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July 03, 2022, 01:36:44 AM

Dallas Mavericks

Jalen Brunson - Losing Jalen Brunson was not the smart idea for the Mavericks and Brunson had gone to the New York Knicks, this is a win for Brunson and a loss for Mavericks,

I won’t consider this as a loss if the replacement ill be better. Actually there’s a news that Dallas is in negotiation for Kyrie Irving trade[1] and this will be a great replacement for Brunson since Kyrie can carry the game without relying to Luka. Brunson is very silent on there match against GSW which is the reason why they always lose during 2nd half because Luka is already tired. They need to open more space to make this Kyrie Irving successful so I think we might more players leaving Dallas.

[1] https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-trade-kyrie-irving-brooklyn-nets-rumors-kevin-durant
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July 03, 2022, 12:41:26 AM
...., but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.
The man may have some poor work ethics but he has an undeniable potential. He is yet to reach his peak and Pelicans management is probably thinking he could overcome his injuries. I thought they did well last season without his service so keeping him could make them a serious contender in a couple of years. Ingram + McCollum + Williamson on the court looks scary.
It's not a poor work ethics, he is just unlucky that he got injured every season, if he can pass at least one season and get in the playoffs, I think he will show his true potential. Looking at his stats,  you can really tell that he belong to the list of NBA active superstars, especially for the big man.

The only problem with this young superstar, his injuries still pulling him back.

But yes, once he overcomes this and starts playing a whole season, the value of his contract might be paid enough,
with CJ being added to their lineup, his impact will be more being felt, especially if Zion is playing alongside with the
whole roster of NP. They've got a good run last season and expect more good quality games when they have Zion
playing with them.
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July 02, 2022, 11:40:28 PM
As I am reading some articles on what some teams have been doing and who're players were on the free agent

And here are the Teams with a winner and loser decision in my opinion,

Boston Celtics I really think the right move for the Celtics is to cast out players that they think are not fitted for the team,

Danilo Gallinari - is from San Antonio Spurs and getting his way for the Boston Celtics

Malcolm Brogdon - is from Indiana Pacers and making his way for the Boston Celtics but the Pacers will take back Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskas, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and the 2023 first-round pick from Boston,

Atlanta Hawks

Kevin Huerter - Traded to Sacramento Kings was a bad decision for me and traded for a draft pick player that might as well be useful or not be useful for the future, but if the dub is useful the lease is it's not going to be this season,

Dejounte Murray - Getting him from the Spurs was a win for the Hawks he can be paired with Trae Young for Offensive or defensive because of his height and reach they can surely use Muray for those outcomes,

New Orleans Pelicans

Zion Williamson the truth is this is a win for Zion Williamson gaining 5 years rookie contract for the Pelicans, but if he stays healthy for the upcoming season then it is a win for the Pelicans,

Minnesota Timberwolves

Rudy Gobert gaining this player from Utah Jazz is a fit to the bill,

Karl-Anthony Towns - signing him 4 more years contract for the Timberwolves, and with Gobert on the boat this makes the Timberwolves a solid two-tower team,

Utah Jazz The Jazz have taken a whole new player from the Timberwolves,

Malik Beasley- From Timberwolves

Patrick Beverley- From Timberwolves

Walker Kessler- From Timberwolves

Leandro Bolmaro- From Timberwolves

Jarred Vanderbilt- From Timberwolves

Dallas Mavericks

Jalen Brunson - Losing Jalen Brunson was not the smart idea for the Mavericks and Brunson had gone to the New York Knicks, this is a win for Brunson and a loss for Mavericks,
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July 02, 2022, 10:18:15 PM
...., but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.
The man may have some poor work ethics but he has an undeniable potential. He is yet to reach his peak and Pelicans management is probably thinking he could overcome his injuries. I thought they did well last season without his service so keeping him could make them a serious contender in a couple of years. Ingram + McCollum + Williamson on the court looks scary.
It's not a poor work ethics, he is just unlucky that he got injured every season, if he can pass at least one season and get in the playoffs, I think he will show his true potential. Looking at his stats,  you can really tell that he belong to the list of NBA active superstars, especially for the big man.
This kid is like Anthony Davis that despite he is prone to injury is still getting a max contract.

