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July 18, 2023, 11:27:12 AM
With James harden trying to force his way out of Philly to the clippers, Ben Simmons shipped out & Markelle Fultz being a flop, it seemed like Philly was resting its hopes on Joel Embiid. Well, now Embiid is saying he doesn’t care what team he plays for, he just wants a championship. It looks like ‘Trust the Process’ may officially be a failure soon.
I thought the process was already over after the Simmons trade. He already has MVP attached to his name so it's understandable that the only thing left is winning the championship. I won't be surprised if he asked for a trade too just to get that ring. He doesn't strike me as a loyal and persistent player like Giannis.
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July 18, 2023, 10:19:11 AM
With James harden trying to force his way out of Philly to the clippers, Ben Simmons shipped out & Markelle Fultz being a flop, it seemed like Philly was resting its hopes on Joel Embiid. Well, now Embiid is saying he doesn’t care what team he plays for, he just wants a championship. It looks like ‘Trust the Process’ may officially be a failure soon.
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July 18, 2023, 09:25:52 AM
Change is constant and that's why we're seeing the meta from these NBA teams are also changing. These tall players have been changing rounds and making it that the game has been changed already. But we've seen players like Yao Ming before and it's always been there but with just some added features from the tall players today and one of it is shooting. Although not all of them can have that feature that everybody wants because it will sacrifice some attributes like speed which is very common. And I agree to you that not at all times, the meta will always be working for these teams.

With tall players, there is another problem. Sometimes they are not workaholics. Just imagine someone like Shaq O’Neal having the work ethic like Kobe Bryant. Shaq O’Neal would have been the best in the world without a doubt. I don’t think anyone can question the greatness of him. But still, he could have done better with a better work ethic.
It's on them whatever type of workout and if they're workaholics. One thing for sure is that they've got their own motivations to work and train harder.

I don’t like players who are very tall, but skinny build. I personally believe that they have a bigger chance of getting injured. If tall players are medium build and powerful, I don’t have any problems. But some players like Bol Bol can actually get injured easily in my opinion. And it will be more problematic towards the later stages of his career.
The first impression of many with tall yet skinny is that they're unhealthy and can easily be beaten by bigger guys. But it is that the game is changing and the style of playing basketball especially in the NBA have been improving and upgrading. Tall guys are looking easy to get injured but that's part of it for every player.
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July 18, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
We just need to wait. Once the season begins, we will see those teams to play and who are the ones who improve the most.

There's no question about the Nuggets, as they have already proven themselves to be a great team by winning the championship. Honestly, I believe that their chemistry is strong enough for them to win back-to-back championships. The only reason they would lose that chance is if Murray or Jokic were to be injured, as they are the most consistent players on the team.
Since the beginning of the season the Nuggets have looked very prominent and have managed to become the strongest team in the west with the wins they always get.
Already Nuggets should have won this season and anyone who has been following NBA developments would have guessed midway through the season that the Nuggets have the biggest chance of winning.
Murray or Jokic has been one of the core players for the Nuggets and indeed on the second night of back-to-back sets they were rested by the Nuggets due to an injury.
But they weren't predicted to be the best team in the NBA before the playoffs.

If we review the 2022-2023 championship odds, the Nuggets are listed at +1800 to win the championship.

You can check the list here ; https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nba-odds-every-teams-2022-2023-championship-title-futures
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July 18, 2023, 08:25:51 AM
We just need to wait. Once the season begins, we will see those teams to play and who are the ones who improve the most.

There's no question about the Nuggets, as they have already proven themselves to be a great team by winning the championship. Honestly, I believe that their chemistry is strong enough for them to win back-to-back championships. The only reason they would lose that chance is if Murray or Jokic were to be injured, as they are the most consistent players on the team.
Since the beginning of the season the Nuggets have looked very prominent and have managed to become the strongest team in the west with the wins they always get.
Already Nuggets should have won this season and anyone who has been following NBA developments would have guessed midway through the season that the Nuggets have the biggest chance of winning.
Murray or Jokic has been one of the core players for the Nuggets and indeed on the second night of back-to-back sets they were rested by the Nuggets due to an injury.
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July 18, 2023, 08:21:17 AM
Free agent center Omer Yurtseven has signed a $5.4 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
Omer Yurtseven previously played for the Miami Heat. He didn't get many chances to play for the Miami Heat. I hope he plays more for the Utah Jazz and proves himself.

These centers nowadays are having a hard time showcasing their skills due to some limited minutes to play and when they are not effective enough on the court, they will gonna be sitting on the bench for the rest of the games, and in the end, their stats will not improve and will end up getting their rank to decrease as well because there are no more numbers to add. He needs to go to the team that doesn't have enough Center or they will just be lucky when the star center of that team gets injured and that's when they have the chance to change the people's view on them.

