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Quote from: stadus on July 15, 2022, 05:01:19 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 14, 2022, 01:57:35 PM

They already rid of their coach, Vogel so that is a good move already.

Yep, the Lakers made the right decision by terminating Vogel's contract as he clearly didn't handle well with the team last season. At the same time, Darvin Ham as the new head coach of the Lakers doesn't inspire hope, and I don't expect the Lakers will be able to achieve any success with him. The problem is that Ham has no experience as a head coach because he has only worked as an assistant coach until now.

Let's just give Darvin Ham the benefit of a doubt for now, I know he is somehow inexperienced when it comes to being a head coach but all coaches who became a head coach started the same stage as with Coach Darvin's situation now. The whole management surely thought of this hard and the fact that they picked Darvin as the new head coach really means something.
About Darvin Ham, I heard that he's also keen to keep Westbrook in the roster as he's willing to give Westbrook a 2nd chance to prove his worth and he also said that he could bring something out of Westbrook which Vogel didn't. Anyway, let's see!

Yeah, why not, that's why I said they made a bold move already, getting rid of the coach that gave Lebron his first ring as a Lakers. But last season was really a disaster that we already smell from a far that his head will roll and that's what happen here.

So not it's time for Ham to do his magic trick with the Lakers. He has a lot of experience as a player and then assistant coach. So for sure he has a lot to offer even with or without Westbrook on the Lakers line up for next season.

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Miami Heat are very determined to trade Kevin Durant now. Durant also seems to be willing to leave Nets at the earliest opportunity now. He has been given the priority for being traded as well. Irving might have to wait for this to happen before he asks for his trade. Losing both of their stars would be too heavy for Nets I'm afraid. As a Durant fan my new favourite team are going to be the one where goes to. Grin

It is likely to be Miami Heat for now seemingly.

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Quote from: jakelyson on July 15, 2022, 05:58:41 AM

That is if Westbrook remains with the Lakers. We all know that Lebron is keen to trade away Westbrook. Even if they fail to trade him, do you think Lebron and Westbrook will still have good chemistry after they throw Westbrook under the bus?

I hope they will remain professional because in the end if Westbrook will not play well, it will still affect the Lakers as a team and Lebron will not be happy with that. What are they going to do with Westbrook then if they don't want him to play with Lebron, are they going to treat him like Simmon of the Nets before?

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[quote author=YuginKadoya link=topic=1220979.msg60569828#msg60569828 date=165787092
In actuality, I really don't like Kevin Durant to be on the Golden State Warriors ever again, but if they are interested in getting Durant then I am happy that they did, but right now the team that really wants him and I had read on the news was the Phoenix Suns, and they will get Either Bojan Bogdanovic or Jordan Clarkson but the Jazz is still not complying to their terms, and they would like to get Deandre Ayton, and Ben Simmons,
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Now that the Phoenix Suns already have Ayton in max contract, I do not think they still have space to acquire KD. The three way trade with jazz and nets will not happen because of this development.

Quote from: Kasabus on July 15, 2022, 05:49:48 AM

New coach, different style, let's see if the Lakers system will be more effective under him. It would be a big accomplishment of the coach if he could make Westbrook better because last season was probably the worst season of Russell Westbrook after winning an MVP award.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

That is if Westbrook remains with the Lakers. We all know that Lebron is keen to trade away Westbrook. Even if they fail to trade him, do you think Lebron and Westbrook will still have good chemistry after they throw Westbrook under the bus?

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Quote from: Reid on July 15, 2022, 05:31:06 AM

Quote from: stadus on July 15, 2022, 05:01:19 AM

Let's just give Darvin Ham the benefit of a doubt for now, I know he is somehow inexperienced when it comes to being a head coach but all coaches who became a head coach started the same stage as with Coach Darvin's situation now. The whole management surely thought of this hard and the fact that they picked Darvin as the new head coach really means something.
About Darvin Ham, I heard that he's also keen to keep Westbrook in the roster as he's willing to give Westbrook a 2nd chance to prove his worth and he also said that he could bring something out of Westbrook which Vogel didn't. Anyway, let's see!

