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Quote from: ingiltere on October 26, 2015, 06:54:56 AM

An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

That's unfortunate, maybe we can call them super players in a team because in order for a team to win they need to have a good chemistry.
That was way back 2004, things have really change a lot today, the game is less physical and the team that wins now are those who are good in 3 point shooting.

The names tell you that they are super players, but during that time some of them are already fading, their skills were very much unlike when they were still in their prime. Malone and Payton for example were already on the last games of their colorful NBA careers.

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This is a kind of old issue yet this is a new published article but what do you think about this?

--> https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/david-robinson-says-no-one-should-be-surprised-that-isiah-thomas-was-left-off-dream-team-chemistry-matters/

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Let's talk about 2019/2020 NBA regular season here.

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2019 NBA CHAMPION Toronto Raptors
Finals MVP: Kawhi Leonard

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2018 NBA CHAMPION Golden State Warriors
Finals MVP: Kevin Durant

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2017 NBA CHAMPION Golden State Warriors
Finals MVP: Kevin Durant

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2016 NBA CHAMPION CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Finals MVP: LeBron James

Golden States are having a big trouble being a champion again because there are some rumors that Kawhi Leonard ,the recent MVP for 2019, are going to be draft for Los Angeles Lakers where Lebron James, the MVP for 2016, is playing but we cannot say a thing because Anthony Davis is also a big loss for Los Angeles Lakers. Los Angeles Clippers is also having their improvement because of their new draft and this draft is the former player on Lakers Anthony Davis that is really going to have a big team up with Paul George.

Source: https://www.lineups.com/betting/odds/2020-nba-championship-title-winner/

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 11, 2020, 02:18:47 AM

Quote from: Natalim on May 11, 2020, 02:04:47 AM

An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

That's unfortunate, maybe we can call them super players in a team because in order for a team to win they need to have a good chemistry.
That was way back 2004, things have really change a lot today, the game is less physical and the team that wins now are those who are good in 3 point shooting.

Yeah, but would you believe that GSW is composed of super players back then?
Draymond for example. He is freaking bad in free throw and his shooting style is whack. Grin

Iggy is aged and cannot do super dunks like he was at Philly.
Livingston just retired, which says it all.
McGee was a toy of Shaq in his show.
Curry was in a worse team who almost lose by default because of injuries in the sidelines and absentees.

I don't know what's your basis, but the way I see it, it seems like Danny green is a better defender, and this guy has a lot of championship experience and has become a champion many times. He came from the Spurs, and I just like how the spurs trained their players in terms of defense.

I watch games. Yeah, Green won championships and where is he when all of that happened?
Spurs with Kawhi, Ginobli, Belinelli, Duncan and Parker.
Toronto with Kawhi again, Ibaka, Gasol, Siakam and Lowry.

Actually, when it comes to stats they are almost the same. It's the hustle when it comes to defense which makes the difference.
But, because of the championships which Green had, his reputation is far better which clouds our mind.
I bet they will still pick Green over KCP (experience reasons) if someone needs to be released for a new player.
But it's okay, KCP already made a good reputation so offers will come.

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An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

That's unfortunate, maybe we can call them super players in a team because in order for a team to win they need to have a good chemistry.
That was way back 2004, things have really change a lot today, the game is less physical and the team that wins now are those who are good in 3 point shooting.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 01:12:49 AM

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

I'd still pick KCP rather than Danny Green. As said, their offense is already good with AD and LBJ, but they will need stops to gain the momentum.

I don't know what's your basis, but the way I see it, it seems like Danny green is a better defender, and this guy has a lot of championship experience and has become a champion many times. He came from the Spurs, and I just like how the spurs trained their players in terms of defense.

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Quote from: Reid on May 10, 2020, 11:03:01 PM

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Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

Lebron controlling the pace of each plays with the help of his teammates creating spaces and good rotations it will be much easier for him to convert.
In terms of defense, having McGee, Howard and Davis who protects the inner side it's already threatening the opposing team to try driving as for sure the presence of this inner core are their to prevent them to score the basket.
Lakers already have good players if not the best but enough to win the title, the key is a good chemistry and supporting mindset to work with the king.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 01:12:49 AM

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

I'd still pick KCP rather than Danny Green. As said, their offense is already good with AD and LBJ, but they will need stops to gain the momentum.

Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 01:12:49 AM

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with that they will be unbeatable just like the super team warriors before.

I will have to disagree with this.
GSW is not a super team. That is hard work and the perfect implementation of every play.
If ever Lakers win this 2020 championship, will we also call them as a super team?
It ain't fair right?
I don't even recognize the names of Draymond, Thompson and Curry before.
I just did when suddenly they became champions. Grin

It ain't a super team but a team with the same goal. To be champions.

