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August 15, 2023, 09:48:31 PM

Have you forgotten about Paul George's injury? I think his injuries were far worse than Leonard's, but look where he is now. He is still playing like a true star.

Who could forget that? It's one of the worst injuries, and at one point, I thought PG wouldn't be able to come back anymore. But he did well; he was able to come back and perform like his usual self, which is in contrast to the case of Derrick Rose. However, I'm no expert. Although Leonard's injury doesn't look as severe, I still consider it very serious since it was an ankle injury, and that area is quite sensitive. Once a player has a history of injury, it becomes easier to reinjure again.
Me either. I thought that will be the end of his basketball career. But, he is actually stronger than players with minor injuries. His was broken and others have ligaments torn, if you compare it broken is worst, and yet last season he played again like a superstar.
About Leonard, I think his Uncle (his agent) is just protecting him too much. Sure his +/- when he is around or not is damn high or low but it's just too much that a team would really accept that kind of load management. These are players who have contracts to play for a season, I'd understand the resting time on the last 10 games but during back-to-back games is kind of unacceptable. Same issue with Kyrie.
Anyway, it looks like the Clippers don't mind about that.

About the In-Season Tournament that will happen. Let's read the FAQs to understand it more.
We got used to the traditional ways so it's best we learn what they are trying to achieve here.
https://www.nba.com/news/in-season-tournament-frequently-asked-questions
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> What is the NBA In-Season Tournament?
The NBA In-Season Tournament is a new annual competition for all 30 teams that will debut in the 2023-24 season.

> Why is the NBA adding the In-Season Tournament?
The In-Season Tournament will provide players and teams with another competition to win, engage fans in a new way and drive additional interest in the early portion of the regular-season schedule.

> When is the In-Season Tournament?
The inaugural In-Season Tournament will tip off on Friday, Nov. 3 and culminate with the Championship on Saturday, Dec. 9. The complete schedule is here.
It's somehow similar to FIBA.
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August 15, 2023, 08:07:08 PM
Those dirty moves against him did really a lot to his career and you're right that it could have been better without it.

Yet, he still got the titles and he's still doing good as of now, at least IMO.

I could think of Westbrook just as him, with the little contract that he had accepted. Yes, his plays won't change but the look and view on him by everyone will surely changed.

Well, we can't turn back time; let's just accept what happened to him in the past. What matters is he is still in the NBA and still playing. Personally, I don't think Leonard's career will end up like Westbrook's, because judging by his stats (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html), the consistency is still present. So even if he gets traded or his contract expires, I'm pretty sure there are still teams that would be willing to give him a good contract.
Yup, he's consistent and that's visible to everyone and that's why he still got a better contract.

Have you forgotten about Paul George's injury? I think his injuries were far worse than Leonard's, but look where he is now. He is still playing like a true star.
Definitely, there's always healing on these injuries as long as they'll be given enough time for recovery. But the most that have been injured badly, can't go back in shape.

And much worse that they got out of the league and lost their potential extended contracts.
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August 15, 2023, 07:24:08 PM
I’m not sure I understand the point of the in-season tournament but I did just see a suggestion that the winner of the tournament get an automatic playoff berth. That’s interesting…

I’m more 76ers updates from Philadelphia, James Harden is now saying he’s open to play for a different team than just the Clippers. He wants out…

It wouldn't make any sense to me.  Basketball is just set up / established in a different manner that soccer/football where I know they do things like this, but I don't see it making any sense here. 

Yeah I saw that James Harden drama.  That guy is always causing issues seemingly wherever he is.  He can't seem to ever get along w/people.
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August 15, 2023, 07:18:50 PM
I’m not sure I understand the point of the in-season tournament but I did just see a suggestion that the winner of the tournament get an automatic playoff berth. That’s interesting…

I’m more 76ers updates from Philadelphia, James Harden is now saying he’s open to play for a different team than just the Clippers. He wants out…
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August 15, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
By the way, guys, what do you think about this change in the upcoming season? Will the regular season be more interesting for players and fans because of this in-season tournament or not?

