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May 12, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.
It is a fact that Isiah Thomas was definitely good enough to be invited to Dream Team, as he was one of the best PG of that time (with Stockton and Magic Johnson) but I don't think it was Jordan's fault that he wasn't part of the team in the end, as several other players had feud with Isiah, like Larry Bird for example. He was a bad boy of NBA, that's the rep he got due his style, so it is possible that decision was made purely due team chemistry issues. Those were different times, players had real rivalries back then, as they didn't just move to different teams in order to get titles, like they are doing now. I guess we will never know for sure..
Yes.

That's for sure, we'll never know the truth with that. And this issue that was brought up will remain too as is.
Considering also that Dream Team was coached by Chuck Daly but the team don't have any representative, Isiah Thomas should be there as he's fit with every qualifications that being asked. From what we had heard this issue was been pointed to MJ though until now there's no clear explanation why he wasn't been invited, aside from linking everything to MJ's influenced and how the stories being told.
MJ is known and that probably would be one of the issues in the press that's still a question.

They would dig up on MJ so that if he knows something, then he'll tell the real details but it seems they just have to give up and leave him at peace.
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May 12, 2020, 10:14:11 AM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.
It is a fact that Isiah Thomas was definitely good enough to be invited to Dream Team, as he was one of the best PG of that time (with Stockton and Magic Johnson) but I don't think it was Jordan's fault that he wasn't part of the team in the end, as several other players had feud with Isiah, like Larry Bird for example. He was a bad boy of NBA, that's the rep he got due his style, so it is possible that decision was made purely due team chemistry issues. Those were different times, players had real rivalries back then, as they didn't just move to different teams in order to get titles, like they are doing now. I guess we will never know for sure..
Yes.

That's for sure, we'll never know the truth with that. And this issue that was brought up will remain too as is.
Considering also that Dream Team was coached by Chuck Daly but the team don't have any representative, Isiah Thomas should be there as he's fit with every qualifications that being asked. From what we had heard this issue was been pointed to MJ though until now there's no clear explanation why he wasn't been invited, aside from linking everything to MJ's influenced and how the stories being told.
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May 12, 2020, 06:53:35 AM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.
It is a fact that Isiah Thomas was definitely good enough to be invited to Dream Team, as he was one of the best PG of that time (with Stockton and Magic Johnson) but I don't think it was Jordan's fault that he wasn't part of the team in the end, as several other players had feud with Isiah, like Larry Bird for example. He was a bad boy of NBA, that's the rep he got due his style, so it is possible that decision was made purely due team chemistry issues. Those were different times, players had real rivalries back then, as they didn't just move to different teams in order to get titles, like they are doing now. I guess we will never know for sure..
Yes.

That's for sure, we'll never know the truth with that. And this issue that was brought up will remain too as is.
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May 12, 2020, 06:32:57 AM
Every bit of episodes in Last Dance was superb. I enjoyed all the documentary.

Now, I wonder what would be the last two episodes left.  Cheesy
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May 12, 2020, 06:11:42 AM
Rika. Next time put this. (spoiler alert)  Grin
Just kidding.
I will watch this later on.
You are slacking, pick up the pace Cheesy
I know right. I was just savoring the moments.  Grin

Pippen said that? Being a star went to his head.
Now he is working as an analyst because of his poor decisions in life.
Broken jet, bad investment, etc. He needs a little advise from someone else. He can't manage his money and how he talks in the media.  Grin
He found that disrespecting, as he was the best player on that team, and then some rookie got last shot. I can understand him being pissed off, that is probably natural in this situation, but rejecting to play was an overkill. That way you are disrespecting your coach and whole team. There was a reddit AMA few days ago with Kukoc, and he said that Pippen helped him a lot in those first 2 years, so at least there was no bad blood between those two, probably because Toni is a really easy going and relaxed guy. Little known fact: he was making more money in Europe than Pippen made in NBA , at that time, as Benetton was paying him $3 million per year, crazy amount of money for Europe and for that time.

