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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 06, 2022, 10:38:07 AM

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Could just be one of these modern day players that really don’t have a position. Like Kevin Durant. I guess you could call him a small forward, but in reality he’s got the height where he’d traditionally play center but of course we all know he’s got the skills to play shooting guard and point guard, which he basically does at times.

OKC officially listed him as 7'1" Grin

That's easily an automatic Center position in 99% of basketball teams. I'm not even qualified to say this but I do hope OKC use him more on the post. He's going to be tough to guard for anyone in the league with that height/reach and shooting skills.

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We see him performed that one leg Dirk move and he hit the shot.

I mean own it and use it as an offensive weapon on a consistent basis.

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At least added like 10-20 lbs of pure muscle so that he can't just pushed around. Giannis when he built his body was not affected and he is still very fast and with that huge stride.

Yeah, I've seen him pushed around (box out) quite easily when he was at the center. The 10-20 lbs would help him establish his footing and improve in getting into positions. I don't want to compare him to Giannis though because of the difference in built. Giannis is a freak athlete while Chet is built more like KD or Dirk.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 06, 2022, 06:07:36 PM

Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

Kyrie is mostly done and gone but even then, Nets still have Ben Simmons, and there are still plenty of drama to go around. It is better for KD to go to another team if he want to have a run for a championship.

Quote from: vennali on July 07, 2022, 01:10:31 AM

Bradley Beal has negotiated in a 251 million 5 year deal and has a no trade clause in the contract. He is the only player in the league who has a true no trade clause in the contract. Beal is very very lucky to have earned a contract like that to be honest. From my point of view. Its definitely not worth it for the organisation. Beal is a good player but I don't consider him a superstar to be earning such contracts.

Maybe they are paying him for staying in the same organization his entire professional career. Or maybe they just trust him to bring a chip one day if they build around him. I think it is possible if they can bring in another star in their roster.

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Quote from: Dart18 on July 07, 2022, 01:01:24 AM

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Durant wants to play in a team where there is at least 2 all-star players on it because that is his only way to get a ring and lets face it, that's one of the main priorities if you really want to win a title. You need at least 2 all-star players in a team. Him staying in the Nets is possible as well but I don't think that he will be that productive if he will stay because he really wants to be out with the Nets and find another team. Another thing as well is that, KD will not be motivated because he will be surrounded by a bunch of average players. Kyrie wants to be out and you can't rely on Simmons anymore after what happened to him.

I don't like this idea of combining Durant with 2 stars again. The Nets team already proved it doesn't work. The Miami Heat with Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Allen is also a proof of it. They didn't win the 1st year and was defeated by the Mavs. It's only the 2nd year where they make it work.
If I were Durant, I'd rather pick a team where I would lead. Like Charlotte Hornets for example but I doubt they can afford him or they have nothing much to offer for the trade.
The other choice is like what other members said, stay with the Nets. Let them decide to trade Kyrie instead of him.

The thing is Durant can't lead a team that is why he wants to join a team that has at least 2 superstars and with the current era, you need at least 2 superstars in order for you to win a title. Just see the past champions. They have at least 2 superstars. I'd like to see Durant lead a team as well but he can't. He just can't.

He went to the Warriors because he knows that Klay and Steph can help him get his first title and he got 2 there. Now after getting injured, he thought that he wants to be a leader with his own team thus, he requested a trade and went with the Knicks with Kyrie and Harden. Obviously, it didn't work that well after 3 years because Durant can't be a leader to his team and Kyrie can't do it either.

Quote from: vennali on July 07, 2022, 01:10:31 AM

Bradley Beal has negotiated in a 251 million 5 year deal and has a no trade clause in the contract. He is the only player in the league who has a true no trade clause in the contract. Beal is very very lucky to have earned a contract like that to be honest. From my point of view. Its definitely not worth it for the organisation. Beal is a good player but I don't consider him a superstar to be earning such contracts.

Instead of him going to other teams and search for his first championship, he chooses to stay with a team where he can't win a title. Beal has no future with the Wizards and he can't get a title there unless he will be accompanied with another superstar that will help him. Beal is a talented player and a good scorer. I just don't know why he chooses to stay in Washington. Loyalty? Even though he can't get a championship there.