Since it will be the first time to see such a format in the NBA season, we don't know what to expect.

However, from my point of view, since the in-season tournament requires consistent winning, we should expect early season games where teams will be serious right away and not take the game lightly different from what we see in the usual games in the early season.

If it's interesting or not overall, can only find it out later on. For me though, should be entertaining as "it's NBA".
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August 15, 2023, 05:53:38 PM
The NBA schedule is being released today if anyone was dying to get their favorite games circled on the calendar. I know I’m personally looking forward to Phoenix’s home opener against the Los Angeles Lakers, as it will be the first time LeBron James and Kevin Durant have faced off in several years. Will surely be a great game to watch for fans.

I don't see the schedule on the official NBA site yet because it says "no data available." Anyway, if I understand correctly, the Lakers and Suns will meet in the in-season tournament. By the way, guys, what do you think about this change in the upcoming season? Will the regular season be more interesting for players and fans because of this in-season tournament or not?

I read that the Suns would be playing the Lakers in the Phoenix home opener. The schedule should also have been published 2 hours ago, but I haven’t seen it yet either so who knows…

I’m curious about what’s going on in Philadelphia. Now Joel Embiid is scrubbing Philadelphia from his location on his social media profiles…
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August 15, 2023, 05:17:50 PM
The NBA schedule is being released today if anyone was dying to get their favorite games circled on the calendar. I know I’m personally looking forward to Phoenix’s home opener against the Los Angeles Lakers, as it will be the first time LeBron James and Kevin Durant have faced off in several years. Will surely be a great game to watch for fans.

I don't see the schedule on the official NBA site yet because it says "no data available." Anyway, if I understand correctly, the Lakers and Suns will meet in the in-season tournament. By the way, guys, what do you think about this change in the upcoming season? Will the regular season be more interesting for players and fans because of this in-season tournament or not?
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August 15, 2023, 03:07:23 PM

You can't blame him; he saw an opportunity overseas, so he grabbed that opportunity. However, with the recent news that his salary will be cut a bit, I guess he might be interested in playing with the NBA again. Let's hope that there's a team that would pick him up.

He is already 37 years old, not young anymore, but he can still play. With his experience and confidence, I'm sure he will be a big help. All we can do now is wait for the developments. Let's follow Howard's journey; who knows, he might end up with the Lakers again.

I surely don't know if there is a team that would likely accept him, at 1st I thought that the Golden State Warriors would acquire him back as the rumors go but for sure Dwight is not that in his prime anymore and I am against getting another old player because for sure they got Chris Paul in their team they can not afford in getting a 37 years old player that is about to deplete on his prime,


Here we go again with this guy and not so long ago we saw him when he wanted to leave the team he would do some funny thing for them to finally consider how to trade him as quickly as possible. remember when leaves his body to consume more than he needs and gains a huge amount of weight which makes him fat. The Houston Rockets became so frustrated and quickly released him because they thought there would be no chance for him to contribute good things to the team and suddenly after that, he retained his old self again. Now that he's doing his same old trick again the 76ers don't care about it anymore.

James Harden is getting desperate, he has asked a team that could likely help him get a championship and I think the 76ers have neatly complied but surely that is all the players they could get in giving Harden what he wants, and that was on the last season, but because the result is something that he doesn't want a likely getting out of the 76ers was all I am hearing, for sure the 76ers doesn't want to hear this kind of thing and they likely want to ban James Harden in whatever team he wants to play in, that is a bummer to hear for sure,

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August 15, 2023, 11:03:06 AM
The NBA schedule is being released today if anyone was dying to get their favorite games circled on the calendar. I know I’m personally looking forward to Phoenix’s home opener against the Los Angeles Lakers, as it will be the first time LeBron James and Kevin Durant have faced off in several years. Will surely be a great game to watch for fans.
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August 15, 2023, 09:41:32 AM
Kawhi has always been one of the biggest "what ifs" in the history of NBA, of course there are a lot more as well and this isn't at the top for sure but he is a big one. This dude won 2 fmvp's and is not even considered remotely anywhere the top, not even in any top 10 topics ever, I am not saying that he is not in it, I am saying he is not even considered to be in it at all, ever.

