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July 08, 2022, 03:27:26 AM
There is still a long time for the 2022-23 season to start. It is going to be underway on October 18, 2022. Lakers have a long time period ahead to think about the new team composition that they should be building for next season. Their lineup was really inadequate last season and Lebron had to do all the work. This caused them to have a poor season and say goodbye to the playoff round before even it started. Lebron must be waiting for proper trades to be motivated to continue playing for them.
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July 08, 2022, 03:20:48 AM
Well, a former GSW player, Payton II is no longer going to be part of his champ team. He'll be out of the team and will play for Portland Blazers. This is like a week old news but I've just seen it.

I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.
It's a sad separation but this is all for them. Now, they will have better salary in different teams and all they have to do is keep up what they are doing in their newly found family. JTA and Otto Porter Jr. also signed in a different team.
It will happen eventually and I have seen the Warriors team discover new talents in their roster, I bet they will do it again. Some name who is not a known will shine again whenever they need it.

They've gotten a better contract when they left GSW, so that is already a big plus for their career. Other teams saw them as a big potential player for them, as they have the experience now as NBA champions. JTA to Lakers, Porter to Toronto if I'm not mistaken and the biggest contract amongst ex-GSW, PGII with Portland.

It's bitter sweet but the Warriors will have to deal with it letting go of them. I'm looking for somewhat a big return in Chase center for this guys, for sure there will be a championship tribute.

Anyone who are looking for a big contract could sign to the Warriors to be trained by their system, these young guys are privileged to play with Curry and they get better. They deserve that big contract as they really work hard, now, the Warriors are ready to add new faces to prepare for the next season.

Yes, Warriors have proven that time and time again, that their organizations can build a player and then trained to become a superstar. In the long run, it's a good decision by the management to left this player go. GPII might be looking for bigger contract and obviously the Warriors can't give it to him. And they still have a lot of rookies that they improved, Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman that can replace those players that they let go. And I expect the 3 to have more playing time next season.
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July 08, 2022, 03:05:09 AM
Well, a former GSW player, Payton II is no longer going to be part of his champ team. He'll be out of the team and will play for Portland Blazers. This is like a week old news but I've just seen it.

I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.
It's a sad separation but this is all for them. Now, they will have better salary in different teams and all they have to do is keep up what they are doing in their newly found family. JTA and Otto Porter Jr. also signed in a different team.
It will happen eventually and I have seen the Warriors team discover new talents in their roster, I bet they will do it again. Some name who is not a known will shine again whenever they need it.

They've gotten a better contract when they left GSW, so that is already a big plus for their career. Other teams saw them as a big potential player for them, as they have the experience now as NBA champions. JTA to Lakers, Porter to Toronto if I'm not mistaken and the biggest contract amongst ex-GSW, PGII with Portland.

It's bitter sweet but the Warriors will have to deal with it letting go of them. I'm looking for somewhat a big return in Chase center for this guys, for sure there will be a championship tribute.

Anyone who are looking for a big contract could sign to the Warriors to be trained by their system, these young guys are privileged to play with Curry and they get better. They deserve that big contract as they really work hard, now, the Warriors are ready to add new faces to prepare for the next season.
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July 08, 2022, 03:01:25 AM
Well, a former GSW player, Payton II is no longer going to be part of his champ team. He'll be out of the team and will play for Portland Blazers. This is like a week old news but I've just seen it.

I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.
It's a sad separation but this is all for them. Now, they will have better salary in different teams and all they have to do is keep up what they are doing in their newly found family. JTA and Otto Porter Jr. also signed in a different team.
It will happen eventually and I have seen the Warriors team discover new talents in their roster, I bet they will do it again. Some name who is not a known will shine again whenever they need it.

They've gotten a better contract when they left GSW, so that is already a big plus for their career. Other teams saw them as a big potential player for them, as they have the experience now as NBA champions. JTA to Lakers, Porter to Toronto if I'm not mistaken and the biggest contract amongst ex-GSW, PGII with Portland.

It's bitter sweet but the Warriors will have to deal with it letting go of them. I'm looking for somewhat a big return in Chase center for this guys, for sure there will be a championship tribute.
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July 08, 2022, 12:05:32 AM
Well, a former GSW player, Payton II is no longer going to be part of his champ team. He'll be out of the team and will play for Portland Blazers. This is like a week old news but I've just seen it.