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Bradley Beal has negotiated in a 251 million 5 year deal and has a no trade clause in the contract. He is the only player in the league who has a true no trade clause in the contract. Beal is very very lucky to have earned a contract like that to be honest. From my point of view. Its definitely not worth it for the organisation. Beal is a good player but I don't consider him a superstar to be earning such contracts.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 07, 2022, 12:26:47 AM

Durant wants to play in a team where there is at least 2 all-star players on it because that is his only way to get a ring and lets face it, that's one of the main priorities if you really want to win a title. You need at least 2 all-star players in a team. Him staying in the Nets is possible as well but I don't think that he will be that productive if he will stay because he really wants to be out with the Nets and find another team. Another thing as well is that, KD will not be motivated because he will be surrounded by a bunch of average players. Kyrie wants to be out and you can't rely on Simmons anymore after what happened to him.

I don't like this idea of combining Durant with 2 stars again. The Nets team already proved it doesn't work. The Miami Heat with Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Allen is also a proof of it. They didn't win the 1st year and was defeated by the Mavs. It's only the 2nd year where they make it work.
If I were Durant, I'd rather pick a team where I would lead. Like Charlotte Hornets for example but I doubt they can afford him or they have nothing much to offer for the trade.
The other choice is like what other members said, stay with the Nets. Let them decide to trade Kyrie instead of him.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

Brooklyn Nets are waiting for a big offer for sure. Durant has no choice but to wait.

Besides, the Nets don't need to take rush action until no big offer came.

Unfortunately for Kevin Durant, his preferred team, Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns won't likely sign him as getting him means sacrificing the main and key players of those teams. It's not good to keep a player like Durant that is not interested anymore to play with the team but for me, maybe Durant just feels disappointed with what happened to his teammates that supposed to help him. The best move for me is, to stay with Brooklyn Nets and try to see what the team will do to enhance their overall roster next season.

Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

There is low to no chance that either the Suns or the Heat will get Durant for some reasons.
As for the Nets, they are just waiting for a good trade package deal for them. I watched a video on Youtube hours ago and if I remember correctly, what the Nets wanted for Durant is an all-star also as well as some draft picks.

Durant wants to play in a team where there is at least 2 all-star players on it because that is his only way to get a ring and lets face it, that's one of the main priorities if you really want to win a title. You need at least 2 all-star players in a team. Him staying in the Nets is possible as well but I don't think that he will be that productive if he will stay because he really wants to be out with the Nets and find another team. Another thing as well is that, KD will not be motivated because he will be surrounded by a bunch of average players. Kyrie wants to be out and you can't rely on Simmons anymore after what happened to him.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 06, 2022, 06:07:36 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

Brooklyn Nets are waiting for a big offer for sure. Durant has no choice but to wait.

Besides, the Nets don't need to take rush action until no big offer came.

Unfortunately for Kevin Durant, his preferred team, Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns won't likely sign him as getting him means sacrificing the main and key players of those teams. It's not good to keep a player like Durant that is not interested anymore to play with the team but for me, maybe Durant just feels disappointed with what happened to his teammates that supposed to help him. The best move for me is, to stay with Brooklyn Nets and try to see what the team will do to enhance their overall roster next season.

Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

If KD stays with the Nets he will be there with a bunch of nobodies. Kyrie is likely gone, and Ben Simmons is getting back surgery. KD is better off seeing if the Suns can make a deal with Ayton and someone else for him.

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So who do you guys like for next year? I am kind of surprised to see that they’ve (Vegas) already got the Celtics as the odds on favorite to win the championship next years. They just lost to the Warriors, and their second best player Klay Thompson was coming off major injuries and really wasn’t fully himself. I have to think he’ll be back to form or close too next year making the team all the better. I wonder if perhaps Andrew Wiggins isn’t coming back. Maybe that’s the difference.

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This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

Yeah, a good team system is very important, and the Nets clearly lacked this. I agree that players' roles shouldn't overlap, and it was probably the main reason for the Nets' failure since Durant, Harden, and Irving are all scorers first, and each of them only cares about individual stats not team results. At least I don't remember someone from the Nets' big trio adapting his style of play to help the team to win something in the previous season.

