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July 06, 2022, 01:49:14 PM

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.
The Warriors should maintain their current line-up especially these young players that have been a good asset to the team this recent season and because the coaches and staff had already invested their time and efforts, then all of the sudden they are bringing Durant again in-exchange for Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman? Nah, I also won't believe that they will let go of those 3 stated young players. Wiseman could be dangerous in the center, the kid just need more exposure to enhance his skills.
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July 06, 2022, 10:38:07 AM
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Now that he's in the NBA and is playing professionally, he can focus on improving his game, body, and everything related to his basketball career. He indeed have a lot of improvement and who knows he'll be the first Center who will forever change basketball. A Center who can do everything. I might sound a bit exaggerated, but as far as how the NBA is picking on big men today, they always prefer those who can shoot and has guard skills.
I don't think that he is a pure center per se, and as we all know, NBA has evolved in the last 10 years that this big men are also shooting outside. Even the 3 point competition was a break out year last season as KAT won it.

And just like Dirk or any bigs that can shot right now, they are not pure Center, it's that they have to evolved with the ever changing landscape of the game. For sure, OKC will have a full development program for him as he might be their next franchise player.
Done watching highlight of the much talked about Chet. Yeah, I don't think he is suited for a center position. His long reach would be a good help in defense and rebounding but he should stay as a forward to maximize his skills in offense. Hopefully, he doesn't bulk up too much because that will most likely affect his agility. Might I also add that he's pretty good at moving without the ball. He'll be more dangerous if he could emulate that Dirk signature one-legged fadeaway shot Grin

Could just be one of these modern day players that really don’t have a position. Like Kevin Durant. I guess you could call him a small forward, but in reality he’s got the height where he’d traditionally play center but of course we all know he’s got the skills to play shooting guard and point guard, which he basically does at times.
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July 06, 2022, 07:25:41 AM
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Now that he's in the NBA and is playing professionally, he can focus on improving his game, body, and everything related to his basketball career. He indeed have a lot of improvement and who knows he'll be the first Center who will forever change basketball. A Center who can do everything. I might sound a bit exaggerated, but as far as how the NBA is picking on big men today, they always prefer those who can shoot and has guard skills.
I don't think that he is a pure center per se, and as we all know, NBA has evolved in the last 10 years that this big men are also shooting outside. Even the 3 point competition was a break out year last season as KAT won it.

And just like Dirk or any bigs that can shot right now, they are not pure Center, it's that they have to evolved with the ever changing landscape of the game. For sure, OKC will have a full development program for him as he might be their next franchise player.
Done watching highlight of the much talked about Chet. Yeah, I don't think he is suited for a center position. His long reach would be a good help in defense and rebounding but he should stay as a forward to maximize his skills in offense. Hopefully, he doesn't bulk up too much because that will most likely affect his agility. Might I also add that he's pretty good at moving without the ball. He'll be more dangerous if he could emulate that Dirk signature one-legged fadeaway shot Grin
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July 06, 2022, 07:08:18 AM
For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.

They are risking their future for doing this and this will be the dumbest decision they will ever take if they really want this to happen. But for sure the Warriors management most likely doesn't want this to happen since Curry,Thompson and Green's prime is near to end as they already old so most provably Warriors will invest to their young guys knowing their new guys have great potential to be their future stars.
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July 06, 2022, 06:04:48 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.

Yeah, I saw the highlights, as he battle Tacko Fall and another 7'0 foot guy. And I would say that this kid has a lot of potential, he can shoot outside, like Dirk, has the moves like Durant as wall. Of course, the kid is very young, his body is not yet developed, so there is a lot of room for improvement as far as his size goes. But definitely, this is a good pick by the Thunder and hopefully they can developed him.

Now that he's in the NBA and is playing professionally, he can focus on improving his game, body, and everything related to his basketball career. He indeed have a lot of improvement and who knows he'll be the first Center who will forever change basketball. A Center who can do everything. I might sound a bit exaggerated, but as far as how the NBA is picking on big men today, they always prefer those who can shoot and has guard skills.
I don't think that he is a pure center per se, and as we all know, NBA has evolved in the last 10 years that this big men are also shooting outside. Even the 3 point competition was a break out year last season as KAT won it.