As we can see on his stats - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willizi01.html
I think he really deserves to earn a good contract, besides, when he is active on the floor, he is giving his everything for the team to win, so you are right, he maybe unlucky, so let's hope he will finish one whole season to prove his real worth.
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July 02, 2022, 10:06:14 PM
...., but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.
The man may have some poor work ethics but he has an undeniable potential. He is yet to reach his peak and Pelicans management is probably thinking he could overcome his injuries. I thought they did well last season without his service so keeping him could make them a serious contender in a couple of years. Ingram + McCollum + Williamson on the court looks scary.
It's not a poor work ethics, he is just unlucky that he got injured every season, if he can pass at least one season and get in the playoffs, I think he will show his true potential. Looking at his stats,  you can really tell that he belong to the list of NBA active superstars, especially for the big man.
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July 02, 2022, 09:35:28 PM
...., but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.
The man may have some poor work ethics but he has an undeniable potential. He is yet to reach his peak and Pelicans management is probably thinking he could overcome his injuries. I thought they did well last season without his service so keeping him could make them a serious contender in a couple of years. Ingram + McCollum + Williamson on the court looks scary.
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July 02, 2022, 08:58:00 PM
I read that the Lakers and Celtics are in the fight for Thomas Bryant. with 56.1% efficiency he is a good option to be signed by either the Lakers or Celtics, but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.

Some contract recently include that that kind incentives, bring the team to a championships, finals, playoffs, won an individual awards etc, you know what I mean. I think it's a win-win for both the management and the player themselves. So the player in this case is Zion W. needs to exert more effort win individual accolades and then work hard to bring the team to the next level, so it's a perfect contract for player with a huge pay.

That's what you called incentives, sometimes it's not included in the contract but it's just a management prerogative to give bonuses on their achievement. It's a way to motivate players, just like in business, if you pass the quota, you will get an incentive to reward your hard work, it's not new actually as even in local sports it also exists.
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July 02, 2022, 07:06:00 PM
I read that the Lakers and Celtics are in the fight for Thomas Bryant. with 56.1% efficiency he is a good option to be signed by either the Lakers or Celtics, but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.

Some contract recently include that that kind incentives, bring the team to a championships, finals, playoffs, won an individual awards etc, you know what I mean. I think it's a win-win for both the management and the player themselves. So the player in this case is Zion W. needs to exert more effort win individual accolades and then work hard to bring the team to the next level, so it's a perfect contract for player with a huge pay.
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July 02, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
I read that the Lakers and Celtics are in the fight for Thomas Bryant. with 56.1% efficiency he is a good option to be signed by either the Lakers or Celtics, but what made me laugh was the news that Zion Williamson even without having played games he will sign a renewal contract and the contract value is 221 million euros, but you have some conditions: he will have to get into one of the All - Nba teams or be defender of the year next season, if he doesn't make it meet these requirements then the amount he will receive until 2028 will be 185 million euros, the contract extension only comes into effect in 2023.
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July 02, 2022, 06:07:39 PM
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John Wall agrees to a 2-year $13.2 million contract with the Los Angeles Clippers!
This ain't fake news right?
I was in doubt at where the Clippers would get the cap for him but he did went down to $6.6M per year. That's it for being an injury prone player.
This is near what happened to Cousins and it might go lower to a veteran contract if ever he won't play this season again.

This isn't fake news since it also appeared on the official NBA website. Honestly, I'm not surprised that Wall signed such a small contract as he has missed so many games over the past few seasons, both due to injury and a disagreement with the Rockets management. So I think the Clippers offered that contract because they just don't want to take too many risks as there is a possibility that Wall won't play at the same high level as before. By the way, it looks like Wall's salary will be reduced by ~7 times from last season, although he's unlikely to be worried about that, considering he's already received $41 mln from the Rockets.
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July 02, 2022, 05:55:49 PM

Some basketball enthusiast thinks that it's a bad move for the Dallas Mavericks to let go of Jalen Brunson.

But if we will look deeply, that was a good move as Brunson has no plan on staying with the Mavericks. It's like a money game and his preferred team, New York Knicks win on the offer. Brunson's really goal is to play for the New York Knicks. That was his hometown and his Father, Rick Brunson is serving as as an assistant coach for the New York Knicks.