Still, it was a team so he should go with it.
Give the rookie a chance. Problem with lots of veterans and with their egos.

He ain't American and that may be the reason into why he had the patience.  Grin
Not that I am a racist.  Grin
Kukoc could have left them anytime to just go back in Europe but I guess he saw something unique in that Bulls team.
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May 12, 2020, 04:16:37 AM
Rika. Next time put this. (spoiler alert)  Grin
Just kidding.
I will watch this later on.
You are slacking, pick up the pace Cheesy


Pippen said that? Being a star went to his head.
Now he is working as an analyst because of his poor decisions in life.
Broken jet, bad investment, etc. He needs a little advise from someone else. He can't manage his money and how he talks in the media.  Grin
He found that disrespecting, as he was the best player on that team, and then some rookie got last shot. I can understand him being pissed off, that is probably natural in this situation, but rejecting to play was an overkill. That way you are disrespecting your coach and whole team. There was a reddit AMA few days ago with Kukoc, and he said that Pippen helped him a lot in those first 2 years, so at least there was no bad blood between those two, probably because Toni is a really easy going and relaxed guy. Little known fact: he was making more money in Europe than Pippen made in NBA , at that time, as Benetton was paying him $3 million per year, crazy amount of money for Europe and for that time.



We all know that there was some fight between Magic Johnson and I.Thomas , they even had a one on one thing together and it ended up with them resolving their issues and they both cried and so forth. Which means it can't be just Jordan, sure he was coming off victory over Thomas and so forth and they hated each other and those were understandable stuff, Jordan probably played a ROLE in that, however that doesn't change the fact that both Larry Bird and Magic Johnson hated Thomas as well.
Exactly, many had feud with Isiah, but it was easiest to just pin it all on MJ. Sure, he was the most popular and best player on that team, but i really doubt that he could boss around Magic and Bird, who were huge and influental players. It was most likely  a joint decision. You reap what you saw, as simple as that. They didn't need him to win that Olympics anyway..
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May 12, 2020, 01:34:55 AM
Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/

This is understandable so it shouldn't be an issue for every team.

And besides, I think there will be few audiences that will watch live once NBA will resume since even with the vaccine available and given the numbers of confirmed cases in the US, the fear of the people will not just fade easily so the usual average revenues might not meet in the next 1-2 years.

And as noted, it's now a good advantage for those lower teams to market a good role player to build their future core with the young players.
This pandemic virus affects the economy and with this decision from the organization it's understandable and like with what you have said
teams that preparing for a much better core can afford and offer stars to build the franchise. Though chances still possible that there might
be some underground offers between the player and management to close the deals.

That's the result of the crisis we are at now, with this times no NBA, they are losing a lot of money already, so they will have to earn that once the season will start again. NBA players are already making a lot of money, the cap may reduce but it's for sure what they earn is still enough for them to survive, they should bear with the NBA now.
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May 12, 2020, 01:18:16 AM
Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/

This is understandable so it shouldn't be an issue for every team.

And besides, I think there will be few audiences that will watch live once NBA will resume since even with the vaccine available and given the numbers of confirmed cases in the US, the fear of the people will not just fade easily so the usual average revenues might not meet in the next 1-2 years.

And as noted, it's now a good advantage for those lower teams to market a good role player to build their future core with the young players.
This pandemic virus affects the economy and with this decision from the organization it's understandable and like with what you have said
teams that preparing for a much better core can afford and offer stars to build the franchise. Though chances still possible that there might
be some underground offers between the player and management to close the deals.
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May 12, 2020, 12:00:30 AM

Episodes 7 and 8 of the Last Dance are out, and I must say that I am a bit disappointed with Pippen, as he said that he would probably do the same thing again, if he can go back to that 3rd game of Eastern Conference semifinal game against NY Knicks, when he refused to go in and finish the game because Phil decided that Kukoc should take last shot for win (that he made). Sure, he was the best player on the team, and played far better than Kukoc that game, but team should be above everything. That screwed team chemistry, and they lost against Knicks in 7 games. Imho, they could have played in finals again, if he reacted differently. For those that don't remember, here that last shot for win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU


Rika. Next time put this. (spoiler alert)  Grin
Just kidding.
I will watch this later on.