And just like Dirk or any bigs that can shot right now, they are not pure Center, it's that they have to evolved with the ever changing landscape of the game. For sure, OKC will have a full development program for him as he might be their next franchise player.
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July 06, 2022, 05:26:46 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.

Yeah, I saw the highlights, as he battle Tacko Fall and another 7'0 foot guy. And I would say that this kid has a lot of potential, he can shoot outside, like Dirk, has the moves like Durant as wall. Of course, the kid is very young, his body is not yet developed, so there is a lot of room for improvement as far as his size goes. But definitely, this is a good pick by the Thunder and hopefully they can developed him.

Now that he's in the NBA and is playing professionally, he can focus on improving his game, body, and everything related to his basketball career. He indeed have a lot of improvement and who knows he'll be the first Center who will forever change basketball. A Center who can do everything. I might sound a bit exaggerated, but as far as how the NBA is picking on big men today, they always prefer those who can shoot and has guard skills.
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July 06, 2022, 05:07:13 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.

Yeah, I saw the highlights, as he battle Tacko Fall and another 7'0 foot guy. And I would say that this kid has a lot of potential, he can shoot outside, like Dirk, has the moves like Durant as wall. Of course, the kid is very young, his body is not yet developed, so there is a lot of room for improvement as far as his size goes. But definitely, this is a good pick by the Thunder and hopefully they can developed him.
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July 06, 2022, 05:05:00 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.
Let's see if he still has the same performance once he already play in the regular season.

This is just a summer league, we have given a picture of his performance but that doesn't mean we will see the same performance in a tougher game.
He got the size, but I don't know if his body can compete against a bigger and more aggressive opponent.

This guy is the number 2 pick, so I believe that he really has potential that's why he was drafted.
Hopefully, he will not disappoint us because  Oklahoma City Thunder really needs him for them to improve their ranking in the season to come.
IIRC, OKC finished with a very bad record, so it's a big improvement if they will at least be in the top 8 which is not impossible.
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July 06, 2022, 04:23:29 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.
Let's see if he still has the same performance once he already play in the regular season.

This is just a summer league, we have given a picture of his performance but that doesn't mean we will see the same performance in a tougher game.
He got the size, but I don't know if his body can compete against a bigger and more aggressive opponent.
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July 06, 2022, 01:53:39 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.
Size, speed, and taking care of himself. He doesn't want to end up like Kristaps Porzingis who was expected to be the unicorn but now became a normal horse, or he is still seeking his new home. The same goes for Aleksej Pokuševski, 7 feet, 190 pounds. He needs more muscles to win box-outs for rebounding purposes.
With SGA doing everything for their playmaking and outside defense, he needs a little help from the inside, and these 7 feet guys should take care of it.
Expecting Chet to have this same performance when the season starts.
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July 06, 2022, 01:33:56 AM
Chet Holmgren looking like a good prospect. He put up 23 points, 7 rebounds, & 6 blocks (summer league record) along with shooting 4/6 from three point range. The Thunder might have themselves a good rookie on their hands. He’s going to need to put on weight but Giannis did it. With Chet’s size and skills he could be a very interesting player to watch as he starts his career.
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July 06, 2022, 01:29:37 AM
The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.
I feel like it is not about all-stars getting into the same team all together, it's the system building that decides it. If you have one superstar level PF that plays mostly inside, if you have one of the all time great players who likes to drive inside, and have a PG that usually goes inside as well, one of them being a great three point shooter, then it is quite obvious that you are going to clog the paint and it would be hard for you to be efficient and the inside would be crowded by other teams defense and would make it harder for you to score.

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

The system is the most important and the Warriors have a very good system in the NBA so far. Warriors are built slowly until they become a championship team, and Curry was not even a superstar when he entered the NBA until he proved to be one by winning games and showing some consistency.

