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Quote from: Rikafip on May 08, 2020, 01:42:52 PM

Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

Their defense is one of the top because of Turner and Sabonis. The missing part is fire power which was Oladipo before the injury.

They indeed need firepower, as this season they are only 22nd team per points scored (109.3 ppg), that's why I hoped last summer that they will somehow keep Bogdanovic, he was great there and fans loved him too. I guess they simply couldn't pay him, even though he wasn't that expensive (4 years/73 million) considering how good he is. Basically steal by Jazz, maybe even best free signing last year.

Oh crap I forgot about Bogdanovic.
Could this be the reason into why they want to release one of their stars?
They might be over their salary cap and just want to keep this firepower of them.

I mean, they know they are strong in the defensive end but it needs to be balanced.
They want offense and Bogdanovic is the answer which caught a lot of attention.

Hmm, so it is possible that theory will happen. A sacrifice that might make a better team.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 06:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

We will see it by the half quarter of this year if this crisis is solved or not. There can be an alternative for them and the two actual teams will be just the ones that will be present for that game and no audience and crowd.
But, I don't think that NBA will sacrifice that because that's how they make money for each game.

They will be losing billions of dollars if they will cancel the season, they might just continue with the measures they will have to impose, no fans, it doesn't matter, they will be in live TV, that's still NBA. What would happen to the millions of contract the players will receive or entitled during this year if the season will be cancelled, I think they are also think about that, and how about those endorsers who have already paid the players, a lot of things will be sacrifice if they will cancel the season, so I think they are making something to resume soon.

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The problem with lockdown season is there is usually a lockdown salary as well. If players only play 60 games next season they are going to get paid for 60 games. So they are trying to figure out a way that will help them get 82 games a season in order for both the owners to make the most money while players get the most money as well (and technically we get the most fun too). So if they do end up this season and do a short season for next year, they will not get the most out of it.

However idea stands, they could start the season at first, finish early december, start back again on january, and finish august instead, and they could go back to starting on october again and just become normal after that, it only screws up next year and after that it recovers like nothing happened. Would players be more tired? Sure. But they would at least be safer and they would still make the most amount of money. That seems to be the only method that players could be both safe and also rich, all other methods they consider are either riskier or less money.

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I think they could still combine it with next year and somehow make it work but I have never seen that talked anywhere at all. Remember the fact that we had many lockdown seasons, players can basically decline to play whenever they want and they get a lockdown and suddenly they play like a 60 game season or whatever or 50 game season and what not, this has happened before and it happened couple times as well not just once.

So, all they have to do is wait until all of this is over, and by the start of September on first day just start the league back up, play 20 games in about 2 months, and play the playoffs probably at the same times as well because that is usually already quick, which gives them about 3 months, which is around December. Start the new season on January give the players December as a break, and instead of ending at April, make them play 50-60 games and end in June instead. This could totally work if they even consider it.

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Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

A healthy Oladipo. That is the crucial question about the Pacers.
If only that injury didn't happen they could one of the top contenders in the East.

Yep, with him healthy and with Brodgon, Sabonis and Turner playing like this, they would be legit contenders. But question is do Pacers believe that he will be able fully recover from injury and play at previous All Star level? Rumour is that they offered him 4years/80 million contract, and he naturally snubbed it as it is even smaller than his current one. I must say that's a bit weird offer, like they don't really believe that he can play at previous level, or maybe they are just testing the ground. Oladipo supposed to be their franchise player, and even if they trade him, who can they get for him. Worst case scenario is they let him go, but since they are small market team, I don't see them attracting some big star.

Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

Their defense is one of the top because of Turner and Sabonis. The missing part is fire power which was Oladipo before the injury.

They indeed need firepower, as this season they are only 22nd team per points scored (109.3 ppg), that's why I hoped last summer that they will somehow keep Bogdanovic, he was great there and fans loved him too. I guess they simply couldn't pay him, even though he wasn't that expensive (4 years/73 million) considering how good he is. Basically steal by Jazz, maybe even best free signing last year.

Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

Watched CNN just now and they are letting Portland Trail Blazers to have some practice provided 4 players only with social distancing.