Yes, it's not like every coach is a veteran when they came in.
I like his attack, he's already optimistic about what he can do with Westbrook. A new plan from a new head coach and maybe he really have something up in his sleeves.
The difference with Coach Vogel maybe because he was a defensive coach and WB is not. That's a player who is most likely better with Coach Mike D'Antoni who plays small ball speed offense. Run and gun.

New coach, different style, let's see if the Lakers system will be more effective under him. It would be a big accomplishment of the coach if he could make Westbrook better because last season was probably the worst season of Russell Westbrook after winning an MVP award.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

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Quote from: stadus on July 15, 2022, 05:01:19 AM

Let's just give Darvin Ham the benefit of a doubt for now, I know he is somehow inexperienced when it comes to being a head coach but all coaches who became a head coach started the same stage as with Coach Darvin's situation now. The whole management surely thought of this hard and the fact that they picked Darvin as the new head coach really means something.
About Darvin Ham, I heard that he's also keen to keep Westbrook in the roster as he's willing to give Westbrook a 2nd chance to prove his worth and he also said that he could bring something out of Westbrook which Vogel didn't. Anyway, let's see!

Yes, it's not like every coach is a veteran when they came in.
I like his attack, he's already optimistic about what he can do with Westbrook. A new plan from a new head coach and maybe he really have something up in his sleeves.
The difference with Coach Vogel maybe because he was a defensive coach and WB is not. That's a player who is most likely better with Coach Mike D'Antoni who plays small ball speed offense. Run and gun.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 14, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 14, 2022, 01:57:35 PM

They already rid of their coach, Vogel so that is a good move already.

Yep, the Lakers made the right decision by terminating Vogel's contract as he clearly didn't handle well with the team last season. At the same time, Darvin Ham as the new head coach of the Lakers doesn't inspire hope, and I don't expect the Lakers will be able to achieve any success with him. The problem is that Ham has no experience as a head coach because he has only worked as an assistant coach until now.

Let's just give Darvin Ham the benefit of a doubt for now, I know he is somehow inexperienced when it comes to being a head coach but all coaches who became a head coach started the same stage as with Coach Darvin's situation now. The whole management surely thought of this hard and the fact that they picked Darvin as the new head coach really means something.
About Darvin Ham, I heard that he's also keen to keep Westbrook in the roster as he's willing to give Westbrook a 2nd chance to prove his worth and he also said that he could bring something out of Westbrook which Vogel didn't. Anyway, let's see!

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 15, 2022, 04:10:35 AM

So it means that Ayton will stay with Phoenix after-all? Things have been said and done, hopefully they can still patch up things.

However, does it mean though that Ayton could still be used as a trade bait for KD?

So the plot still thickens and everyone is waiting for any news regarding KD's request for a trade to the Suns.

Good for the Suns if they will stay but that means there's no KD in the Suns. There's a rumor that he could play with the Miami Heat, I think that team is a legit championship contender than the Suns due to their great defense.

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So it means that Ayton will stay with Phoenix after-all? Things have been said and done, hopefully they can still patch up things.

However, does it mean though that Ayton could still be used as a trade bait for KD?

So the plot still thickens and everyone is waiting for any news regarding KD's request for a trade to the Suns.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 15, 2022, 02:08:34 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on July 14, 2022, 09:50:19 PM

Yeah, and I don't think that the Suns are willing to offer him that contract, it was obvious last year. And if they can't get Durant, then they will have to suffer the consequences of allowing Ayton to leave. Or Booker might be leverage now, so it's really up to them if they are willing or else forget about the Durant sweepstakes. And good for Ayton, but there will be more burden on his shoulder as he needs to proved himself that he is all worth of that max contract that the Pacers are going to offer.

Nothing to worry in Ayton part, he already sign his dream contract and it's secure or else pacers need to

look for another option after this season, but most players are up to the money. Sorry to say, but it's no longer the same league as
before where pride is really important, it's more on the money side and how they will earn the max that they always dream after
impressing the league from their previous performances.

The younger generations though learn from the 80'-90's era. There is no security in their basketball career so they really need to get a good contract while they are still very young, sort of maximized their profits with their skills. But that is one part of the equation, they should know how to take care of their money because after basketball there will be no income for them.

~~So good for Ayton then, for sure he feels relieved now as he is going to the Pacers.~~

Seems the Suns have match the $133M offer sheet from the Pacers.