Or maybe he doesn't fit with the Heat because they play small ball, and slower players are not given many minutes within their system. The Jazz might have recognized some good value in this player, as they are looking to add size to their team. Additionally, the contract isn't too large, so there should be enough room under the salary cap to acquire more skilled players in various positions.
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July 18, 2023, 08:12:44 AM
That's the sad truth with these teams and the entire league, no matter how good you are then at the end of it everything matters as a business.
This could be a blessing in disguise for Cam. He might lose a lot of playing time in the next season with Beal and Booker taking any of the guard positions. Cam if he trains and competes well in San Antonio can shine, especially if Wembanyama turns into a machine next season or the following seasons.
I am sure that they know their roles and that's why whether he's got a lesser playing time, he knows it that it's for the team.

Maybe that's what they're trying to do but still, I think that they need more than that.
This trade is a big win for San Antonio and I felt like they are already looking forward to becoming a serious contender as fast as they could which might be possible if Wemby can average 20+ points and some more meaningful stats next season. I even saw earlier an article about the Spurs' potential to get Zion Williamson.
They need to strengthen their roster and just like how serious the other teams are. It's not just about focusing with Wemby but also to have some other supporting and key players.

He is still young and very capable of turning himself into a star one day. This exposure of having to play with these 4 superstars is huge and he will learn a lot. I can feel the excitement. Phoenix did something extraordinary by not just combining 3 superstars but 4. Maybe the media is not giving much attention to this because the city is not as big as LA or San Franciso, etc. but they will become the main talks if the quadrumvirate works very well. 
It's just that there's a bunch of good and athletic players and with the asset that he's got for his height, others have that and have a better shooting.

So, from his team now, that's all he need to do and improve to become a key role player.
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July 18, 2023, 07:42:31 AM
We just need to wait. Once the season begins, we will see those teams to play and who are the ones who improve the most.

There's no question about the Nuggets, as they have already proven themselves to be a great team by winning the championship. Honestly, I believe that their chemistry is strong enough for them to win back-to-back championships. The only reason they would lose that chance is if Murray or Jokic were to be injured, as they are the most consistent players on the team.
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July 18, 2023, 07:40:44 AM
Free agent center Omer Yurtseven has signed a $5.4 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
Omer Yurtseven previously played for the Miami Heat. He didn't get many chances to play for the Miami Heat. I hope he plays more for the Utah Jazz and proves himself.

These centers nowadays are having a hard time showcasing their skills due to some limited minutes to play and when they are not effective enough on the court, they will gonna be sitting on the bench for the rest of the games, and in the end, their stats will not improve and will end up getting their rank to decrease as well because there are no more numbers to add. He needs to go to the team that doesn't have enough Center or they will just be lucky when the star center of that team gets injured and that's when they have the chance to change the people's view on them.
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July 18, 2023, 07:33:32 AM
Tbh, I'd still have the Nuggets over the current Suns rosters. My views would change in mid season whether or not the Suns had an upgrade or just the same.
While too many talks about the rumors and biggest contracts, people are forgetting that the Nuggets are still Nuggets and they can still be this upcoming season's top team. But yes, that's likely to change when we see what happens to them in the mid-season. Because from there, it's going to be visible whether they're still dominating and they're likely to get into the playoffs. Although some of them have already been traded and gone out of the team but the entire major players are still intact.

No one would forget what the Nuggets did last season; it's just that they aren't a superteam, so the hype isn't really that big. Actually, there are still plenty of fans who believe the Nuggets won't repeat. This poses a challenge for them, and considering how humble this team is, they surely won't be complacent. Instead, they will work to improve their weaknesses.

Everyone has their own interpretations of whatever the current updates around NBA, but, yes, Nuggets are still the same in terms
of the core players, they still have that winning rotations.

It's going to be a nice challenge to them in repeating the back-to-back title or even doing a grand slam, though too far from
that as we all know, every teams are really trying to make good improvements.

We just need to wait. Once the season begins, we will see those teams to play and who are the ones who improve the most.
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July 18, 2023, 04:39:05 AM
It's okay if that's what you see on him. He's on the league and signed a million bucks for a year contract, that's still nice of him despite that he's out of the Magic and found a new home. I even thought that GSW is going to make the space for him but it seems that Phoenix got him first.

The guy is still new to the league and I agree with cryptomaniac that the hype that Wemby has made for tall rookies had also affected him. That's why the fans are hype to see him go around and wanting to know where he's going to go.

That's why having these good teammates could also bring his career on a better place. As we all know that Suns did a good finisher last season.
Bol Bol is nowhere near the level Wemby plays even after a few seasons in the league, the reason for that could be he didn't get enough minutes to develop obviously and that's a sad situation for him, if you didn't give any minutes then even Jokic or Giannis wouldn't be who they are, they got time to develop and that made them who they are. But also, Wemby came into the league with some euroleague history already, he has shown what he can do and that matters, which is why I believe that he will get more minutes.

I do not believe that he is a generational talent that will be MVP one day, but I do believe that he will become an All-star level player who will do wonderful in the future and maybe even some rings if Spurs put a good team around him in the future.
We'll see both of them grow in the NBA.

Wemby has got the attention that it seems treated like a superstar while he hasn't played yet. There's a big difference between him and Bol Bol. While it's like an assurance that Wemby is going to get a lot of playing time.

