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I would say Chet "could" be the rookie of the year, but I never liked giving the rookie of the year award to non-rookie players just because they were missing games. I think it was Ben Simmons who got it like on year three, that was really not good, maybe it was Embiid, not sure. All in all, Chet had more time with an NBA team, even when injured he was taken care of by an NBA team doctors, and trainers, and that is much better than some kid from France could ever get, dude was getting basically just "the best we got" situation there and he was still lacking.

All in all, Wemby still has time to turn this around, he is doing fine, he is not too far away, and if he could go on a rampage for a few games, he could do great. We have already seen him get close to 40 points before, so it is not really impossible for him to do that. Plus, getting rookie of the year has great benefits for your next contract, and that could be very profitable for him, so he would be more inclined to get it.

Yeah I think it was Simmons that won over Donovan Mitchell when he was in his 2nd season after being hurt in the first.
Chet didn't play 1 game last year so he is still elidigble.

You could say it's kind of unfair since he was able to train under NBA conditions but he was also in physical rehab for quite a while.
Wemby had the superstar treatment and good training conditions + professional games for a while now, so I think there are quite even in that regard.
For the moment Chet is definitely in front, they have simliar numbers in production but Chet has the much better shooting % as of now.

It's undeniable that Chet's stats are getting better than Wemby's, but he also has to earn the trust of the fans, and the media needs to hype his name so he'll beat Wemby in the popularity contest.

I like that this season we don't have a unanimous winner for the ROY. I mean, Wemby started strong, but Chet came along with stable and consistent performance to finally get the attention of the fans. If Wemby didn't struggle, like his team did, I guess Chet wouldn't be in the conversation now.

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Quote from: FanEagle on November 27, 2023, 01:51:20 PM

I would say Chet "could" be the rookie of the year, but I never liked giving the rookie of the year award to non-rookie players just because they were missing games. I think it was Ben Simmons who got it like on year three, that was really not good, maybe it was Embiid, not sure. All in all, Chet had more time with an NBA team, even when injured he was taken care of by an NBA team doctors, and trainers, and that is much better than some kid from France could ever get, dude was getting basically just "the best we got" situation there and he was still lacking.

All in all, Wemby still has time to turn this around, he is doing fine, he is not too far away, and if he could go on a rampage for a few games, he could do great. We have already seen him get close to 40 points before, so it is not really impossible for him to do that. Plus, getting rookie of the year has great benefits for your next contract, and that could be very profitable for him, so he would be more inclined to get it.

Yeah I think it was Simmons that won over Donovan Mitchell when he was in his 2nd season after being hurt in the first.
Chet didn't play 1 game last year so he is still elidigble.

You could say it's kind of unfair since he was able to train under NBA conditions but he was also in physical rehab for quite a while.
Wemby had the superstar treatment and good training conditions + professional games for a while now, so I think there are quite even in that regard.
For the moment Chet is definitely in front, they have simliar numbers in production but Chet has the much better shooting % as of now.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 27, 2023, 07:12:03 PM

I just saw an interesting fact. Tonight LeBron James is going to pass Kareem for the most career minutes played in NBA history. A pretty huge accomplishment.

LeBron continues to break records; that's him, and he is truly deserving to be called the king, although not yet the GOAT, and may never replace MJ as the greatest of all time. I know LeBron will have more seasons in the NBA, and whatever he achieves, I think it might take centuries before it is surpassed.

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I just saw an interesting fact. Tonight LeBron James is going to pass Kareem for the most career minutes played in NBA history. A pretty huge accomplishment.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 AM

The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

Spurs is still a very young and raw team for me. Yes, they have the number 1 draft pick in Wemby, but he still not enough for the Spurs because they keep on losing and struggling in every game. I think the problem is that many wanted to be the guy in this team, the alpha and the leader. So there could be power struggle inside, you don't know who will be the go to guy.

Sometimes it will be Wemby, and there are games that Johnson is playing good and doing the damage for the team but there were no support. Or it could be Branham or Hasell. They are still trying to figure out everything at this point.

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Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

So, there's been a slight movement of action on Wemby's odds. If we flip -190 to decimals, it's like 1.53, which means the odds bumped up a bit, hinting at a lower chance of winning. Seems folks still believe in Wemby winning that ROY title, even if he screw up in recent games. I guess for the bettors putting their money on Chet at 2.02, that's a pretty sweet steal, huh?

Why not? I mean as we have been discussing, Chet is performance without any pressure in his shoulder. On the other hand, maybe Wemby being a rookie and hype around his hype is forcing himself to be that good and couple with the teams in a losing streak, the odds suddenly swing on Chet and make it closer as the initial outright listing.