Curry was just the 7th pick when he got drafted in the NBA, but look where he is now.
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July 06, 2022, 01:18:06 AM
The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

Every eye will be on Ben Simmons on how he will gonna fit in his new team and for him is a new chance to prove to the critics and shut them off with his new skills if he got a new one. they can actually try to experiment to acquire some youngbloods and make them play with the current superstars they have in their team to boost their experience and might become superstars in the future too. Acquiring some more superstars might create problems because you wouldn't know if they fit together and not get some ego problem inside the court.
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July 06, 2022, 01:03:06 AM
The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.
I feel like it is not about all-stars getting into the same team all together, it's the system building that decides it. If you have one superstar level PF that plays mostly inside, if you have one of the all time great players who likes to drive inside, and have a PG that usually goes inside as well, one of them being a great three point shooter, then it is quite obvious that you are going to clog the paint and it would be hard for you to be efficient and the inside would be crowded by other teams defense and would make it harder for you to score.

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.
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July 06, 2022, 12:45:32 AM

There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

I agree with that, no more Durant for this team, they are not exciting to watch anymore, I think it will make the team better but the unbeatable Warriors is not fun to watch, so I like them to make the big 3 the only superstars in the team. It's not Curry team, it's the Warriors because they played great teamwork, so they should stick with that.
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July 06, 2022, 12:06:03 AM

You're right. The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

And because the Brooklyn Nets were swept by the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference first-round series it was a devastating loss that surely made a lot of ripple on the internet and said that the only team that had been swept in the 1st round of the series, with 2 of NBA's finest all-star, this surely triggered so much commotion and report on how this happens, so I think they refresh their strategy and thinking in building their team with only 1 all star or still keeping both but build excellent support for both players, in my opinion in the offensive side the Brooklyn Nets is a sure monster when it comes to offense but in the defensive side I think the Nets need to work out on that,



Correct, and even if they have disbanded the role players (GPII, Porter, JTA and 2 others), they can still replace them with new players that will fit that role again. They already got one in like Donte Divincenzo who might be a good replacement for either GPII or D. Lee. They also have a good pick in Pat Baldwin Jr. and Gui Santos. Unknown name for now, but for sure when we see them played, we will be again awe at how Warriors are good at picking relatively unknown players and turn them into superstars. So it's better for them not to get KD at this point.

I think the Golden State Warriors are just focusing on the trading of their latest roster and adding additional players that may become future all-stars one day, and in addition to that they have signed a two-way contract on Lester Quiñones, a new player but we will see in the future if he has what it takes to be the next Jordan Poole or Stephen Curry, and they also have a new Drafted Patrick Baldwin Jr. Round 1 - Pick 28th that I think has a potential to be the next Kevon Looney with a 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) in height, so relatively they really don't need a Kevin Durant anymore, the players of the Golden State are reaching their potential, and I think it is because of the way they trained and how they manage their players


There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

I also think that the Golden State Warriors will not make a contract on Durant after what he did last time, and Otto Porter, Garry Payton Jr., and Juan Toscano? I haven't seen the article yet and it was never been updated on their wiki page, so I am still doubting it, losing these three players for me was sad, I really think they have fit the Warriors perfectly and GP2 was a great defender for that purpose but I think the Management surely have a plan and as new players have come older players need to go,
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July 05, 2022, 09:10:11 PM
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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.
It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.
Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?
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July 05, 2022, 09:09:12 PM
For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.
If that's the case, then it's a good decision for the Warriors management.
I mean, I'd rather have some younger and talented players than a player who is almost entering his post-prime period like you said. The Warriors can use Poole and Wiggins for a longer period of time, and they might be the new face of the franchise if the Big 3 will step down on their performance.

Well, I just read that article that the Warriors are interested in getting Durant, but personally I don't want it either, especially with the beef between him and Green in the past. Utilizing their younger players would be better for the Warriors. Developing Kuminga, Moody and their recent draft pick if it fits to the system. Getting role players right now would be better, especially with Payton II leaving the team, they really need another good defender right now. I'm a bit curious on which players will they get, especially a defensive player.
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July 05, 2022, 08:35:58 PM
For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.

Correct, and even if they have disbanded the role players (GPII, Porter, JTA and 2 others), they can still replace them with new players that will fit that role again. They already got one in like Donte Divincenzo who might be a good replacement for either GPII or D. Lee. They also have a good pick in Pat Baldwin Jr. and Gui Santos. Unknown name for now, but for sure when we see them played, we will be again awe at how Warriors are good at picking relatively unknown players and turn them into superstars. So it's better for them not to get KD at this point.
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July 05, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

You're right. The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.
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