that. Maybe Ja is saying it with respect and he has this "I'll be a better player" mindset where he uses MJ as his basis meaning he will develop even more skills.

Well, Morant is still young and he is doing some spectacular things already in the league and some sees him as the future face of the NBA aside from Luka and Trae. I like his mindset TBH but his first step to be closer to MJ is to get a title and an MVP as well.

There is no doubt that Morant will dominate the next few seasons as he's progressing well even though he's only played 3 seasons in the league. At the same time, that statement by Morant sounds a bit arrogant. Firstly, the style of play in the 80-90s was more aggressive, while now the style of play has become too soft. Secondly, as Baofeng said, Jordan has tons of team and individual awards, and his stats look better than Morant's in many ways. Just compare Jordan and Morant's stats in their third season. MJ averaged 37.1 points per game, while Morant only scored 27.4 points. So if they had played one-on-one, Morant simply wouldn't have had a chance to beat Jordan.
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July 12, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
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It looks bad on the Pacers' side or maybe just fair. I am not sure. Myles had his moments and is starting to shoot outside while Ayton is learning the perimeter shots. Yeah, maybe that's why I had the thought it could just be a fair trade if ever it will materialize.
What I know is that it's not as bad as it looks for either teams.

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As for the list that you mentioned, Biyombo is mostly for defensive purposes but not much on offense. I'd take Saric because of his shooting threat but if I remember correctly he was injured, I am not updated yet about the status of his injury.
Never saw Jock Landale play a lot of minutes during his Spurs run.
Biyombo will definitely get a lot of the defensive responsibilities if Ayton is out. I can already see rotations between him and Turner.
Saric is still listed as questionable at the start of the season but it's been a year since he torn his ACL so he should be back during the regular season.
Landale will most likely play the backup role if anything happens to the starting center.
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July 12, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
In my opinion, I respect every rising star and those who follow his steps, but with Ja's statement, it's easier to say than to prove it with converted achievements,.

We don't have to overreact to this kid's opinion and view. Everyone knows that if they compare themselves to Michael Jordan, that's high praise for the Legend since it means everyone wants to surpass his achievement. It's not challenging the Legend.

With that mindset of Ja Morant, I'm expecting to him show better and best plays next season. He also should work out on staying healthy all seasons. Players with great leaping ability and athleticism are sometimes more prone to injury. He should play wise while keeping safe although injuries can't be avoided.

I have been praising Ja Morant about his ability even if he's not that gifted with height because the kid can lift up his team and can even move like he's unstoppable to the point where we can say that this kid might be good and all but his skills will make him prone to injury just like Derrick Rose on his prime.

The kid has still lot to improve on the ring and he has all the time because he's still young, but he need to choose his battles wisely because that hype his making won't be around when he is stuck with an injury and saying that line that he'd beat MJ is an overstatement. There's noting to argue about MJ's skill.
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July 12, 2022, 03:21:09 PM
Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.
We may never know the real reason behind this release of Ayton but I don't think it's not that defensive that will be shattered but the offensive side as well. It's not that of a desperate move but likely a chance to see what could be the benefit of both parties, trades are always like that.
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July 12, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
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Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves and take a look at who could be replacing him in the roster first,
- Bismack Biyombo
- Dario Saric
- Jock Landale

The deal looks like a sign and trade with Myles Turner. Pacers will get Ayton while Suns to receive Turner. That doesn't look so bad. Ayton may be better than everyone else on the list but he's not that big of a loss to the Suns if they part ways.

It looks bad on the Pacers' side or maybe just fair. I am not sure. Myles had his moments and is starting to shoot outside while Ayton is learning the perimeter shots. Yeah, maybe that's why I had the thought it could just be a fair trade if ever it will materialize.

As for the list that you mentioned, Biyombo is mostly for defensive purposes but not much on offense. I'd take Saric because of his shooting threat but if I remember correctly he was injured, I am not updated yet about the status of his injury.
Never saw Jock Landale play a lot of minutes during his Spurs run.
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July 12, 2022, 10:01:52 AM
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Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves and take a look at who could be replacing him in the roster first,
- Bismack Biyombo
- Dario Saric
- Jock Landale

The deal looks like a sign and trade with Myles Turner. Pacers will get Ayton while Suns to receive Turner. That doesn't look so bad. Ayton may be better than everyone else on the list but he's not that big of a loss to the Suns if they part ways.
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July 12, 2022, 08:42:07 AM

Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.