I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.
It's a sad separation but this is all for them. Now, they will have better salary in different teams and all they have to do is keep up what they are doing in their newly found family. JTA and Otto Porter Jr. also signed in a different team.
It will happen eventually and I have seen the Warriors team discover new talents in their roster, I bet they will do it again. Some name who is not a known will shine again whenever they need it.
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July 07, 2022, 08:30:36 PM
Carmelo has been a bit of a trouble in the past few years, he will probably find a place, but it's going to be a tough one. He turned from a great player in New York, to a bad contract in OKC to suddenly not wanted even for a minimum player for a while.

Despite the fact that the Lakers' experiment with veterans didn't work well at all, I expect the Lakers management will decide to re-sign the contract with Carmelo. Of course, Melo's performance has deteriorated significantly compared to his prime, but he is still a good shooter and could be useful to any team, especially as a bench player. Honestly, I think he deserves more than a one-year contract with a minimum salary.

Not sure about this one, I saw some twitter feed that Carmelo might not be resign by the Lakers?  didn't know if this is true or not.

For the Ayton case, his name is really floating around, whether with KD or Miles Turner of the Pacers. But for sure, he will be out of the Phoenix Sun, the damage has been done already. Specially when the Suns doesn't want to offer a huge contract to him last season. And then they suffer a defeat on the Mavs and there are people who blame Ayton for giving up on that series.
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July 07, 2022, 07:24:57 PM
There is a rumor that Pacers are interested on the services of DeAndre Ayton. They are negotiating a sign and trade centered on Miles Turner.

However, we have heard that Phoenix is also interested on KD. If they push this one, they might be erasing their chances to land the KD sweepstakes. Or it might take more players from them, maybe they will have to include Booker now or Crowder and Bridges.
Now, speaking of KD, I've seen a proposed trade on Facebook (NBA Buzz) between the Timberwolves and the Nets.

The Nets wanted KAT, Edwards and 4 first round picks in exchange for Durant. Well, the Timberwolves declined on it and I think it is a good choice knowing that KAT and Edwards are still young and talented as well. The Wolves' management don't want to give these young players to KD.

With regard to KD going to Phoenix, I don't know what will the Nets try to get in exchange for him but just basing on what the Nets asked with the Timberwolves, there is a chance that they might try to get Booker and/or Ayton and some first round picks in exchange for KD.
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July 07, 2022, 06:59:07 PM
Carmelo has been a bit of a trouble in the past few years, he will probably find a place, but it's going to be a tough one. He turned from a great player in New York, to a bad contract in OKC to suddenly not wanted even for a minimum player for a while.

Despite the fact that the Lakers' experiment with veterans didn't work well at all, I expect the Lakers management will decide to re-sign the contract with Carmelo. Of course, Melo's performance has deteriorated significantly compared to his prime, but he is still a good shooter and could be useful to any team, especially as a bench player. Honestly, I think he deserves more than a one-year contract with a minimum salary.
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July 07, 2022, 06:56:49 PM
Porzingis has good stats but if you look at his impact in the actual game, it's not that much that's why Dallas let him go. Now, that he was out in Dallas, they became a better team and they beat the Suns IIRC in the playoffs who is the favorite to win the NBA championship. I think they should also try to trade Porzingis for a younger and a healthy player/s.

Porzingis has an impact and is considered a big piece for the Dallas Mavericks but the guy is injury-prone. Aside from that, it's no secret that Luka and Porzinigs have an ongoing cold war and that's not good for the team. I think Mark Cuban itself shared that if I remember it right. It's just wise that Mavericks let go of this player but I'm sure that same behavior of him will be noticed again playing alongside Bradley Beal on the Washington Wizards.

Hoping for good health on Porzingis. One of the best players in the league that were hit by multiple injuries.
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July 07, 2022, 06:40:26 PM
There is a rumor that Pacers are interested on the services of DeAndre Ayton. They are negotiating a sign and trade centered on Miles Turner.

However, we have heard that Phoenix is also interested on KD. If they push this one, they might be erasing their chances to land the KD sweepstakes. Or it might take more players from them, maybe they will have to include Booker now or Crowder and Bridges.
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July 07, 2022, 06:36:54 PM
I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.

You have to consider that teams are managing wisely their tax. Golden State Warriors try to keep him but weren't able to match the Portland Trail Blazers' offer to Gary Payton II that's why money-wise, it's good money waiting for Payton II. That's the first time he received a decent salary that's why he take the bait. He already got a championship ring and since he's young, there are lots of chances to get that again.