How many other 2 time finals mvp's can you name that people wouldn't even consider a small slight chance of them being in top 10? Nobody. That dude spent 2 years as bringing championship to his team, and all rest of his career as spending time resting his injury. That's really not normal and should be considered a bit weird but unlucky at the same time.
The king of "Load Management".

That's what some people call him right now, and that's true. Ever since he went to the Clippers after winning a title with the Raptors, he's been doing this load management sh*t that ruins the whole team. What's worse is that, he only says that he will not play just minutes or hours before the game even starts. I mean like WTF!!. You're being paid, and you will choose whether you will play or not even though you can play?

Anyway with regards to him being considered in the top 10, he's easily on the top 10 on the list of current active players right now "IF" he's healthy. We already saw how good he is back when he was in the Raptors, and he won a title there. I mean with his skills on both offense, and defense, I can put him in the top 10 conversation no doubts. It's just that injuries really ruin one's career, and that includes him. We know his potential, and how good he is.

2 Finals MVP's don't matter if you play like that. Always getting injured, can't be a leader, always silent, and at the same time, don't know how to laugh Cheesy. Kidding aside, Kawhi no doubt is a top 10 player, and there was a time where even Lebron is afraid of him when Kawhi is in the court because of how good he is defensively. I already said the problem with him, and I hope there will be a cure with that one.

Dude is a competitor his body obviously can't handle the full rigors of an 82 game season.  No reason to go hard in November and December only to have your season cut short when it matters most.  Not that I'm an advocate to sit but having kawhi for the backend of your season versus the front end is what we are more likely to see every year going forward.  
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August 15, 2023, 09:41:25 AM

Have you forgotten about Paul George's injury? I think his injuries were far worse than Leonard's, but look where he is now. He is still playing like a true star.

Who could forget that? It's one of the worst injuries, and at one point, I thought PG wouldn't be able to come back anymore. But he did well; he was able to come back and perform like his usual self, which is in contrast to the case of Derrick Rose. However, I'm no expert. Although Leonard's injury doesn't look as severe, I still consider it very serious since it was an ankle injury, and that area is quite sensitive. Once a player has a history of injury, it becomes easier to reinjure again.

Many was been devastated before when they see that and think that PG cannot go back to his form after that gruesome injury. But he surpass that supposed to be career ending injury and he play very well just like before.
But eventhough its not worse as what PG got still its still an injury and not everyone has the same level of recovery. In case Rose I guess he is not lucky and he always get hunted by multiple injuries which totally destroy his career
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August 15, 2023, 09:31:02 AM
Kawhi has always been one of the biggest "what ifs" in the history of NBA, of course there are a lot more as well and this isn't at the top for sure but he is a big one. This dude won 2 fmvp's and is not even considered remotely anywhere the top, not even in any top 10 topics ever, I am not saying that he is not in it, I am saying he is not even considered to be in it at all, ever.

How many other 2 time finals mvp's can you name that people wouldn't even consider a small slight chance of them being in top 10? Nobody. That dude spent 2 years as bringing championship to his team, and all rest of his career as spending time resting his injury. That's really not normal and should be considered a bit weird but unlucky at the same time.