They have some valid reasons may be the start of the problem is when Ayton didn't get a maximum contract offer from the Suns and that's when he played not the same as the year before because he thinks the team doesn't value him the way he thinks. This trade makes sense for both parties because they really need to part ways and give some room to each other and maybe Ayton will gonna have some superstar performance again when he is traded to a different team.
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July 12, 2022, 08:19:54 AM
Yes.

I guess that they're on it and aware of that possibility and they know how to pull it off. They won't be liking the trade if there's no benefit on them but as once part of it before.

He knows the rotation and he's got the idea how they play so it's not that much to adjust but we'll still see if the team will really take him.

Actually, they will not take Kevin Durant, there might be a chance but it needed Another half of the Golden State teams to be traded for him, and I think the Golden State Warriors will not consider losing 5 more players just to get KD because they already lost Gary Payton II, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Otto Porter Jr., and Damion Lee they can't afford to lose a lot more, but the Warriors have added Donte DiVincenzo from the Sacramento Kings, more likely they don't really need Kevin Durant at all,
It's up to them.

And I think they're weighing all potentials and possibilities in whether getting KD or not. They still got the key players and I also believe that they won't just release those keys to the just for KD.

Who knows what's on their mind.

There could be some surprise though.
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July 12, 2022, 06:49:26 AM
Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.
This ain't a good move from them Suns. So much was produced by Ayton that made them reach the Finals and then the West semis last year.
I don't know what they are planning but I have an idea they are going for small ball copying strategies from the likes of the Warriors and Celtics.
CP3 is getting older, chemistry will be a better ally for them than looking for the star players and force a championship roster. What the Nets did was enough proof that it fails.

Ayton has a lot of potential and he's so young with huge potential, if Suns just maximize and develop him very well for sure we can see more dominant Ayton in hard wood. But guess they are in rush of things and want to see fast result and this will totally put them in questionable state this season. For sure they can't copy the small ball line up of Warriors because GSW roosters are built and not been traded from other teams so for sure they cannot copy the team chemistry and might struggle on this area.

Suns are destroying their defensive side if they will let Ayton, actually, he is not the problem for the Suns, it's the 2 scorers, Paul and Booker who are not clutch enough during the playoffs. Maybe it's a desperate move but this move is bad IMO.
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July 12, 2022, 05:50:16 AM
Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.
This ain't a good move from them Suns. So much was produced by Ayton that made them reach the Finals and then the West semis last year.
I don't know what they are planning but I have an idea they are going for small ball copying strategies from the likes of the Warriors and Celtics.
CP3 is getting older, chemistry will be a better ally for them than looking for the star players and force a championship roster. What the Nets did was enough proof that it fails.

Ayton has a lot of potential and he's so young with huge potential, if Suns just maximize and develop him very well for sure we can see more dominant Ayton in hard wood. But guess they are in rush of things and want to see fast result and this will totally put them in questionable state this season. For sure they can't copy the small ball line up of Warriors because GSW roosters are built and not been traded from other teams so for sure they cannot copy the team chemistry and might struggle on this area.
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July 12, 2022, 05:26:59 AM
Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.
This ain't a good move from them Suns. So much was produced by Ayton that made them reach the Finals and then the West semis last year.
I don't know what they are planning but I have an idea they are going for small ball copying strategies from the likes of the Warriors and Celtics.
CP3 is getting older, chemistry will be a better ally for them than looking for the star players and force a championship roster. What the Nets did was enough proof that it fails.
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July 12, 2022, 03:43:01 AM
Richard Jefferson is going to officiate the second quarter of today’s Knicks vs Blazers summer league game. He’s doing it to expand his knowledge about how different parts of the game are prepared for. As a former player turned broadcaster, he is going to talk at halftime about the differences in preparation and what he learned. It should be both comedic and educational. It’ll air on espn 2 at 8pst.