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Quote from: livingfree on July 14, 2022, 05:08:38 PM

Not yet settled unless it comes from officially that they won't do the trade anymore. I haven't seen any news yet but most of them are all about its interest for taking KD and also allowing first picks just for him.

This is a big trade that they do ask and if an interested team really wants him, they'll just going to offer something that cannot be declined or hard to decline trade.

In actuality, I really don't like Kevin Durant to be on the Golden State Warriors ever again, but if they are interested in getting Durant then I am happy that they did, but right now the team that really wants him and I had read on the news was the Phoenix Suns, and they will get Either Bojan Bogdanovic or Jordan Clarkson but the Jazz is still not complying to their terms, and they would like to get Deandre Ayton, and Ben Simmons,

Quote from: Harkorede on July 14, 2022, 05:26:52 PM

Yeah, it puts Phoenix Suns in tough spot, but I really can't blame De Andre Ayton, he was becoming no so significant to the team as he once was and during the playoffs it was pretty evident that sometimes for things to workout well for the Suns he needed to be on the bench, no player would of Ayton's caliber would like that. I however don't see Durant as step up for them either, I mean no disrespect to his abilities or work ethics but we all also know he influential he can be within that squad and that could have quite an effect on the chemistry they've built over the past 2-3 years.

If I were Kevin Durant I would just stay on the Brooklyn Nets and just like you, I also mean no Disrespect to Kevin Durant but for the Phoenix Suns and the Golden State Warriors he is not a step-up player when they acquired him, I just can't feel it that Kevin Durant will simply slip on to the team's Chemistry, for now, I think many teams are not looking on who you are as a player and what you have done, they have seen that the Warriors doesn't need a handful of Superstars to be champions they can unlock their players potential to be significant in any playing aspect they need,

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 14, 2022, 09:50:19 PM

Yeah, and I don't think that the Suns are willing to offer him that contract, it was obvious last year. And if they can't get Durant, then they will have to suffer the consequences of allowing Ayton to leave. Or Booker might be leverage now, so it's really up to them if they are willing or else forget about the Durant sweepstakes. And good for Ayton, but there will be more burden on his shoulder as he needs to proved himself that he is all worth of that max contract that the Pacers are going to offer.

Nothing to worry in Ayton part, he already sign his dream contract and it's secure or else pacers need to

look for another option after this season, but most players are up to the money. Sorry to say, but it's no longer the same league as
before where pride is really important, it's more on the money side and how they will earn the max that they always dream after
impressing the league from their previous performances.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 11:07:32 PM

They can trade him by mid January just not to the Pacers. I think under rules because Pacers sheet'd him the Suns can't trade him to the Pacers for a full year but other tes who didmt offer they can trade to by mid year.

Suns are now cornered with their own mistake of not giving the contract extension for Ayton as early as they could. They could've saved a lot of money in the process buy chose not to.

Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 11:07:32 PM

Clearly Durant is off the board now and it's probably the heat or dude stays in Brooklyn. Weirdly enough if kyrie and Durant stay with the jets this year I'd peg them.as the favorites. Both playing pissed and for theor next shot (kyrie on a one year). Dam I love the NBA. Just hope the Knicks can play with the big dogs this year so it's interesting past March lol.

They will be forced to play with each other even if they don't want anymore? Will that even work out? Well, I guess they have to work it out because they are being paid such huge amount of money.

Oh and just found out about the latest with the Ayton contract. It gets exciting.
Suns match Deandre Ayton's four-year, $133 million max offer sheet from Pacers, per report

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 14, 2022, 10:05:21 PM

Also just to add, I saw a post on Facebook regarding a proposed trade between the Pelicans and the Nets.
The Nets asked for Ingram, Nance Jr and multiple first round picks for KD. The Pelicans declined on it. Does this show that KD's value in the market really is that low? Any thoughts.

I do not think that this scenario speaks of Durant's value but rather than the capability of the Pelicans to acquire Durant. Pelican is just a small market team, and we all know that they already signed Zion to a maximum rookie extension. And I do not think that giving up their young assets is a good move for them.

Plus, do you think Durant would want to play in a small market team?

Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 14, 2022, 10:05:21 PM

It turns out that the Suns matched the Pacer's historic $133M offer sheet for Ayton. Now the Suns will keep Ayton and will prohibit him from trading without the player's consent for a full year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34245243/phoenix-suns-match-indiana-pacers-4-year-133-million-offer-sheet-deandre-ayton

The Suns lost McGee which is a huge addition to them defensively and losing Ayton means they might be at the bottom spot next season defensively. I'm not hearing any news regarding Biyombo if they will resign him. I also don't know what will be the future of Ayton with the Suns after what happened with him and Coach Monty against the Mavericks last season.

Finally, Ayton getting the money that he deserves. And the four year deal is fully guaranteed. That speaks volume.

In regards with his relationship with his coach, I think they should patch things up. They are both professionals.

Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 11:07:32 PM

They can trade him by mid January just not to the Pacers. I think under rules because Pacers sheet'd him the Suns can't trade him to the Pacers for a full year but other tes who didmt offer they can trade to by mid year.

They can trade him, but Ayton has veto power until July next year. That means he have the last word if he wants to be traded or not.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 14, 2022, 10:05:21 PM

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 02:39:01 PM

Shots fired:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say

Pacers sign him to a max sheet. Now Suns hands are tied. Let him him go for nothing or sign him to max and not be able to use him in a Durant deal. 2 days tick tock Phoenix. Should be interesting to see what happens here.

Ya, this is bad news for Phoenix. I think it basically gives them 2 days to get Durant or else they have nothing to offer. Ayton was one of the main factors in the run to the Finals for them and they might end up losing him for nothing. This is going to set them back quite a bit. They are terrible at managing their picks. Just a reminder that they could have had DeAaron Fox & Luka Doncic and instead those two picks wound them up with nothing (or maybe Durant, we’ll see.)

It turns out that the Suns matched the Pacer's historic $133M offer sheet for Ayton. Now the Suns will keep Ayton and will prohibit him from trading without the player's consent for a full year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34245243/phoenix-suns-match-indiana-pacers-4-year-133-million-offer-sheet-deandre-ayton

The Suns lost McGee which is a huge addition to them defensively and losing Ayton means they might be at the bottom spot next season defensively. I'm not hearing any news regarding Biyombo if they will resign him. I also don't know what will be the future of Ayton with the Suns after what happened with him and Coach Monty against the Mavericks last season.

Also just to add, I saw a post on Facebook regarding a proposed trade between the Pelicans and the Nets.
The Nets asked for Ingram, Nance Jr and multiple first round picks for KD. The Pelicans declined on it. Does this show that KD's value in the market really is that low? Any thoughts.

They can trade him by mid January just not to the Pacers. I think under rules because Pacers sheet'd him the Suns can't trade him to the Pacers for a full year but other tes who didmt offer they can trade to by mid year.

Clearly Durant is off the board now and it's probably the heat or dude stays in Brooklyn. Weirdly enough if kyrie and Durant stay with the jets this year I'd peg them.as the favorites. Both playing pissed and for theor next shot (kyrie on a one year). Dam I love the NBA. Just hope the Knicks can play with the big dogs this year so it's interesting past March lol.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 14, 2022, 03:30:13 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 02:39:01 PM

Shots fired:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say

Pacers sign him to a max sheet. Now Suns hands are tied. Let him him go for nothing or sign him to max and not be able to use him in a Durant deal. 2 days tick tock Phoenix. Should be interesting to see what happens here.

Ya, this is bad news for Phoenix. I think it basically gives them 2 days to get Durant or else they have nothing to offer. Ayton was one of the main factors in the run to the Finals for them and they might end up losing him for nothing. This is going to set them back quite a bit. They are terrible at managing their picks. Just a reminder that they could have had DeAaron Fox & Luka Doncic and instead those two picks wound them up with nothing (or maybe Durant, we’ll see.)

It turns out that the Suns matched the Pacer's historic $133M offer sheet for Ayton. Now the Suns will keep Ayton and will prohibit him from trading without the player's consent for a full year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34245243/phoenix-suns-match-indiana-pacers-4-year-133-million-offer-sheet-deandre-ayton

The Suns lost McGee which is a huge addition to them defensively and losing Ayton means they might be at the bottom spot next season defensively. I'm not hearing any news regarding Biyombo if they will resign him. I also don't know what will be the future of Ayton with the Suns after what happened with him and Coach Monty against the Mavericks last season.