I think he could've made to the discussion amongst the top 10 if he wasn't that frequently injured, what I mean is that the talent and consistency are already there and we can say as well that he was born to be a star in this league but it's just his injuries are far more consistent compared to his play time and that is the reason why he is very limited.
And if those things weren't a problem, he would definitely be among the discussion and gave some difficulties against the top teams in this league.
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August 15, 2023, 09:30:43 AM
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Personally, I don't think Leonard's career will end up like Westbrook's, because judging by his stats (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html), the consistency is still present. So even if he gets traded or his contract expires, I'm pretty sure there are still teams that would be willing to give him a good contract.
What do you mean end up like WB? Are you referring to his new contract with the Clippers? I thought it was a personal decision to remain with the team and take a huge pay cut since the management are restricted to offer more. I'm pretty sure other teams would be willing to give him a higher amount if he wanted out.
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August 15, 2023, 08:06:06 AM

Have you forgotten about Paul George's injury? I think his injuries were far worse than Leonard's, but look where he is now. He is still playing like a true star.

Who could forget that? It's one of the worst injuries, and at one point, I thought PG wouldn't be able to come back anymore. But he did well; he was able to come back and perform like his usual self, which is in contrast to the case of Derrick Rose. However, I'm no expert. Although Leonard's injury doesn't look as severe, I still consider it very serious since it was an ankle injury, and that area is quite sensitive. Once a player has a history of injury, it becomes easier to reinjure again.
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August 15, 2023, 07:29:34 AM
He's just underrated.

Sadly, there are players that have been at the top of fans preference and that's why they're more getting recognition. They're talking about title's and what, while some are getting the huge contracts despite not even touching a finals game.

And if it's about title, no doubt that Kawhi did it without that much of a superstar roster for his last or most recent title still, he's able to count on that roster that he's been with.

Crazy how one play against a dirty player seemingly derailed Kawhi from what an amazing career. Not to say he hasn’t had one, but he was certainly cut down right before his prime by a dirty close out. At least the NBA addressed the issue with a rule change, but you have to wonder how good Kawhi could have been.
Those dirty moves against him did really a lot to his career and you're right that it could have been better without it.

Yet, he still got the titles and he's still doing good as of now, at least IMO.

I could think of Westbrook just as him, with the little contract that he had accepted. Yes, his plays won't change but the look and view on him by everyone will surely changed.

Well, we can't turn back time; let's just accept what happened to him in the past. What matters is he is still in the NBA and still playing. Personally, I don't think Leonard's career will end up like Westbrook's, because judging by his stats (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html), the consistency is still present. So even if he gets traded or his contract expires, I'm pretty sure there are still teams that would be willing to give him a good contract.

Have you forgotten about Paul George's injury? I think his injuries were far worse than Leonard's, but look where he is now. He is still playing like a true star.
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August 15, 2023, 07:01:09 AM
He's just underrated.

Sadly, there are players that have been at the top of fans preference and that's why they're more getting recognition. They're talking about title's and what, while some are getting the huge contracts despite not even touching a finals game.

And if it's about title, no doubt that Kawhi did it without that much of a superstar roster for his last or most recent title still, he's able to count on that roster that he's been with.

Crazy how one play against a dirty player seemingly derailed Kawhi from what an amazing career. Not to say he hasn’t had one, but he was certainly cut down right before his prime by a dirty close out. At least the NBA addressed the issue with a rule change, but you have to wonder how good Kawhi could have been.
Those dirty moves against him did really a lot to his career and you're right that it could have been better without it.

Yet, he still got the titles and he's still doing good as of now, at least IMO.

I could think of Westbrook just as him, with the little contract that he had accepted. Yes, his plays won't change but the look and view on him by everyone will surely changed.

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August 15, 2023, 06:15:45 AM
Kawhi has always been one of the biggest "what ifs" in the history of NBA, of course there are a lot more as well and this isn't at the top for sure but he is a big one. This dude won 2 fmvp's and is not even considered remotely anywhere the top, not even in any top 10 topics ever, I am not saying that he is not in it, I am saying he is not even considered to be in it at all, ever.

How many other 2 time finals mvp's can you name that people wouldn't even consider a small slight chance of them being in top 10? Nobody. That dude spent 2 years as bringing championship to his team, and all rest of his career as spending time resting his injury. That's really not normal and should be considered a bit weird but unlucky at the same time.
He's just underrated.