We could also factor in the injuries, for their big 3 that's why it was a total failure for the Nets. Not sure how many games do this 3 have played in the Nets uniforms, Harden has hamstrings in the playoffs 2 season ago, Durant didn't start the season 2 seasons ago, and then the Kyrie drama in the pandemic. It's just very unfortunate for a team such as the Nets to not have their superstars jive together to accomplished one thing, which is to win a championship for their city. But that opportunity no longer exists as KD and Irving might not be in the Nets jersey at the start of a new season.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 06, 2022, 06:59:45 PM

Quote from: RealMalatesta on July 06, 2022, 01:03:06 AM

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

Yeah, a good team system is very important, and the Nets clearly lacked this. I agree that players' roles shouldn't overlap, and it was probably the main reason for the Nets' failure since Durant, Harden, and Irving are all scorers first, and each of them only cares about individual stats not team results. At least I don't remember someone from the Nets' big trio adapting his style of play to help the team to win something in the previous season.

It should be a holistic approach, the coach, the players, the management. GSW have laid that blue print, and for sure some of factors have been lacking in the Nets, maybe it's more on the organization itself. Anyhow, since Durant has shows interest for a trade, then the Nets should get a good player in exchange of him. Time again to rebuild their franchise as obviously, the failed experiment of KD, Irving and Harden are not the usual big 3 that we have seen in the past, they easily crumbles and it seems they are not in the same page.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on July 06, 2022, 01:03:06 AM

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

Yeah, a good team system is very important, and the Nets clearly lacked this. I agree that players' roles shouldn't overlap, and it was probably the main reason for the Nets' failure since Durant, Harden, and Irving are all scorers first, and each of them only cares about individual stats not team results. At least I don't remember someone from the Nets' big trio adapting his style of play to help the team to win something in the previous season.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

Brooklyn Nets are waiting for a big offer for sure. Durant has no choice but to wait.

Besides, the Nets don't need to take rush action until no big offer came.

Unfortunately for Kevin Durant, his preferred team, Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns won't likely sign him as getting him means sacrificing the main and key players of those teams. It's not good to keep a player like Durant that is not interested anymore to play with the team but for me, maybe Durant just feels disappointed with what happened to his teammates that supposed to help him. The best move for me is, to stay with Brooklyn Nets and try to see what the team will do to enhance their overall roster next season.

Won't be harmful to test another year out of his 4 years big contract remaining for the Nets to see for some improvements. The Nets experienced some key injuries and drama last season and hopefully, no such thing will happen next season.

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Now that he's in the NBA and is playing professionally, he can focus on improving his game, body, and everything related to his basketball career. He indeed have a lot of improvement and who knows he'll be the first Center who will forever change basketball. A Center who can do everything. I might sound a bit exaggerated, but as far as how the NBA is picking on big men today, they always prefer those who can shoot and has guard skills.

I don't think that he is a pure center per se, and as we all know, NBA has evolved in the last 10 years that this big men are also shooting outside. Even the 3 point competition was a break out year last season as KAT won it.

And just like Dirk or any bigs that can shot right now, they are not pure Center, it's that they have to evolved with the ever changing landscape of the game. For sure, OKC will have a full development program for him as he might be their next franchise player.

Done watching highlight of the much talked about Chet. Yeah, I don't think he is suited for a center position. His long reach would be a good help in defense and rebounding but he should stay as a forward to maximize his skills in offense. Hopefully, he doesn't bulk up too much because that will most likely affect his agility. Might I also add that he's pretty good at moving without the ball. He'll be more dangerous if he could emulate that Dirk signature one-legged fadeaway shot Grin

We see him performed that one leg Dirk move and he hit the shot. At least added like 10-20 lbs of pure muscle so that he can't just pushed around. Giannis when he built his body was not affected and he is still very fast and with that huge stride.

I think Chet can do that as well without, adding weight without sacrificing his agility and maximize his offense. Gonna really fun watching those top rookies next season.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 06, 2022, 05:19:21 PM

I think nets are getting players like "trading asset" basically, just so they could trade other players away. What they are basically doing is, the new players they are getting plus the players they could get from irving and Durant deals, and then trade everyone away.

This would totally work to their advantage because they really need to see the team doing worse, if they are not going to win something now, they might as well get some great picks, and focus on the future, and have spaces left so that they could get players from free agency as well. It is really rare a team become champions by drafting, usually they get it from free agency most of the time.

Yes I see your point. Not that I have a problem with that strategy since rebuilding is inevitable for every team but isn't it too early to tank? What a joke and a failure this organization has been the past couple of years. They should at least get or keep someone of a franchise player caliber to keep their fans happy while they start over again.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

I cannot understand what the Brooklyn Nets are planning.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1544347690213212161?s=20&t=nkWmM-Bz7ZKjCFEarvXFmw

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Sumner is fully recovered from a torn left Achilles that cost him the entire 2021-2022 season. He had been coming off his best NBA season with the Pacers prior to the injury, and now he'll join the Nets' backcourt rotation.