An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 11, 2020, 01:40:11 AM

Yeah, they're not a hall of famer yet since most of them were still young. Look at how the Raptors are doing this season. They're still a championship caliber team even without their best player.
I ain't arguing about Leonard as a best player here, I know he is, I'm just giving out some points as to why he's underrated.

Well, TBH, I was surprise that the Raptors are doing well this season, all I can say that it's not the players, it's the coach because they have a good coach that help the their young players to show their full potential, but honestly, I don't think they will advance in the Finals this season.

Quote from: Oasisman on May 11, 2020, 01:40:11 AM

Definitely not an excuse, but it's part of the game.
You have to understand how Durant and Thompson is a very important piece of the organization.
And lastly, this isn't about Leonard's injury and the possibility to defeat the warriors when he was still with Spurs.

I just don't want to talk about that my team loss because they some of the players are injured because if I think like that, I would not give the respect to the winning team that they deserve.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 10, 2020, 02:20:05 AM

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His teammates with the Raptors are not hall of famer, so he prove that he can win a championship without a superstar teammates.
Well, during his time with the Spurs, Manu, Duncan and parker are hall of famers but he lead the team because he won the Finals MVP that time, and he was still very young at that time, don't know if he is the youngest NBA player who won an NBA finals award.

Yeah, they're not a hall of famer yet since most of them were still young. Look at how the Raptors are doing this season. They're still a championship caliber team even without their best player.
I ain't arguing about Leonard as a best player here, I know he is, I'm just giving out some points as to why he's underrated.

Quote from: Reid on May 10, 2020, 11:03:01 PM

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It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse, but it's part of the game.
You have to understand how Durant and Thompson is a very important piece of the organization.
And lastly, this isn't about Leonard's injury and the possibility to defeat the warriors when he was still with Spurs.

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KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

Quote from: Reid on May 10, 2020, 11:03:01 PM

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

They are the favorites to win the Championship this season, so people really seeing them already complete, but if they can improve, then why not get someone who can help for them to become a better team, with that they will be unbeatable just like the super team warriors before.

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Quote from: Finestream on May 10, 2020, 06:00:05 PM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 10, 2020, 02:54:00 PM

Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 10, 2020, 02:54:00 PM

Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

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Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

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I don't understand how you could say a player who was FMVP on two different teams on two different conferences could be not important part of the team. Definitely Toronto is still good after he left but they were a young team mostly that still had the talent, Cavs basically only have K.Love right now who is quite old, Lebron was taking them to finals but even Lebron can't do that if he goes back right now, which he kinda failed on his first Lakers season as well.

Kawhi beat the heatles to win championship, thats Lebron and Wade and Bosh on their best years, and then dude beat the Warriors who was seen as one of the best teams ever and has the bestest record on league history. So, Kawhi is quite great, top 3 without a doubt in my book with Lebron/Durant/Kawhi (would put curry right there with them as well).

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 10, 2020, 03:48:43 AM

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Quote from: Reid on May 09, 2020, 11:32:06 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on May 09, 2020, 07:15:08 PM

That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

Yes, Clarkson's contract will end this year, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/Jordan-Clarkson-15398/

And I agree that he is really a perfect fit for the Jazz. Initially though, there were a lot of questions whether he can blend well for the Utah team. But we already see that he adjusted very well and the coach has given him time to play. So I think the Jazz will offer him a good deal after his contract expires.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 10, 2020, 08:13:34 AM

Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

He leaved because it is what he wants, there is a rumors before that one of his major fans offer him a free penthouse just to stay with the Toronto but he did not accept the offer and he chose to play in another team and that is why he is now in Clippers. Yes he is good that is why the Lakers are having a hard time to beat the Clippers because of what Leonard can do but the only problem is the not good relationship between Leonard and Paul George because it affects the overall strength,plays and power of the team.

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Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 10, 2020, 02:20:05 AM

Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

What makes him underrated is the fact that when he won championship with the Spurs he had Duncan, Parker, and Manu. All of them were a hall of famer. Then, when he got in Toronto he won a championship again, not only because of him, It's because his teammates stepped up. Vanvleet, Siakam, and most of their teammates contributed to their success.

His teammates with the Raptors are not hall of famer, so he prove that he can win a championship without a superstar teammates.
Well, during his time with the Spurs, Manu, Duncan and parker are hall of famers but he lead the team because he won the Finals MVP that time, and he was still very young at that time, don't know if he is the youngest NBA player who won an NBA finals award.