Pippen said that? Being a star went to his head.
Now he is working as an analyst because of his poor decisions in life.
Broken jet, bad investment, etc. He needs a little advise from someone else. He can't manage his money and how he talks in the media.  Grin
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May 11, 2020, 06:04:22 PM
Episodes 7 and 8 of the Last Dance are out, and I must say that I am a bit disappointed with Pippen, as he said that he would probably do the same thing again, if he can go back to that 3rd game of Eastern Conference semifinal game against NY Knicks, when he refused to go in and finish the game because Phil decided that Kukoc should take last shot for win (that he made). Sure, he was the best player on the team, and played far better than Kukoc that game, but team should be above everything. That screwed team chemistry, and they lost against Knicks in 7 games. Imho, they could have played in finals again, if he reacted differently. For those that don't remember, here that last shot for win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU

I stopped watching NBA back then when Michael Jordan decided to retire in the 1993 season, was a very young kid back then and have a feeling of to be like Mike lol. Thanks to The Last Dance documentary, i did know that Pippen quit on that game. IMO, that's not a characteristic of a good leader in the basketball court and seems he is not repentant lol, guy was so proud. Yeah, that maybe the turning point of his career. If he have not done that, maybe  they are the champion that season and Michael never return to the Bulls as they have the new leader in Pips.



All the controversies/conspiracy theory behind MJ's first retirement was answered in episode 7, thanks to them again. Damn media, they were the ones behind those controversies to knock off MJ on the top.
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May 11, 2020, 04:13:40 PM
Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/

This is understandable so it shouldn't be an issue for every team.

And besides, I think there will be few audiences that will watch live once NBA will resume since even with the vaccine available and given the numbers of confirmed cases in the US, the fear of the people will not just fade easily so the usual average revenues might not meet in the next 1-2 years.

And as noted, it's now a good advantage for those lower teams to market a good role player to build their future core with the young players.
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May 11, 2020, 02:03:48 PM
We all know that there was some fight between Magic Johnson and I.Thomas , they even had a one on one thing together and it ended up with them resolving their issues and they both cried and so forth. Which means it can't be just Jordan, sure he was coming off victory over Thomas and so forth and they hated each other and those were understandable stuff, Jordan probably played a ROLE in that, however that doesn't change the fact that both Larry Bird and Magic Johnson hated Thomas as well.

I am not entirely sure who played a bigger role, but honestly as a coaching decision, you want your team to like each other and play well together, even Magic and MJ had a rivalry but they still respected each other, being rivals and being in enemy level is totally different thing.
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May 11, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.
It is a fact that Isiah Thomas was definitely good enough to be invited to Dream Team, as he was one of the best PG of that time (with Stockton and Magic Johnson) but I don't think it was Jordan's fault that he wasn't part of the team in the end, as several other players had feud with Isiah, like Larry Bird for example. He was a bad boy of NBA, that's the rep he got due his style, so it is possible that decision was made purely due team chemistry issues. Those were different times, players had real rivalries back then, as they didn't just move to different teams in order to get titles, like they are doing now. I guess we will never know for sure..



Episodes 7 and 8 of the Last Dance are out, and I must say that I am a bit disappointed with Pippen, as he said that he would probably do the same thing again, if he can go back to that 3rd game of Eastern Conference semifinal game against NY Knicks, when he refused to go in and finish the game because Phil decided that Kukoc should take last shot for win (that he made). Sure, he was the best player on the team, and played far better than Kukoc that game, but team should be above everything. That screwed team chemistry, and they lost against Knicks in 7 games. Imho, they could have played in finals again, if he reacted differently. For those that don't remember, here that last shot for win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU

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May 11, 2020, 09:52:26 AM
The king comesback!
Lakers will probably return in this season. The underdog team before became resilient becaus of LeBron james.
In addition, Horward, Mcgee and Davis are really helpful players in defensive and blocks. If without them, I think Lakers will not take the spot.