Maybe just move on since there are still young players' prospects left in the Golden State Warriors' championship lineup.
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July 07, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
It is really unfortunate to the Brooklyn Nets because they didn't got what they paid for, their biggest problem last season was Irving when he denied getting vaccinated when in-fact he signed a contract to the Nets that says he must play for the team but he didn't and that was so selfish because the team needs him while Durant was still injured but he didn't bugged in to help.

The fact that Brookly Nets entered the playoffs even with those problems and situations, everything that happened on that season should be forgotten once the playoffs started. All teams are entered in a fresh 0-0 standing when they start at playoffs and if it's about seeding, I don't see that the Nets should have a problem with that as they are quite healthy entering the playoffs, faced the Boston Celtics at the first round and the rest is history.

Boston Celtics just did a great job that's why they were able to sweep the favorite Brooklyn Nets. I don't see any problem honestly with Durant and Irving's performance back then but it's just that the Celtics did great limiting the Nets' offense. Instead of just putting the discussion on why the Nets failed in their playoffs rally, not their overall performance but it's because of the much-improved version of Boston Celtics.
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July 07, 2022, 06:07:24 PM
Well, a former GSW player, Payton II is no longer going to be part of his champ team. He'll be out of the team and will play for Portland Blazers. This is like a week old news but I've just seen it.

I thought that most of them will be retained by the management but it seems only those that had really contributed a lot. Thus, this is part of the business, letting go is a must and happens most of the time.
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July 07, 2022, 05:46:18 PM

You're right. The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

And because the Brooklyn Nets were swept by the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference first-round series it was a devastating loss that surely made a lot of ripple on the internet and said that the only team that had been swept in the 1st round of the series, with 2 of NBA's finest all-star, this surely triggered so much commotion and report on how this happens, so I think they refresh their strategy and thinking in building their team with only 1 all star or still keeping both but build excellent support for both players, in my opinion in the offensive side the Brooklyn Nets is a sure monster when it comes to offense but in the defensive side I think the Nets need to work out on that,



Correct, and even if they have disbanded the role players (GPII, Porter, JTA and 2 others), they can still replace them with new players that will fit that role again. They already got one in like Donte Divincenzo who might be a good replacement for either GPII or D. Lee. They also have a good pick in Pat Baldwin Jr. and Gui Santos. Unknown name for now, but for sure when we see them played, we will be again awe at how Warriors are good at picking relatively unknown players and turn them into superstars. So it's better for them not to get KD at this point.

I think the Golden State Warriors are just focusing on the trading of their latest roster and adding additional players that may become future all-stars one day, and in addition to that they have signed a two-way contract on Lester Quiñones, a new player but we will see in the future if he has what it takes to be the next Jordan Poole or Stephen Curry, and they also have a new Drafted Patrick Baldwin Jr. Round 1 - Pick 28th that I think has a potential to be the next Kevon Looney with a 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) in height, so relatively they really don't need a Kevin Durant anymore, the players of the Golden State are reaching their potential, and I think it is because of the way they trained and how they manage their players


There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

I also think that the Golden State Warriors will not make a contract on Durant after what he did last time, and Otto Porter, Garry Payton Jr., and Juan Toscano? I haven't seen the article yet and it was never been updated on their wiki page, so I am still doubting it, losing these three players for me was sad, I really think they have fit the Warriors perfectly and GP2 was a great defender for that purpose but I think the Management surely have a plan and as new players have come older players need to go,

Baldwin is not a Kevin looney type.  The kid is more a wing who can handle the ball.  Was highly recruited out of high-school with tons of potential but went to a small college to follow his dad and only played in a coue games which he underperformed.  Golden state was probably the best fit for him in that he can learn from the likes of a klay and Wiggins to grow into a bigger role down the line. 
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July 07, 2022, 05:07:06 PM
This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

Yeah, a good team system is very important, and the Nets clearly lacked this. I agree that players' roles shouldn't overlap, and it was probably the main reason for the Nets' failure since Durant, Harden, and Irving are all scorers first, and each of them only cares about individual stats not team results. At least I don't remember someone from the Nets' big trio adapting his style of play to help the team to win something in the previous season.