Step into right direction I would say.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 06:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

We will see it by the half quarter of this year if this crisis is solved or not. There can be an alternative for them and the two actual teams will be just the ones that will be present for that game and no audience and crowd.
But, I don't think that NBA will sacrifice that because that's how they make money for each game.

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Quote from: Questat on May 08, 2020, 07:38:11 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 06:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

Another speculation but it's good to know you are positive with it.
NBA is something to miss because we have been seeing it daily before and not only that we are also betting that's why this game is more important to us.

There is no need for a crowd to witness the game, as long its live that would be enough and it doesn't matter if we pay for it as long as we will see a real game.

I vote with the optimistic view too. Grin

I hate to see our dear NBA missing a championship and looking at history or wikipedia asking why there is a blank year without a champion.
Plus, the players made all the effort to win games specially those who are on the top. Lakers, Bucks, etc.
I would love to see them play even by shortening the playoffs and then just having a full Finals game at 7.

Oh how I miss watching a live game. NBA page are just full of replays and highlights. Worse, I had already watched a lot of them.
I am now just trying to have fun watching Shaqtin A Fool. Grin

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 07, 2020, 10:04:20 PM

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Just imagined if Sixers have a good backup on the bench and not just the team is revolving around Embiid and Simmons. They can likely dominate the East.

They can improve if they want but let's give that win to the Raptors, I also bet on the Sixers to win against that series but the Raptors are just the stronger team and they have a better chemistry than the Sixers, I admire that they trust Leonard and Leonard also trust his teammates, that's their secret to success.

That last shot of Kawhai gave them the revenge way back against AI, same with your opinion it's really the chemistry that brings the win for the Raptors
each players inside the court really contribute, Kawhai leads them the right way and players around him really play the role to help him.
Raptors deserve that win we seen that from how they've fought for the title.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 06:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

Another speculation but it's good to know you are positive with it.
NBA is something to miss because we have been seeing it daily before and not only that we are also betting that's why this game is more important to us.

There is no need for a crowd to witness the game, as long its live that would be enough and it doesn't matter if we pay for it as long as we will see a real game.

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Quote from: Finestream on May 08, 2020, 05:38:53 AM

Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

Watched CNN just now and they are letting Portland Trail Blazers to have some practice provided 4 players only with social distancing.

So I was not able to watch it as I don't have time but I am expecting that the kind of practice is just more on shooting.
With this practice they are doing, will this hint that the season will not be cancelled and will come back soon with a different set up?

No, not, if that practice were a hint social distancing won't ever be a condition, IMO. On the other hand, Portland may be wanna maintain posture while NBA games are still cancel. But whatever, who knows lol.

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A healthy Oladipo. That is the crucial question about the Pacers.
If only that injury didn't happen they could one of the top contenders in the East.
That is why I am a little shock about that Turner trade conspiracy theory. They have a chance of course, they will just need to wait for Oladipo to get back on his feet and also be mentally ready.
Their defense is one of the top because of Turner and Sabonis. The missing part is fire power which was Oladipo before the injury.

This could be conclude once Oladipo got his chance to play once again. I mean, the usual time he has and everything else would be measure then, like if he's still capable of dominating the floor or what. It might be a huge gamble at somepoint but they could widen the cap, and they could fill in their desired player. (This is from Oladipo's case).

While to Pacers big mans (Turner and Sabonis thing), well, Turner might get traded to KAT the thing is, KAT got a better career record than Turner hence, it might turnout Pacers givin' in 1-2 guys including Turner to get KAT. This solely base on the players alone, though Minnesota is currently a mess it doesn't drag down KAT's decency as a player. So, that might be it.

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Quote from: Finestream on May 08, 2020, 05:38:53 AM

So I was not able to watch it as I don't have time but I am expecting that the kind of practice is just more on shooting.
With this practice they are doing, will this hint that the season will not be cancelled and will come back soon with a different set up?

I don't think so.
Other teams had also been given the chance to practice in their own basketball floor even before Portland was.

Health professionals are having doubts if it is really safe by now.
The numbers of patients are still increasing and even President Trump's valet are tested positive for Covid19.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html
We all know he doesn't wear a mask, which is scary.

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

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Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 04:12:38 AM

Watched CNN just now and they are letting Portland Trail Blazers to have some practice provided 4 players only with social distancing.