Sadly, there are players that have been at the top of fans preference and that's why they're more getting recognition. They're talking about title's and what, while some are getting the huge contracts despite not even touching a finals game.

And if it's about title, no doubt that Kawhi did it without that much of a superstar roster for his last or most recent title still, he's able to count on that roster that he's been with.

Crazy how one play against a dirty player seemingly derailed Kawhi from what an amazing career. Not to say he hasn’t had one, but he was certainly cut down right before his prime by a dirty close out. At least the NBA addressed the issue with a rule change, but you have to wonder how good Kawhi could have been.

Yes, for San Antonio Spurs fans, they wouldn't forget how ZaZa did that intentionally to Kawhi and it did have a butterfly effect, first NBA have to change the rule and give space to the shooter, and second Kawhi won a ring to Toronto.

But that really derailed Kawhi's career and I think it is still the offshot of that dirty plays that up to still this day Kawhi didn't recovered fully and when he went to Clippers everything started to fall apart on his side.

It resulted in a good adjustment from the rules. After that incident with Zaza and Kawhai, NBA adjust the rules about that kind of defense,
good for the future players but for Kawhai it's really affects him.

Though after that he still won another title plus an FMVP but it didn't work out well as up to know he still suffering from that injury
and still curing it and trying to adjust to help his team.

We never know what awaits for him in this upcoming season. Hopefully, we see some healthy run from him.

I believe that was called the 'landing spot' foul. Kawhi managed to win championship with the Raptors after his injury was healed as he request to be traded, so I would say he's doing well. Perhaps his increasing age has made him more susceptible to injuries. However, with proper management, akin to what the Lakers did with Davis, the Clippers could become a powerful team in the playoffs. Given their roster featuring PG and WB, reaching the playoffs shouldn't be an issue, especially since they've been building their team chemistry.
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August 15, 2023, 04:11:29 AM
Kawhi has always been one of the biggest "what ifs" in the history of NBA, of course there are a lot more as well and this isn't at the top for sure but he is a big one. This dude won 2 fmvp's and is not even considered remotely anywhere the top, not even in any top 10 topics ever, I am not saying that he is not in it, I am saying he is not even considered to be in it at all, ever.

How many other 2 time finals mvp's can you name that people wouldn't even consider a small slight chance of them being in top 10? Nobody. That dude spent 2 years as bringing championship to his team, and all rest of his career as spending time resting his injury. That's really not normal and should be considered a bit weird but unlucky at the same time.
He's just underrated.

Sadly, there are players that have been at the top of fans preference and that's why they're more getting recognition. They're talking about title's and what, while some are getting the huge contracts despite not even touching a finals game.

And if it's about title, no doubt that Kawhi did it without that much of a superstar roster for his last or most recent title still, he's able to count on that roster that he's been with.

Crazy how one play against a dirty player seemingly derailed Kawhi from what an amazing career. Not to say he hasn’t had one, but he was certainly cut down right before his prime by a dirty close out. At least the NBA addressed the issue with a rule change, but you have to wonder how good Kawhi could have been.

Yes, for San Antonio Spurs fans, they wouldn't forget how ZaZa did that intentionally to Kawhi and it did have a butterfly effect, first NBA have to change the rule and give space to the shooter, and second Kawhi won a ring to Toronto.

But that really derailed Kawhi's career and I think it is still the offshot of that dirty plays that up to still this day Kawhi didn't recovered fully and when he went to Clippers everything started to fall apart on his side.

It resulted in a good adjustment from the rules. After that incident with Zaza and Kawhai, NBA adjust the rules about that kind of defense,
good for the future players but for Kawhai it's really affects him.

Though after that he still won another title plus an FMVP but it didn't work out well as up to know he still suffering from that injury
and still curing it and trying to adjust to help his team.