We have the number 1 fan here.  Wink

Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/
Thank you mich for the link.

Shit do happen.
I do think they will all understand this.
An economic breakdown happened because of the pandemic.
In fact, we should still not be going to work afterwards to avoid the 2nd wave.

But they are still offering a salary cap that will just be reduced. It will work, but they will be taking it back from pay per view.
The government will not let too many people in just one place.
So the money will come from streaming and commercials.

The downside, the owners of the arena. Than means lesser sale of tickets, hotdogs and beer.
How will the business run?
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May 11, 2020, 08:48:55 AM
Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.
Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.
Lebron controlling the pace of each plays with the help of his teammates creating spaces and good rotations it will be much easier for him to convert.
In terms of defense, having McGee, Howard and Davis who protects the inner side it's already threatening the opposing team to try driving as for sure the presence of this inner core are their to prevent them to score the basket.
Lakers already have good players if not the best but enough to win the title, the key is a good chemistry and supporting mindset to work with the king.
The king comesback!
Lakers will probably return in this season. The underdog team before became resilient becaus of LeBron james.
In addition, Horward, Mcgee and Davis are really helpful players in defensive and blocks. If without them, I think Lakers will not take the spot.

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The fans and supporters make every game alive.
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May 11, 2020, 08:15:55 AM
Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/

They will be losing more money if they won't do this.
There will be a new normal in society and that is 6 feet away from every person.

We cannot just go to concerts and of course our beloved NBA.
If ever they will open again, they will be accommodating just half of what they had before the corona virus came.
That just means it may become half the salary cap too.
Tickets and advertisements is where they get their money.
Perhaps they will also sell the live game for an expensive price to be watched on local channels.
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May 11, 2020, 07:40:33 AM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.

Maybe we will never know the truth on why Isiah Thomas was not selected. There were a lot of speculations that time that still haunts up to this day that Jordan has something to do with it. But it was squash my many NBA insider. Maybe there are also a lot of superstars that time that really don't like Isiah, for instance Magic Johnson or even Larry Bird. Also, it is interesting to note that they have Magic and Stockton as PG so there's no room for Isiah that time.
It just so happen that I landed on that article when I'm looking for some updates regarding sports events like NBA. That's why I also ask what others can say regarding this found issue of mine.

It's nice to hear that info from you.
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May 11, 2020, 07:31:15 AM
This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

Those who were able to witness their glory days, I was still young during that time.

Maybe we will never know the truth on why Isiah Thomas was not selected. There were a lot of speculations that time that still haunts up to this day that Jordan has something to do with it. But it was squash my many NBA insider. Maybe there are also a lot of superstars that time that really don't like Isiah, for instance Magic Johnson or even Larry Bird. Also, it is interesting to note that they have Magic and Stockton as PG so there's no room for Isiah that time.
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May 11, 2020, 07:17:53 AM
Malone and Payton for example were already on the last games of their colorful NBA careers.

I agree with that, they are not already in their prime.

Karl Malone was born on 24 July 1963, (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Malone), so 2004 less 1963, he is already 41 years old at that time.
Seems like that age is already a retirement age for NBA, they would be great if Malone is still at 30+ age.
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May 11, 2020, 07:17:30 AM
Report: NBA salary cap to be lowered for 2020-21 season due to coronavirus pandemic

"There is so much uncertainty with the coronavirus pandemic, but one thing is for sure: the salary cap will be lowered, according to league sources. On the surface, that makes it advantageous to build around younger players on cheaper contracts."

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-salary-cap-lowered-2020-21-season-due-coronavirus-pandemic/
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