So I was not able to watch it as I don't have time but I am expecting that the kind of practice is just more on shooting.
With this practice they are doing, will this hint that the season will not be cancelled and will come back soon with a different set up?

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Quote from: tbterryboy on May 07, 2020, 03:06:27 PM

So, I think breaking it all down and starting to rebuild and hoping to get couple of good rookies would be ideal for them. Look at sixers, they basically got only 2 good rookies with Embiid and Simmons, most others are trades they did to get there and honestly they are doing pretty well, they almost beat latest champions and only lost because of Kawhi's famous shot.

Breaking it all down and rebuild the team would be an overkill for current Pacers situation. Sure, they are not contenders, but they are not thrash either that they should take such a drastic measure. Even without their best player avail Le for most of the season, they have pretty decent recordings this season.
What they need is healthy Oladipo and getting something valuable for Turner, and I think that they would reach conference final. Still probably not strong enough to beat the Bucks, but they could put up a good fight.

What we know though is that Pacers are not afraid to trade even their best players, like when they traded Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis, so who knows, maybe even Oladipo gets traded this time. Question is, what can they get for him?

Another question is Oladipo contract, that expires next year. Currently he is on 4 years/$85 million contract, but he will certainly ask for much more than that. So if Pacers don't want to trade him, they will have to offer I would say maybe even 30/year for him to stay and I'm not so sure that they will go for that.

Sadly, I don't have merits to share. I agree with everything and you have a point.

A healthy Oladipo. That is the crucial question about the Pacers.
If only that injury didn't happen they could one of the top contenders in the East.
That is why I am a little shock about that Turner trade conspiracy theory. They have a chance of course, they will just need to wait for Oladipo to get back on his feet and also be mentally ready.
Their defense is one of the top because of Turner and Sabonis. The missing part is fire power which was Oladipo before the injury.

Watched CNN just now and they are letting Portland Trail Blazers to have some practice provided 4 players only with social distancing.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 07, 2020, 01:27:38 PM

Quote from: Natalim on May 07, 2020, 10:03:57 AM

I think they will only trade Turner and they will keep Oladipo, but the question is who is going to be traded in Pacers in exchange of Turner.
Actually Turner as a big man is good defensively but if the pacers are looking of some offense and defense, I don't know who can provide that from the Wolves, maybe Towns, but for sure it's not gonna happen.

Turner is a very good player, but Domantas Sabonis is even better, imho, so you gotta do what you gotta do. It ain't easy to let player like Turner go, but in current NBA i don't think that you can use 2 big guys at the same time and fight for championship. And it's not fair to both those payer, to constantly share game time, and not using them to fullest potential.I agree with Oladipo part as well, Pacers will wait for him. I doubt that they can get player similar to his level before injury, and without player like him, they won't be contenders, and that;s something I would really like to see, as I am fan of those kind of teams, that come from smaller markets.

With that being said, I doubt that Turner would like to end up in the team like Timberwolves as they are complete mess (not that he will any say about that though), and from that article, I don't think that Wolves can offer anything good for him.

He is good of course especially this season where I can see he has improve a lot, but in terms of consistency, I see it on Turner because his position being a center fits for him, so if you are saying that Sabonis will be Center when Turner will be traded, that will still remain to be seen if he will be effective in that position.

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Quote from: tbterryboy on May 07, 2020, 03:06:27 PM

So, I think breaking it all down and starting to rebuild and hoping to get couple of good rookies would be ideal for them. Look at sixers, they basically got only 2 good rookies with Embiid and Simmons, most others are trades they did to get there and honestly they are doing pretty well, they almost beat latest champions and only lost because of Kawhi's famous shot.

Breaking it all down and rebuild the team would be an overkill for current Pacers situation. Sure, they are not contenders, but they are not thrash either that they should take such a drastic measure. Even without their best player avail Le for most of the season, they have pretty decent recordings this season.
What they need is healthy Oladipo and getting something valuable for Turner, and I think that they would reach conference final. Still probably not strong enough to beat the Bucks, but they could put up a good fight.

What we know though is that Pacers are not afraid to trade even their best players, like when they traded Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis, so who knows, maybe even Oladipo gets traded this time. Question is, what can they get for him?