Fans are waiting for the big deal that will happen because there will be movements everywhere once it's done. If Kevin Durant will be moved every team will react and try to do something big too.
I am seeing Raptors fans trying to push in claiming Durant to be on their team but some are pessimistic because it might cost them a lot of good players. The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

I think this is the most important sticking point by the Nets. They will not allow Durant to just let go without getting any big players as well.

So far we have been hearing teams like Lakers and the Raptors and even the Bulls, but at what cost to them? They term it 'blue chip' player like Brandon Ingram from Pels and Scottie Barns from Toronto Raptors. Not easy to get KD.

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The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

Every eye will be on Ben Simmons on how he will gonna fit in his new team and for him is a new chance to prove to the critics and shut them off with his new skills if he got a new one. they can actually try to experiment to acquire some youngbloods and make them play with the current superstars they have in their team to boost their experience and might become superstars in the future too. Acquiring some more superstars might create problems because you wouldn't know if they fit together and not get some ego problem inside the court.

The Nets will try to give Simmons a chance because they are paying him even if he hasn't played even 1 game after he was traded to Brooklyn, honestly, Simmons can still be an asset to the team but the downside of that is his selfishness that he will suddenly decide not to play if he has some worries or a misunderstanding in the current roster. His head became bigger when he was viewed as a star during his time in the Sixers and ultimately became the team's liability.

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I think nets are getting players like "trading asset" basically, just so they could trade other players away. What they are basically doing is, the new players they are getting plus the players they could get from irving and Durant deals, and then trade everyone away.

This would totally work to their advantage because they really need to see the team doing worse, if they are not going to win something now, they might as well get some great picks, and focus on the future, and have spaces left so that they could get players from free agency as well. It is really rare a team become champions by drafting, usually they get it from free agency most of the time.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

I cannot understand what the Brooklyn Nets are planning.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1544347690213212161?s=20&t=nkWmM-Bz7ZKjCFEarvXFmw

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Sumner is fully recovered from a torn left Achilles that cost him the entire 2021-2022 season. He had been coming off his best NBA season with the Pacers prior to the injury, and now he'll join the Nets' backcourt rotation.

Fans are waiting for the big deal that will happen because there will be movements everywhere once it's done. If Kevin Durant will be moved every team will react and try to do something big too.

This is the highlight that everyone is watching for. We don't know what they've got on their plans but everyone is expecting that KD will be moving to another team whichever his team has managed to get a good deal.

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2022, 01:51:32 PM

I am seeing Raptors fans trying to push in claiming Durant to be on their team but some are pessimistic because it might cost them a lot of good players. The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

Well, that's a fact that they're really wanting to have a good deal with him and with what I've read, the trade should also involve a star player and they think that should be the trade for KD.

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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

I don't think they can get Durant back. Even if they do, it seems like there would be some issues there with drama. I did notice that Draymond Green came out the other day and said that they wouldn't have been able to beat LeBron without Durant in their last Finals matchup. That seemingly was an olive branch to Durant, who Green famously told that they could win without him. I guess father time has made that statement no longer true.

For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid. It's interesting to see what will be the performance of warriors next season since to many of their young key players already departed from their team.

Exactly, that specific trade will be at the Brooklyn Nets advantage. Maybe not this coming season but in the long-term they will be at their advantage mainly if Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman will be at the Nets in-exchange for Kevin Durant. The way I see it, the management of the Nets are already tired of building a superteam because in the end, it will be a big disaster if the superstars won't be synchronized just like what happened to them recently.

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I cannot understand what the Brooklyn Nets are planning.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1544347690213212161?s=20&t=nkWmM-Bz7ZKjCFEarvXFmw

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Sumner is fully recovered from a torn left Achilles that cost him the entire 2021-2022 season. He had been coming off his best NBA season with the Pacers prior to the injury, and now he'll join the Nets' backcourt rotation.

Fans are waiting for the big deal that will happen because there will be movements everywhere once it's done. If Kevin Durant will be moved every team will react and try to do something big too.
I am seeing Raptors fans trying to push in claiming Durant to be on their team but some are pessimistic because it might cost them a lot of good players. The Nets are looking for something worthy of the trade. That's a fact.

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