So might be good to bet on Chet with that good odds, otherwise it might be late for us if he suddenly becomes the favorite now and Wemby sliding to second place. Not sure though if there is someone who bet that early on Chet or to Wemby. Obviously the Chet supporter will be very happy that they bet a put early when the odds is still very much attractive.

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No televised games today but we do have a couple interesting ones. The two worst teams in the league are facing off to see who the absolute worst team in the league is. The Detroit Pistons and the Washington Wizards are both 2-14… I think Detroit likely has an edge with this matchup though because Jordan Poole has been playing so streaky…

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I would say Chet "could" be the rookie of the year, but I never liked giving the rookie of the year award to non-rookie players just because they were missing games. I think it was Ben Simmons who got it like on year three, that was really not good, maybe it was Embiid, not sure. All in all, Chet had more time with an NBA team, even when injured he was taken care of by an NBA team doctors, and trainers, and that is much better than some kid from France could ever get, dude was getting basically just "the best we got" situation there and he was still lacking.

All in all, Wemby still has time to turn this around, he is doing fine, he is not too far away, and if he could go on a rampage for a few games, he could do great. We have already seen him get close to 40 points before, so it is not really impossible for him to do that. Plus, getting rookie of the year has great benefits for your next contract, and that could be very profitable for him, so he would be more inclined to get it.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 AM

The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

The Denver Nuggets are the hardest opponent they need to beat in the west at home and every game against them should be well-calculated and observed because it will be useful when they meet in the NBA playoffs this season. Looks like it will gonna be an easy back-to-back championship for the Nuggets this season if they keep winning easily at home without some hard challenges from their opponents. I don't have expectations from Spurs anymore maybe we should just stop joining the hype and focus more on the improved players this season.

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Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

So, there's been a slight movement of action on Wemby's odds. If we flip -190 to decimals, it's like 1.53, which means the odds bumped up a bit, hinting at a lower chance of winning. Seems folks still believe in Wemby winning that ROY title, even if he screw up in recent games. I guess for the bettors putting their money on Chet at 2.02, that's a pretty sweet steal, huh?

Taking a risk might be good for such an amount, the chance of winning is not by far if we analyze both performances, as Chet continues to showcase
his talents and making his way to gain the interest of national media.

With that good number of minutes playing and being also an important part of the team, I also agree that it can be used as an argument for voting.

Winning the ROY will surely be close between him and Wemby unless Spurs make a good comeback and start winning games.

Chet and OKC is really doing fine this season that's why he take all the advantage regarding on the ROTY race that's why I'm convince that he have more bigger advantage to win that compare to Wemby. Spurs struggling so much this season and its like they can't get a perfect fit that can help Wemby to dominate in the floor as well their other players to step up. If they struggle more and will not get more wins for a possible came back then a chance for Wemby to win this trophy maybe impossible to happen.

Chet easily adopt to his teammates that's why we see some good performance each game coming with him.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 AM

The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

The Denver Nuggets are just too much for them. Wemby is there and Jokic still managed to get 39 points which is not the normal number of Jokic offensively. Wemby can play better than that, especially on the defensive end but I guess being young is like this. He needs a lot of experience first unlike Jokic who had been playing the middle for a long time.

Spurs is filled with young players, I am not really expecting too much from them this season and I think Coach Pop feels the same. He just wants them to play as hard as they can and learn more and then maybe next year it will be a different Spurs while they are growing this season.
Keep them healthy and try to avoid injuries as much as possible, play hard but not overdoing it. As I watch Wemby every game I can see there are so many things that should be upgraded and I bet he knows that too. Shooting, boxing out, his blocking skills are great though, he keeps on swatting the ball from every opponent going to the paint but he should learn how to make it a stop instead of out of bounds.

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Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

So, there's been a slight movement of action on Wemby's odds. If we flip -190 to decimals, it's like 1.53, which means the odds bumped up a bit, hinting at a lower chance of winning. Seems folks still believe in Wemby winning that ROY title, even if he screw up in recent games. I guess for the bettors putting their money on Chet at 2.02, that's a pretty sweet steal, huh?

Taking a risk might be good for such an amount, the chance of winning is not by far if we analyze both performances, as Chet continues to showcase
his talents and making his way to gain the interest of national media.

With that good number of minutes playing and being also an important part of the team, I also agree that it can be used as an argument for voting.

Winning the ROY will surely be close between him and Wemby unless Spurs make a good comeback and start winning games.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 27, 2023, 07:47:42 AM

They didn't perform well because they didn't win; it was a high-scoring game, and that's what they like. However, if they face a team that is good defensively, like the Clippers, they really struggle and can't compete well. If I recall correctly, they are on a 12-game losing streak now. This is not the journey we'd like to witness for a hyped rookie player who is expected to win the Rookie of the Year this season. There were even discussions before that Wemby also has a chance to win the MVP at the same time, but with the looks of it now, it's far from happening.