It's good to let go of a player that is not intended to play with the organization for long. Good luck though on his career on New York Knicks.
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July 02, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
So now the Jazz has twin towers? Rudy Gobert and KAT? not sure if this is a good combination and what will Rudy bring to them? I think this is a bad trade for the Wolves, except for his defense, I don't think Rudy offers something that will change the course of their team. On the contrary he might be liable again when small teams going to take advantage of Rudy in pick and roll and then simply get past by him in iso play outside.

Basically yes, but KAT might move to power forward position, maybe that's where they went him to be, post day and then shooting outside, sort of Dirk during his prime. They still have a good play maker in Russell, so there is no love lost for Rudy Gobert. He will be his Donovan Mitchell now, lob and alley oop for him, the play will continue with him.

Minnesota actually wants to get rid of Russell. I also think that Russell is not a good fit in Minnesota. His current contract is even more not worth to keep for Minnesota since he will become only a 4th option with the arrival of 3 time DPOY Rudy Gobert.  

Right, that's the speculation as well, the D'Lo will be out of Minnesota, and like the rest of you, expecting that there will be changes in Utah, either Gobert or Mitchell. And seeing that they just sign him last season with a huge contract, I thought it might take sometime before they will have to ship him out. Nevertheless, he was traded. And as far as D'Lo, we will wait, maybe he is going to be traded soon too with another guard or remain with team for the time being.

By the way, are there any news about the Warriors adding some big man in their roster through trade?

They still have another big man, James Wiseman, a young talented center. He just missed the remainder of last season due to injury, but is expecting to return next season.

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July 02, 2022, 04:36:25 PM
Just in as news: Looney stays with the Warriors on a 3-year contract for a $25.5M deal.
(https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/kevon-looney-re-signs-3-year-deal-with-warriors)

That's already a good deal, he is not a superstar but he showed hard work during the playoffs that made the team the NBA champion. I like the management decision of making him stay he really deserves to be in the Warriors because he has a heart of a champion.
Yup, that's a good deal for him, and is retained to the defending champion team is already a blessing to him. It was said that they'll keep each of them as much as they can and hopefully they'll keep that promise and words that have been said.

By the way, are there any news about the Warriors adding some big man in their roster through trade?
I've heard no news about that.
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July 02, 2022, 03:37:50 PM
Spacing is important in the league these days, and these players would have to cover many positions, and having two bigs in the same team means that they may not be able to defend perimeter as well as they hoped they would. We are in an age of 6'7 PF's here and there in some teams.

Actually, we are witnessing for several years now that having a big man is not necessary anymore. Don't get me wrong that it's not 100% necessary but the league evolves now where everyone is now shooting outside making big man just a slight advantage for the team.

About the trade happened involving KAT and Gobert, maybe it will bring impact to the team but not truly an advantage.

The meta on NBA today is having a good role players that has a good field goal percentages. That's hard to defend compare defending in the paint.
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July 02, 2022, 02:47:00 PM
Jazz do not have twin towers, Minnesota does. Jazz got other players, they traded away Gobert. Meaning Wolves would be a bit weird in the league compared to how others play. I know that shooting and so forth matters a lot in the league these days, but having KAT and Gobert at the same time on the floor could either make this an amazing trade, or it could make it a terrible one.

Spacing is important in the league these days, and these players would have to cover many positions, and having two bigs in the same team means that they may not be able to defend perimeter as well as they hoped they would. We are in an age of 6'7 PF's here and there in some teams.
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July 02, 2022, 12:46:43 PM
So now the Jazz has twin towers? Rudy Gobert and KAT? not sure if this is a good combination and what will Rudy bring to them? I think this is a bad trade for the Wolves, except for his defense, I don't think Rudy offers something that will change the course of their team. On the contrary he might be liable again when small teams going to take advantage of Rudy in pick and roll and then simply get past by him in iso play outside.

Seems a bad trade but they could make this roster work. KAT will have to play PF and put Rudy on the Center position. This might work, however the game of NBA today has changes so much that the scores might usually comes from a three pointer. The Wolves might have a strong inside presence but might not work with an opponent who have a lot of shooters.
The wolves could also put Rudy on the 2nd squad.

