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April 07, 2019, 08:51:04 AM
It is not just about the stats, we know Harden has good stats and he has been playing amazingly for sure but that is just one aspect of the MVP voting, most valuable player has 2 important parts that will make sure harden is not elected (I mean he can but if he doesn't).

One is most "valuable" player, so all in all we need to remove the players from the teams and see how they are, if you remove harden from Houston they are not a good team, they can't probably make the playoffs, they have tucker and Capela and of course Chris Paul but its still a 9th or even 10th team on western conference, doubtful if they are ever a tanking team looking for a high pick but that is possible.
Still, take Giannis out of bucks and that team is g-league, like phoenix suns type of bad, that team without Giannis couldn't win the euroleague let alone do anything on NBA, that team has a chance to break Sixers worst record record.

Hence, most "valuable" is basically Giannis. Plus, harden is hated by media for his horrible fake moves that is basically trying to get fouls all game and looking to travel on his shots and all that, people want to see a semi-god like Giannis bullying people into a dunk not harden fake fouling himself for a call to get an and-one.

Now that the Bucks has this phenomenal player, they deserves to be on top. Anyways, any team that has no superstar is just like a food for the wolves in the jungle. Giannis is a superstar which can carry his team to the top but I guess he will fluke during the playoffs due to his lack on experience about how tough it is during that phase of the tournament.
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April 07, 2019, 05:45:08 AM
It is not just about the stats, we know Harden has good stats and he has been playing amazingly for sure but that is just one aspect of the MVP voting, most valuable player has 2 important parts that will make sure harden is not elected (I mean he can but if he doesn't).

One is most "valuable" player, so all in all we need to remove the players from the teams and see how they are, if you remove harden from Houston they are not a good team, they can't probably make the playoffs, they have tucker and Capela and of course Chris Paul but its still a 9th or even 10th team on western conference, doubtful if they are ever a tanking team looking for a high pick but that is possible.
Still, take Giannis out of bucks and that team is g-league, like phoenix suns type of bad, that team without Giannis couldn't win the euroleague let alone do anything on NBA, that team has a chance to break Sixers worst record record.

Hence, most "valuable" is basically Giannis. Plus, harden is hated by media for his horrible fake moves that is basically trying to get fouls all game and looking to travel on his shots and all that, people want to see a semi-god like Giannis bullying people into a dunk not harden fake fouling himself for a call to get an and-one.
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April 07, 2019, 03:26:56 AM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

It takes a few years to build the fan base. Giannis Antetokounmpo   started representing Milwaukee Bucks only a few years ago...and during the initial years he was not a regular in the team.
I believe, Harden was the first to build his fan based and now it's increasing.
His spectacular moves make him gain a lot of fans but he needs to be a champion to be of the greatest in NBA.

While browsing youtube videos, I found this video ( How The Bucks Shut Down James Harden With A Unique Strategy  ) which is very interesting on how to stop Harden, so I was thinking if he can stop in playoffs, it will be hard for him to have that championship dream.
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April 07, 2019, 01:48:12 AM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

It takes a few years to build the fan base. Giannis Antetokounmpo   started representing Milwaukee Bucks only a few years ago...and during the initial years he was not a regular in the team.
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April 07, 2019, 01:30:04 AM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

Of course we have our own favorite players lol.
Giannis is on his way to make a big name in the NBA. Soon he will be recognize as much as Kobe, Lebron, Jordan and other hall famers. He will become a popular social media personality.
Let's see, let's just hope for the best and may he continue to improve and stay healthy throughout is career.
For now, we cannot compare Giannis to Kobe as they are already great and we call them GOAT.
IMO, Harden is closer to Kobe's talent.

Harden hasn't seen that Mamba mentality. He does choke from time to time while Kobe loves pressure game and elevate his intensity. So I don't think that Harden is closer to Kobe's talent.

He needs to prove that by leading his team and winning rings. If he is just after for the stat or individual awards then we can't really compare them, in my opinion.

What I noticed about Harden is he improved every season but in tough times it's hard for him to carry the team.
This season if he will win the MVP, he needs to prove if he is a real MVP by not choking again.
He has his buddy, Paul will help him in the playoffs, and that's for sure.