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 AM

The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

Its unfortunate start of conference for Wemby to experience such heavy lose. But also it can make him stronger especially for experiencing those defeat since if he practice more and became more better player next year provably he can help out Spurs to get more wins next season. I know its early to tell about the future but it seems like they need a huge improvement for their roster so that they can help Wemby to maximize his potential. Although they perform so well on their match up with Nuggets and that is really fine to see. There's a huge lesson to be learn from Jokic on their match up so hopefully he get a lot from that and became more better on their next opponent.

To many fans got disappointed on Spurs this season due to their lost streaks. But let see if they can end that up and get their wins since they really need that.

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They didn't perform well because they didn't win; it was a high-scoring game, and that's what they like. However, if they face a team that is good defensively, like the Clippers, they really struggle and can't compete well. If I recall correctly, they are on a 12-game losing streak now. This is not the journey we'd like to witness for a hyped rookie player who is expected to win the Rookie of the Year this season. There were even discussions before that Wemby also has a chance to win the MVP at the same time, but with the looks of it now, it's far from happening.

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 07:26:41 AM

The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

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The Spurs experienced another defeat, previously they also lost to the Warriors but now to stronger team, namely the Nuggets with difference of 12 points.
But in today match against the Nuggets they performed quite well and indeed the Spurs are not balanced opponent when faced with the Nuggets.
Currently, Spurs are at the bottom of the western region and whether they will be better or not in the future is uncertain.

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Quote from: EFS on November 26, 2023, 06:20:25 PM

Milwaukee Bucks is unrecognizable now. On the other hand Portland is playing better than expected. The margin is over 20 points at the start of the second half. If the Bucks can come back from this, they'll have done a great job. It's interesting to watch Lillard play against Portland. Bucks need a good momentum before it's too late.

It was a quite great a comeback and it was unexpected. As you have pointed out, they were unrecognizable and they managed to have a great comeback. Bucks not only managed to comeback and equalize, but also had a very solid clutch performance. But, Giannis's touch and score saved them. If Portland were a little bit better at the clutch, they could also win. It was indeed interesting to watch Dame against his old team, and he played great. I like the concept of franchise players but his move to the Bucks maybe needed a lot by everyone, it was a right choice and we watched a good game with him on the other team against his old team. Expecting great things from them in the playoffs.

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Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

So, there's been a slight movement of action on Wemby's odds. If we flip -190 to decimals, it's like 1.53, which means the odds bumped up a bit, hinting at a lower chance of winning. Seems folks still believe in Wemby winning that ROY title, even if he screw up in recent games. I guess for the bettors putting their money on Chet at 2.02, that's a pretty sweet steal, huh?

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I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

I think there are no changes yet, Wemby still at the top, 2nd is Chet and a little far from these 2 is Ausar Thompson who's also playing great so far. It's still early this season so that might be the reason we have not seen changes like the odds are getting closer between Wemby and Chet. Wemby might still improve his numbers, but if Chet continues to play like what he have showed us from the last couple of games, undoubtedly he will overtake Wemby at the top spot in the middle of the season.
I'd rather look at their team contribution and impact when they're on the floor to help the team win, so right now I have Chet winning the ROTY. The Spurs are still tanking even after the Wemby acquisition.

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Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

I just check the outright odds on sportsbet.io and it seems that Wemby is still the favorite to win, the ROTY award,

Wembanyama, Victor - 1.60
Holmgren, Chet - 2.02

But I guess the odds is much closer now as we have seen the Chet have played very good basketball in the last couple of games for OKC, even had that 3 point shot against the Warriors to force the game into OT, and then won the game. So for sure this might fixated for some that will be going to vote for the ROTY for this season and uses that as an argument for Chet to become the winner.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 27, 2023, 03:46:54 AM

Yes, initially it was Wemby who is the huge favorite for the Rookie of the year award. However, his numbers is not to be expected from him, we wanted to see more and his teams is struggling. While Chet is relax this season, and playing really good. In the beginning, even OKC fans says that he is overrated. Now they see the true potential of Chet and he is embrace by the OKC fans. But we will have to see how Wemby is going to play the whole season, maybe he just needed good games to put himself in front again for the Rookie of the Year.

I'm not sure if the odds that were reported are still available, but I doubt we would get those odds considering how Wemby and Chet have played recently. It seems like the expectations have flipped because Chet has been doing well with his consistent contribution to the team. Everyone was probably thinking that Wemby would easily win the ROY, but his numbers don't align with our expectations. So, again, most bettors might lose their bets if they placed them before the season started.

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