We never know what awaits for him in this upcoming season. Hopefully, we see some healthy run from him.
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August 15, 2023, 02:21:57 AM
Kawhi has always been one of the biggest "what ifs" in the history of NBA, of course there are a lot more as well and this isn't at the top for sure but he is a big one. This dude won 2 fmvp's and is not even considered remotely anywhere the top, not even in any top 10 topics ever, I am not saying that he is not in it, I am saying he is not even considered to be in it at all, ever.

How many other 2 time finals mvp's can you name that people wouldn't even consider a small slight chance of them being in top 10? Nobody. That dude spent 2 years as bringing championship to his team, and all rest of his career as spending time resting his injury. That's really not normal and should be considered a bit weird but unlucky at the same time.
The king of "Load Management".

That's what some people call him right now, and that's true. Ever since he went to the Clippers after winning a title with the Raptors, he's been doing this load management sh*t that ruins the whole team. What's worse is that, he only says that he will not play just minutes or hours before the game even starts. I mean like WTF!!. You're being paid, and you will choose whether you will play or not even though you can play?

Anyway with regards to him being considered in the top 10, he's easily on the top 10 on the list of current active players right now "IF" he's healthy. We already saw how good he is back when he was in the Raptors, and he won a title there. I mean with his skills on both offense, and defense, I can put him in the top 10 conversation no doubts. It's just that injuries really ruin one's career, and that includes him. We know his potential, and how good he is.

2 Finals MVP's don't matter if you play like that. Always getting injured, can't be a leader, always silent, and at the same time, don't know how to laugh Cheesy. Kidding aside, Kawhi no doubt is a top 10 player, and there was a time where even Lebron is afraid of him when Kawhi is in the court because of how good he is defensively. I already said the problem with him, and I hope there will be a cure with that one.
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August 14, 2023, 11:15:43 PM
The Athletic is reporting that the Philadelphia 76ers are refusing to trade James Harden and requesting him to appear in training camp. However, James Harden has said he has no plans to play for the 76ers this year and won’t be attending training camp. We’ve got ourselves a bit of a stand-off situation to start the 2024 season.
I don't get it. Are we witnessing the same thing that happened with Ben Simmons? I mean, does this prove that something is wrong in the 76ers' management than the players? Because this ain't the first anymore that a player refused to play for them.

We'll have to wait and see, my friend, but it's quite possible we might witness a situation similar to what's happening now, and it could potentially impact James Harden's career, just like Simmons is experiencing. The 76ers seem to be facing a problem here. While I don't have all the contract details, it seems like they might be wasting money and sacrificing their chances of making the playoffs if they opt not to trade James Harden and would choose to play undermanned. In my opinion, this doesn't seem to be a strategic move; it appears to be an inefficient way of handling the situation.
But if the other party doesn't like to play anymore, I doubt they can do something about it. Just like what Ben Simmons did. He just let the 76ers take the money but he still didn't play until he is free. I am curious though as to what could make James Harden feel this way. Is it the same as what the 76ers did with Ben Simmons or is there any other reason why Harden is being stubborn?
But I guess they won't leak any of that information since this is an internal dispute.

Ha! I guess the Sixers are like destroying careers, instead of getting rid of players who lost interest in playing for their team, they tend to hold them till he lost his value, and that could definitely affect the player's consistency in the game. Similar to what happened with Simmons. He lost value as he lost his game too. He could've focused and improved on his shooting, but the fact that he's still with the Sixers, it held him back from performing his best because he is not interested with the team anymore. I hope this doesn't affect James Harden though. Embid might be out in the next couple of season or until his next free agency.
I hope so too. But Harden already proved that he is a good player for a long time in his career although he has that bad habit of being nervous in a playoff or Conference Finals game.
Still, I think teams will be glad to sign him up if ever the 76ers would let him go. That's a better choice especially for teams who are aiming for the "win now" road. Like Clippers as an example.
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