Paul be like, Hey James! you take care of the regular season and I'll be take charge on the playoffs.  Grin Grin Grin
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April 07, 2019, 01:17:58 AM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

Of course we have our own favorite players lol.
Giannis is on his way to make a big name in the NBA. Soon he will be recognize as much as Kobe, Lebron, Jordan and other hall famers. He will become a popular social media personality.
Let's see, let's just hope for the best and may he continue to improve and stay healthy throughout is career.
For now, we cannot compare Giannis to Kobe as they are already great and we call them GOAT.
IMO, Harden is closer to Kobe's talent.

Harden hasn't seen that Mamba mentality. He does choke from time to time while Kobe loves pressure game and elevate his intensity. So I don't think that Harden is closer to Kobe's talent.

He needs to prove that by leading his team and winning rings. If he is just after for the stat or individual awards then we can't really compare them, in my opinion.
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April 06, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

Yes, Giannis is really amazing and imagine without any turnovers? They are the two players that will likely win this year awards and I think people will simply vote for Harden, because they are also biased.  Grin
I don't know who got the best record in terms of stats between the two, if anyone knows, I would appreciate if they will share here
and also the criteria in choosing the MVP for this season. Let's compute then to determine who will win between this two stars in the NBA.

Stat wise, Harden has an edge against Giannis. But there are voters who look for intangibles in the games. Again, this will be one of the closest, it's a tight race. So it's up to the voters, do they want stat wise hungry MVP that is too soft and choke, or someone young and fresh and bring his team to the number one spot?
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April 06, 2019, 09:02:24 PM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

Of course we have our own favorite players lol.
Giannis is on his way to make a big name in the NBA. Soon he will be recognize as much as Kobe, Lebron, Jordan and other hall famers. He will become a popular social media personality.
Let's see, let's just hope for the best and may he continue to improve and stay healthy throughout is career.
For now, we cannot compare Giannis to Kobe as they are already great and we call them GOAT.
IMO, Harden is closer to Kobe's talent.
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April 06, 2019, 06:58:41 PM
I didn't see any comment about Giannis and his incredible performance.
He managed to make 0 turnovers during the match and he is now the second player in the NBA history that he did that after Michael Jordan.

He seems to be on fire and ready for the play offs that they are coming.
Maybe because he does not have a lot of fans here yet.
This guy is amazing but the crowd favorite was James Harden, LOL. ... Honestly, I like Harden that Giannis, maybe because I am bias too.

Of course we have our own favorite players lol.
Giannis is on his way to make a big name in the NBA. Soon he will be recognize as much as Kobe, Lebron, Jordan and other hall famers. He will become a popular social media personality.
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April 06, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
Want to put something on MIL -6 even with their injured star and MVP Giannis.
He dominated 2 days ago with 45 points, 13 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 blocks and three 3-pointers in 35 minutes.
https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/29932/giannis-antetokounmpo
Is this a trick line or maybe coach plans to sit him.
Looks like they shut him down for this match and that was expected since number 1 spot is already secured for Milwaukee so they will likely rest him until the playoffs. It's also a revenge game for Brooklyn while Milwaukee doesn't play for nothing since as I said earlier the number one spot is already locked for them
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April 06, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
If I'm not mistaken the MVP is being voted by NBA media, so it's varies what criteria they are looking for. (Kindly correct me If I'm wrong).
You're not wrong actually. NBA media are the voters for the MVP. This is a good read for all of us. It was stated on that site that MVP voting depends on the NBA media. But since there were a lot of bias votes last years they decided to exclude NBA media that are connected to the team.

Quote from: Mark Joseph Boyle link=https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Boyle/status/849012267568046080
@NBA tells team broadcasters they will no longer vote for league awards. Conflict of interest now greater than ever. It's the right call.
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April 06, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.