They make that decision so I believe they already know their weakness and strengths. Keeping both big man in the team, that's a big advantage if they will play big as they will own the paint, but let's see if it will work in the actual game as in paper they look good now.

All we can do is let's wait when they are in the game twin tower in a team is a good for defense also they can get more points in paint and that's the advantages of have a twin tower. But I don't think so it will be more successful in every match cause we all know that the other small team uses speed and three point plays so they can scores will against the giant team's to it's more exciting on how they support or play in the game.
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July 02, 2022, 12:40:29 PM
I like what the Knicks did in free agency so far.  Signed a point guard who is young and has huge potential and he is only the 12-15th highest paid pg in the league.  Good range.

Then they resigned big mitch for another 4 years.  Dude is only 24 and has gotten better each year.  The backend of that deal might look like an absolute steal. 

Then parting ways with some of the older guys to make room for playing time for the younger guys.  Not a championship move but a move in the right direction.
I won't let go of Mitchell too if I am the Knicks management. It's difficult to find large guys with that amount of agility. Soon, he will be one of the stars in the league.

So it did happen.
https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/status/1542906044719910912?s=20&t=G1hm3JP5j8ry_9o-nYTpyg
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John Wall agrees to a 2-year $13.2 million contract with the Los Angeles Clippers!
This ain't fake news right?
I was in doubt at where the Clippers would get the cap for him but he did went down to $6.6M per year. That's it for being an injury prone player.
This is near what happened to Cousins and it might go lower to a veteran contract if ever he won't play this season again.
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July 02, 2022, 11:02:44 AM
Honestly, it's already a good team for Looney, to stay with the Warriors for 3 years. I guess if the Warriors can win even 1 out of those 3 years that he is in, it's already a good return. And it's not about the money for a player like Looney, it's about the chemistry and the camaraderie as he was part of the team in their last championship run.

Loyalty wins. I think Kevon Looney is receiving a much good offer on other teams better than the $25M for 3 years term by the Golden State Warriors but he remains loyal to the team who drafted him. As the article pointed out, a contract extension is somehow a good appreciation of that said player.

The Warriors did a good job on retaining Looney as they have already given up some of their key players recently. It seems that the Warriors are now considering improving their inside strength on both offense and defense. I wonder if they will give up again another player that contributed to their championship run this year.
IMO, I don't mind at all. I am happy that players who are not really known in the league were given a chance to have a better salary after being a champion.
They deserve it, they worked hard for it.
So if ever one more player will leave the Dubs, I will still be happy for them.
But that move by Looney was something to put on the front page of the San Francisco news. He showcased a performance that we didn't expect and that includes defending Tatum and stopping him even though we all know it's a mismatch. I mean, that's why a switch happens.
Here's the latest after that Looney news.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1543011935398117377?s=20&t=PT2B391P1I6g9Qbm0NBn2w
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Free agent Donte DiVincenzo has agreed to a two-year, $9.3 million deal with the Golden State Warriors, sources tell
@TheAthletic
 
@Stadium
. Player option in Year 2.
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July 02, 2022, 10:02:58 AM
I like what the Knicks did in free agency so far.  Signed a point guard who is young and has huge potential and he is only the 12-15th highest paid pg in the league.  Good range.

Then they resigned big mitch for another 4 years.  Dude is only 24 and has gotten better each year.  The backend of that deal might look like an absolute steal. 

Then parting ways with some of the older guys to make room for playing time for the younger guys.  Not a championship move but a move in the right direction.
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July 02, 2022, 09:05:44 AM
Honestly, it's already a good team for Looney, to stay with the Warriors for 3 years. I guess if the Warriors can win even 1 out of those 3 years that he is in, it's already a good return. And it's not about the money for a player like Looney, it's about the chemistry and the camaraderie as he was part of the team in their last championship run.

Loyalty wins. I think Kevon Looney is receiving a much good offer on other teams better than the $25M for 3 years term by the Golden State Warriors but he remains loyal to the team who drafted him. As the article pointed out, a contract extension is somehow a good appreciation of that said player.

The Warriors did a good job on retaining Looney as they have already given up some of their key players recently. It seems that the Warriors are now considering improving their inside strength on both offense and defense. I wonder if they will give up again another player that contributed to their championship run this year.
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