We could also factor in the injuries, for their big 3 that's why it was a total failure for the Nets. Not sure how many games do this 3 have played in the Nets uniforms, Harden has hamstrings in the playoffs 2 season ago, Durant didn't start the season 2 seasons ago, and then the Kyrie drama in the pandemic. It's just very unfortunate for a team such as the Nets to not have their superstars jive together to accomplished one thing, which is to win a championship for their city. But that opportunity no longer exists as KD and Irving might not be in the Nets jersey at the start of a new season.

It is really unfortunate to the Brooklyn Nets because they didn't got what they paid for, their biggest problem last season was Irving when he denied getting vaccinated when in-fact he signed a contract to the Nets that says he must play for the team but he didn't and that was so selfish because the team needs him while Durant was still injured but he didn't bugged in to help.
This coming season, there might no superstar in the line-up of the Nets as Irving might end in the Lakers while Durant might end in the Warriors.
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July 07, 2022, 04:40:33 PM
The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

Brooklyn Nets are waiting for a big offer for sure. Durant has no choice but to wait.

Besides, the Nets don't need to take rush action until no big offer came.

Unfortunately for Kevin Durant, his preferred team, Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns won't likely sign him as getting him means sacrificing the main and key players of those teams. It's not good to keep a player like Durant that is not interested anymore to play with the team but for me, maybe Durant just feels disappointed with what happened to his teammates that supposed to help him. The best move for me is, to stay with Brooklyn Nets and try to see what the team will do to enhance their overall roster next season.

Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

That's likely the case that's why his request are still pending as of this moment, surely those teams you mentioned that has been the top seed in both conference can't provide what Durant wants. I mean they surely want KD but they also can't let go some of their important players as the ratio would probably be a 3:1 .. I also don't think that he's still interested for staying in the Nets for another year or so because he already learned a lesson in Brooklyn, maybe this time he can get his foot back at the Warrior's home.
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July 07, 2022, 04:37:12 PM
Then suddenly he decided that he doesn't want to retire anymore if he could play for a title fighting team, which they failed to do anyway.

That might be one of the reasons why he came back since the Brooklyn Nets are one of the strong contenders in the league. But as Doctors said, he is really cleared to play but his mindset is just restricting him to do as we know mental stress always defeats our thoughts even though there's no question that we are capable of doing that thing. And an offer came from Brookly Nets if he wants to play and agreeing to several factors, he accepts it.

I think it's not that just he wants to join a championship team that's why he decided to come back but maybe, he just really missed playing and wants to see if his body can still cooperate at his will and can keep up with the competition.
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July 07, 2022, 04:20:53 PM
LMA has a heart condition as far as I am aware, and he will probably not come back and retire. His whole idea was to retire to begin with, he left Spurs because of that. Then suddenly he decided that he doesn't want to retire anymore if he could play for a title fighting team, which they failed to do anyway. This is why I believe that it's going to be pretty decent reason for him to leave and retire again.

Carmelo has been a bit of a trouble in the past few years, he will probably find a place, but it's going to be a tough one. He turned from a great player in New York, to a bad contract in OKC to suddenly not wanted even for a minimum player for a while.
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July 07, 2022, 04:02:12 PM
So who do you guys like for next year? I am kind of surprised to see that they’ve (Vegas) already got the Celtics as the odds on favorite to win the championship next years. They just lost to the Warriors, and their second best player Klay Thompson was coming off major injuries and really wasn’t fully himself. I have to think he’ll be back to form or close too next year making the team all the better. I wonder if perhaps Andrew Wiggins isn’t coming back. Maybe that’s the difference.

I anticipated that already, I knew that the Celtics will be the early favorites to win the championship this coming season. Yes they had been defeated by the Warriors recently but they still got the experience needed so it's safe to say that they didn't lose at all. They will be back strong and now an improved experienced line-up.

For the Warriors, they will still get back on the top of the list if the trade will be settled. Bettors are still observing what would be the trade, Wiggins will surely go to waste along with Poole.
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July 07, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

Kyrie is mostly done and gone but even then, Nets still have Ben Simmons, and there are still plenty of drama to go around. It is better for KD to go to another team if he want to have a run for a championship.
I highly agree on that, Kevin Durant should just for himself a trade just like what he did now because he himself really knew what is coming in the team on this upcoming season. They still have Simmons and it's still not clear if he can play nor have the team on his back, KD is growing old so instead of staying in Brooklyn, he should spend his last years trying to get the championship with the right team.
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