I really want another fight for that Houston and Bucks. I want to see Harden next time going below 20 when it is Hill defending him. Will the same defense will work?
I'm with you mate. Harden always gets the benefit of the call. I don't know if referee is doing it intentionally or what but I totally agree with your observations here. Giannis is always attacking the rim and most of them ended in a dunk but seldom will the referee make a call. Hill? Maybe this rookie,  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRH6uZFWbc
The refs already got used to it, each games Harden plays there's always a soft calls that we will see, He really good in doing  such act and refs will buy it and make a calls, I used to remember Paul Pierce way back when he's still on it's prime playing for Boston, he also manage to be like this gaining refs calls and always take the advantage.

There's players who knows how to act and deliver it perfectly in the eyes of the referees.
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April 06, 2019, 02:13:11 PM
It is not just about the stats, we know Harden has good stats and he has been playing amazingly for sure but that is just one aspect of the MVP voting, most valuable player has 2 important parts that will make sure harden is not elected (I mean he can but if he doesn't).

One is most "valuable" player, so all in all we need to remove the players from the teams and see how they are, if you remove harden from Houston they are not a good team, they can't probably make the playoffs, they have tucker and Capela and of course Chris Paul but its still a 9th or even 10th team on western conference, doubtful if they are ever a tanking team looking for a high pick but that is possible.
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April 06, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.

I really want another fight for that Houston and Bucks. I want to see Harden next time going below 20 when it is Hill defending him. Will the same defense will work?
I'm with you mate. Harden always gets the benefit of the call. I don't know if referee is doing it intentionally or what but I totally agree with your observations here. Giannis is always attacking the rim and most of them ended in a dunk but seldom will the referee make a call. Hill? Maybe this rookie,  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRH6uZFWbc
Watching out that video. Harden's stepped back shot been blocked once but not totally humilated but i can say that Rookies defense and performance is recognizable.
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April 06, 2019, 12:40:58 PM
Want to put something on MIL -6 even with their injured star and MVP Giannis.
He dominated 2 days ago with 45 points, 13 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 blocks and three 3-pointers in 35 minutes.
https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/29932/giannis-antetokounmpo
Is this a trick line or maybe coach plans to sit him.
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April 06, 2019, 12:24:20 PM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.
I think you can relate to it with Harden being an agile player, if you haven't notice it players who are quick tends to get many calls as referees always pay attention to what they are doing (or not doing) as they couldn't catch up on what is really happening. Seen a lot of examples where Harden got fouled just by someone hitting his beard or him just looking funny just by someone touching him all of them are bad calls and he is getting away with it for doing his part. For big men you don't get the same situation the most often time they get foul calls are when they are in the low post area and they'll only get called when they actually see a physical contact between the players while shooting.
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April 06, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.

I really want another fight for that Houston and Bucks. I want to see Harden next time going below 20 when it is Hill defending him. Will the same defense will work?
I'm with you mate. Harden always gets the benefit of the call. I don't know if referee is doing it intentionally or what but I totally agree with your observations here. Giannis is always attacking the rim and most of them ended in a dunk but seldom will the referee make a call. Hill? Maybe this rookie,  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRH6uZFWbc
Harden will always get his points. Take away his free throws and the guy would probably still be in the top 3 scorers. He's just that good of a scorer to put it plainly but i think it's not going to be lopsided on who'll win mvp. Stats aside though, i think giannis is playing well above everyone else right now.
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April 06, 2019, 09:16:43 AM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.

I really want another fight for that Houston and Bucks. I want to see Harden next time going below 20 when it is Hill defending him. Will the same defense will work?
I'm with you mate. Harden always gets the benefit of the call. I don't know if referee is doing it intentionally or what but I totally agree with your observations here. Giannis is always attacking the rim and most of them ended in a dunk but seldom will the referee make a call. Hill? Maybe this rookie,  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRH6uZFWbc
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April 06, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Thank you for that comparative statistics Baofeng.

Still I do not like how Harden gets his points. The referees are getting softer when it is a Houston game and specially when Harden is playing.
Why is it that when it is Gianis that is playing they dont call that much even if he always going for a dunk. It is like 3 defenders going after him.
On the other side there is only one defender for Harden and he is the one moving forward just so to get a foul.

I really want another fight for that Houston and Bucks. I want to see Harden next time going below 20 when it is Hill defending him. Will the same defense will work?
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