This was a great story tonight. It was good for a nice moment as well. The first time Richard Jefferson blew the whistle as an official, he made the wrong call. He signaled out of bounds off the wrong team and one of the other referees had to correct him and reverse the call. The crowd and the other coaches let him have it too. It was a funny moment. I’m sure he immediately felt like he was in over his head as a referee.

Sure, Maybe Jefferson have some nerves and jitters on his first call and that why it's a total mistake. Lol. But it's good that he acknowledged his wrong call, at least when he analyze NBA games and when referee make a wrong call, he will now where they are coming from. As most NBA players criticized this wrong call but they didn't know the pressures this referee is going through.
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July 12, 2022, 02:39:04 AM

Thanks for the link, I will watch it later though.

But if you see Curry's emotional outburst after game 6, you will feel that something has been lifted in his shoulder winning the NBA this season when there have been a lot of chatters and noise behind team. He is not that vocal though, it as Green but they have walk the talk and so they silence all their critics with this huge win. For sure they will have to find another one just to bash or harsh critic them at the start of the new season, specially if they started on a bad note because the supporting cast has all gone now.

After that 2019 loss, it was a devastating season for the Golden State Warriors, and I have watched that video, and that 2019 loss get back to me again, they have run a smooth winning after that 2019, and right now they are devastated from that lost,

It was really surprising now that they get back up again, and I wish next season will be very fruitful for them again, although I also like the Boston Celtics to have a champion just once, the Golden State Warriors have suffered much and endured much to keep that doubting eye one them and all the critics that question them and mostly Stephen Curry himself, but for me, Stephen Curry is one of those players that I really love watching, and the Golden State Warriors is one of those teams that I love watching aswell,


Curry is a great player, he will be a Hall of Famer as he continues to get better. I saw him complain when he loses in some games, instead, it only makes him stronger to make his team better. Warriors will never forget him, he will continue to make this team a championship team and I like to see Curry retire with the Warriors as he continues to make history.

I will also watch that documentary later, thanks.

In his performance, we can all agree that he is really a GOAT in shooting and one of the best, he already makes it to the Hall of fame, along with the greats, and complaints on a loss I think is normal to complaints on a loss when you know your giving your best and all, we get to see a mentality to never really give up, and that mentality is what he is passing to all of his teammates that is why in just a small amount period of time the likes of Jordan Poole, Kevon Looney, Andrew Wiggins, we can say right now are playing like all-stars and I can not wait for the season to start again,

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July 12, 2022, 01:26:15 AM
I don't think anyone INCLUDING Ja would agree with that statement.  Ja is a good exciting young player but Mike was different.  Nobody beat Mike, no one.
I don't know, even Mike himself said that he "may" lose to Kobe in one on one. Not that because he believes Kobe is a more talented player than Mike, he himself knows that he is better, but he knows that Kobe studied Mike more than anyone ever did, and he knows what Mike does in what situation, he literally memorized everything Mike has ever done and knows his tendencies more than anyone. Sure nobody playing right now would beat Mike, but I believe there is a good case to be made about Kobe.

Also, I am not sure if big guys count, like for example it would be hard for Shaq to guard Mike, but it would be damn impossible for Mike to defend against a peak Shaq as well, but they are so much different in body size, so it could be a bit different calculation there.
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July 11, 2022, 11:32:56 PM
Richard Jefferson is going to officiate the second quarter of today’s Knicks vs Blazers summer league game. He’s doing it to expand his knowledge about how different parts of the game are prepared for. As a former player turned broadcaster, he is going to talk at halftime about the differences in preparation and what he learned. It should be both comedic and educational. It’ll air on espn 2 at 8pst.

This was a great story tonight. It was good for a nice moment as well. The first time Richard Jefferson blew the whistle as an official, he made the wrong call. He signaled out of bounds off the wrong team and one of the other referees had to correct him and reverse the call. The crowd and the other coaches let him have it too. It was a funny moment. I’m sure he immediately felt like he was in over his head as a referee.
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July 11, 2022, 08:27:51 PM
It looks like Ja Morant went overboard with his statement, hehehe

Ja Morant says he'd beat Michael Jordan in his era

Well I guess who have been following basketball for years and see Michael Jordan plays will not agree with Morant here.