Another question is Oladipo contract, that expires next year. Currently he is on 4 years/$85 million contract, but he will certainly ask for much more than that. So if Pacers don't want to trade him, they will have to offer I would say maybe even 30/year for him to stay and I'm not so sure that they will go for that.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 07, 2020, 10:04:20 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on May 07, 2020, 07:15:41 PM

Just imagined if Sixers have a good backup on the bench and not just the team is revolving around Embiid and Simmons. They can likely dominate the East.

They can improve if they want but let's give that win to the Raptors, I also bet on the Sixers to win against that series but the Raptors are just the stronger team and they have a better chemistry than the Sixers, I admire that they trust Leonard and Leonard also trust his teammates, that's their secret to success.

Leonard is already proven to be a good team player, he can carry the team, he just need a little support from his teammates and they will win.
In the last season, it was him who is the most consistent on his team, and despite playing some little injury but we can see how smart he is when already in the floor, of course we cannot deny that the Sixers are a good team but that time, the Raptors were underrated.

they beat the Bucks even if they are the underdog and I've seen how Leonard take this team to the NBA finals.

Quote from: Reid on May 07, 2020, 10:51:58 PM

They might really risk one in exchange for a forward maybe or another shooter for addition at the offensive line.

we will follow this, hopefully the Pacers here will not make a bad decision trading a very reliable center.

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Quote from: Natalim on May 07, 2020, 10:03:57 AM

I think they will only trade Turner and they will keep Oladipo, but the question is who is going to be traded in Pacers in exchange of Turner.
Actually Turner as a big man is good defensively but if the pacers are looking of some offense and defense, I don't know who can provide that from the Wolves, maybe Towns, but for sure it's not gonna happen.

Yeah, it's difficult to look for a big man with the same agility.
Turner might be one of the effective centers in the league. So it going to be a difficult situation for them to trade this guy.

As said in my link it is like they will risk him for a number 1 draft pick. But it is still a theory.
It may also be because they have Sabonis already and want to free one big man.

Both are young at 24 years old, good below the rim and also have a mid range shooting.
They might really risk one in exchange for a forward maybe or another shooter for addition at the offensive line.

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Quote from: chaser15 on May 07, 2020, 07:15:41 PM

Just imagined if Sixers have a good backup on the bench and not just the team is revolving around Embiid and Simmons. They can likely dominate the East.

They can improve if they want but let's give that win to the Raptors, I also bet on the Sixers to win against that series but the Raptors are just the stronger team and they have a better chemistry than the Sixers, I admire that they trust Leonard and Leonard also trust his teammates, that's their secret to success.

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Quote from: tbterryboy on May 07, 2020, 03:06:27 PM

Look at sixers, they basically got only 2 good rookies with Embiid and Simmons, most others are trades they did to get there and honestly they are doing pretty well, they almost beat latest champions and only lost because of Kawhi's famous shot.

If it's about being beaten by the Raptors, not a good basis. Sixers are the favorites on that game. During that time, no one even expected that Raptors will win all the way to ECF.

Sixers are lacking good role players from the bench and that was a concern for years since Embiid and Simmons arrived. Embiid is on fire last season as he is determined to get the NBA season MVP although he failed but if I'm not mistaken, he was on Top 5. His stats are incredible and even get the record as the only other big man, aside from Wilt, in Sixers team history with multiple triple-doubles in the same season.

Just imagined if Sixers have a good backup on the bench and not just the team is revolving around Embiid and Simmons. They can likely dominate the East.

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I think it is not even about having 2 good big guys that you should send to someone else to get better. I mean you could always have 2 good players at center as long as you have other parts ready as well, it all depends on the talent level you have plus the cap situation you are having as well. If you have 5 players who are all great, your sixth could be a center as well without a doubt. However pacers need other parts to get better as well, right now they do not have that 5 great one so they will of course look to trade and turner is a national team level player so they could get something great for him.

Personally I would look for draft picks, because with draft picks you are not sure what you are getting, when you get a player you know what you get out of a deal and it is usually either under or equal to what you are giving, rarely better but even that happens just a bit. However when you get draft pick you might get something insanely much better.

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