Also just to add, I saw a post on Facebook regarding a proposed trade between the Pelicans and the Nets.
The Nets asked for Ingram, Nance Jr and multiple first round picks for KD. The Pelicans declined on it. Does this show that KD's value in the market really is that low? Any thoughts.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 14, 2022, 03:30:13 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 14, 2022, 02:39:01 PM

Shots fired:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say

Pacers sign him to a max sheet. Now Suns hands are tied. Let him him go for nothing or sign him to max and not be able to use him in a Durant deal. 2 days tick tock Phoenix. Should be interesting to see what happens here.

Ya, this is bad news for Phoenix. I think it basically gives them 2 days to get Durant or else they have nothing to offer. Ayton was one of the main factors in the run to the Finals for them and they might end up losing him for nothing. This is going to set them back quite a bit. They are terrible at managing their picks. Just a reminder that they could have had DeAaron Fox & Luka Doncic and instead those two picks wound them up with nothing (or maybe Durant, we’ll see.)

Yeah, and I don't think that the Suns are willing to offer him that contract, it was obvious last year. And if they can't get Durant, then they will have to suffer the consequences of allowing Ayton to leave. Or Booker might be leverage now, so it's really up to them if they are willing or else forget about the Durant sweepstakes. And good for Ayton, but there will be more burden on his shoulder as he needs to proved himself that he is all worth of that max contract that the Pacers are going to offer.

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Quote from: jossiel on July 14, 2022, 06:44:33 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 14, 2022, 06:09:09 PM

There's no need for the Lakers to actually get another big package in exchange for Westbrook. It's another chemistry building again which the Lakers suck.
Keep everything on the core and just revamp the bench. Give it a season more before considering breaking again the core players. The cycle will just never stop.

That's actually the key.

They just need to explore more with their options on what they actually have right now and that's the bench. Also, you're right, it will take time for another chemistry to be built and that could affect early games that they've got.

I'm sure that most teams would like to win their early games and it's no longer just a testing phase as it's always serious for them when it's all about those matches.

I have to agree with you both. Give Westbrook a chance since he already has experience playing with Lebron James and Anthony Davis. In fairness to him, he didn't act as a leader wherever he is playing with LBJ and AD on the floor at the same time unlike on his previous teams. He is just following Lebron as a playmaker and he's just there waiting for the play to design for him. That's a good character of him but it's just that his shooting percentage becomes worst last season.

If the Lakers will get again another Superstar level, prime or post-prime, they have to rebuild again that chemistry over and over again.

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Quote from: jossiel on July 14, 2022, 06:44:33 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 14, 2022, 06:09:09 PM

There's no need for the Lakers to actually get another big package in exchange for Westbrook. It's another chemistry building again which the Lakers suck.
Keep everything on the core and just revamp the bench. Give it a season more before considering breaking again the core players. The cycle will just never stop.

That's actually the key.

They just need to explore more with their options on what they actually have right now and that's the bench. Also, you're right, it will take time for another chemistry to be built and that could affect early games that they've got.

I'm sure that most teams would like to win their early games and it's no longer just a testing phase as it's always serious for them when it's all about those matches.

The problem last season to them is they are really in bad shape because they suffer from injuries and heavy upset due to their current environment. If they just build up this core and find solution to the problem for sure they can give a shot to their current line up since they are actually a respective stars on their past teams. Maybe fans and them expect to much to their current line up that's why frustration surrounds them while the season is running.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 14, 2022, 06:09:09 PM

There's no need for the Lakers to actually get another big package in exchange for Westbrook. It's another chemistry building again which the Lakers suck.
Keep everything on the core and just revamp the bench. Give it a season more before considering breaking again the core players. The cycle will just never stop.

That's actually the key.

They just need to explore more with their options on what they actually have right now and that's the bench. Also, you're right, it will take time for another chemistry to be built and that could affect early games that they've got.

I'm sure that most teams would like to win their early games and it's no longer just a testing phase as it's always serious for them when it's all about those matches.

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