He needs to get a ring, not just 1 or 2 or 3, he need to get 7, be a two way player, MVP's and beat everyone in his generation. So far he has none of that.
I don't know but it seems that there is nothing negative to me with what he said.
All NBA players and fans already know that MJ is the GOAT and no one will argue with that. Maybe Ja is saying it with respect and he has this "I'll be a better player" mindset where he uses MJ as his basis meaning he will develop even more skills.

Well, Morant is still young and he is doing some spectacular things already in the league and some sees him as the future face of the NBA aside from Luka and Trae. I like his mindset TBH but his first step to be closer to MJ is to get a title and an MVP as well.
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July 11, 2022, 06:59:05 PM
In my opinion, I respect every rising star and those who follow his steps, but with Ja's statement, it's easier to say than to prove it with converted achievements,.

We don't have to overreact to this kid's opinion and view. Everyone knows that if they compare themselves to Michael Jordan, that's high praise for the Legend since it means everyone wants to surpass his achievement. It's not challenging the Legend.

With that mindset of Ja Morant, I'm expecting to him show better and best plays next season. He also should work out on staying healthy all seasons. Players with great leaping ability and athleticism are sometimes more prone to injury. He should play wise while keeping safe although injuries can't be avoided.
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July 11, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
Reports today that Ayton is close to finalizing a deal to go to the Indians Pacers. If they let Ayton go in a trade that doesn’t also involve Kevin Durant going to the Suns it is going to end up being one of the worst moves Phoenix has made in a long time. It’s crazy to see an NBA franchise acting so emotionally. I imagine that whatever happened between Ayton and management was enough that they were unwilling to even offer him a contract extension.

I agree, you don't get people like aytun come through your organization all that often.  If he goes I wonder what theor plan is for the middle of the paint.  They are so close to having a championship team don't know why they'd want to rock the boat here.  SMH:/
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July 11, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
Man, rumors are so exhausting. Just get it done. Kyrie trade for Westbrook in Lakers has been in the news for only God knows how long. Get it done please. In my opinion the Nets and Lakers are in bad situations and this could be a win/win for both. Westbrook is not as bad people now portray him, he was just a terrible fit in LA. He's still exciting, brings fans in and recently helped the Wizards get into the playoffs with not much else other than Beal. The Nets can't do any worse than getting swept in the 1st round, have Simmons and will get pieces for KD. Make the trade deal happen.

Just get it done? lol. That's not how it works and not as simple as you think.

Although I agree with your statement that Westbrook is not that technically bad but most people are expecting good from him that's why he becomes a big deal. I'm even with the idea to keep Westbrook rather than go ahead and get Kyrie. No more drama should be involved in Lakers. Believed me, if Kyrie's signing will happen in the Lakers here in the off-season, I'm sure he will create again another drama with this team.

And for let's say, even if not, I don't see Kyrie will be fit again working with LeBron James as it's not that secret why he even left in the first place from the Cavaliers and decided not to play anymore with Bron. Chances for Kyrie to change? I doubt. He is a good and talented player but his pride is really to the next level.

Kyrie is more fit for a team that doesn't have a specific main scorer. He is acting as a leader in every team in the first place.
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July 11, 2022, 05:13:44 PM
It looks like Ja Morant went overboard with his statement, hehehe

Ja Morant says he'd beat Michael Jordan in his era

Well I guess who have been following basketball for years and see Michael Jordan plays will not agree with Morant here.

He needs to get a ring, not just 1 or 2 or 3, he need to get 7, be a two way player, MVP's and beat everyone in his generation. So far he has none of that.

I really don't agree he went overboard, He was actually respectful and full of praises for Michael Jordan but Taylor Rooks literally put the words and his mouth and from what I've learnt from Ja Morant so far, he's never going to back down from any type of challenge, and that's what I think inspires and gives him the will to do more, yeah I don't think he'd he would come any close to what Michael Jordan ever was, but I sure do think he'd have decent career too. He's barely just getting started and If he's able to get a more supporting team then he should be able to get a ring too.
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