But with Bol Bol, we don't know if he's going to get a lot of playing time since he's with key players to his new team. Hopefully the rotation there is going to benefit him.
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July 18, 2023, 04:32:42 AM
I am someone who actually thinks that the meta is always not going to work if a team does not have proper players for the meta. I also believe that it will certainly be better for any team to actually not blindly follow the meta if they can go other ways and find success. But under any circumstances, players like Bol Bol will have to prove himself and that’s how he can keep himself in demand.
Change is constant and that's why we're seeing the meta from these NBA teams are also changing. These tall players have been changing rounds and making it that the game has been changed already. But we've seen players like Yao Ming before and it's always been there but with just some added features from the tall players today and one of it is shooting. Although not all of them can have that feature that everybody wants because it will sacrifice some attributes like speed which is very common. And I agree to you that not at all times, the meta will always be working for these teams.

With tall players, there is another problem. Sometimes they are not workaholics. Just imagine someone like Shaq O’Neal having the work ethic like Kobe Bryant. Shaq O’Neal would have been the best in the world without a doubt. I don’t think anyone can question the greatness of him. But still, he could have done better with a better work ethic.

I don’t like players who are very tall, but skinny build. I personally believe that they have a bigger chance of getting injured. If tall players are medium build and powerful, I don’t have any problems. But some players like Bol Bol can actually get injured easily in my opinion. And it will be more problematic towards the later stages of his career.


He already done better and he can't take all since he have teammates. Maybe you are talking when Shaq is not on his prime since its understandable since performance decline when a player aged. See some highlights when he's strong and you will see that he give a huge problem inside the paint to their opponents in both ends.

Bolbol is built different since new gen big mans are so soft maybe they are not well oiled up with physicality that's why they easily get those injuries.
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July 18, 2023, 04:19:34 AM
I am someone who actually thinks that the meta is always not going to work if a team does not have proper players for the meta. I also believe that it will certainly be better for any team to actually not blindly follow the meta if they can go other ways and find success. But under any circumstances, players like Bol Bol will have to prove himself and that’s how he can keep himself in demand.
Change is constant and that's why we're seeing the meta from these NBA teams are also changing. These tall players have been changing rounds and making it that the game has been changed already. But we've seen players like Yao Ming before and it's always been there but with just some added features from the tall players today and one of it is shooting. Although not all of them can have that feature that everybody wants because it will sacrifice some attributes like speed which is very common. And I agree to you that not at all times, the meta will always be working for these teams.

With tall players, there is another problem. Sometimes they are not workaholics. Just imagine someone like Shaq O’Neal having the work ethic like Kobe Bryant. Shaq O’Neal would have been the best in the world without a doubt. I don’t think anyone can question the greatness of him. But still, he could have done better with a better work ethic.

I don’t like players who are very tall, but skinny build. I personally believe that they have a bigger chance of getting injured. If tall players are medium build and powerful, I don’t have any problems. But some players like Bol Bol can actually get injured easily in my opinion. And it will be more problematic towards the later stages of his career.
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July 18, 2023, 03:18:27 AM
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Good for San Antonio Spurs, they now have a veteran perspective in their roster, that's if they won't move Payne to another team. I think he can do some help for the young Wemby.
Maybe that's what they're trying to do but still, I think that they need more than that.
Yeah, it's not enough, but I bet Cam Payne is also happy that he will now be playing with the most hyped player in the league. If he can do better than his performance in the Phoenix Suns then who knows if Coach Pops will make him the starter. Also, I think this will do him well being with a good coach like Pops.

No one would forget what the Nuggets did last season; it's just that they aren't a superteam, so the hype isn't really that big. Actually, there are still plenty of fans who believe the Nuggets won't repeat. This poses a challenge for them, and considering how humble this team is, they surely won't be complacent. Instead, they will work to improve their weaknesses.
True. They are still hungry. Jamal Murray won't stop with just one. Mike Malone too. That's their first on the franchise, it would be joyful if they can do it twice, and with the Joker being there, it's always possible. They must take advantage of his skills while he is still young.
It's sad that they have to let Bruce Brown go but I think they can still find another player that would be as aggressive as him on the defensive end. They do have Christian Braun who just needs some polishing. A big man with the energy and speed of a guard, I bet they are now training him to become a starter someday, or a sixth man maybe.
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July 18, 2023, 02:39:02 AM
Tbh, I'd still have the Nuggets over the current Suns rosters. My views would change in mid season whether or not the Suns had an upgrade or just the same.
While too many talks about the rumors and biggest contracts, people are forgetting that the Nuggets are still Nuggets and they can still be this upcoming season's top team. But yes, that's likely to change when we see what happens to them in the mid-season. Because from there, it's going to be visible whether they're still dominating and they're likely to get into the playoffs. Although some of them have already been traded and gone out of the team but the entire major players are still intact.

No one would forget what the Nuggets did last season; it's just that they aren't a superteam, so the hype isn't really that big. Actually, there are still plenty of fans who believe the Nuggets won't repeat. This poses a challenge for them, and considering how humble this team is, they surely won't be complacent. Instead, they will work to improve their weaknesses.
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July 18, 2023, 12:45:37 AM
Tbh, I'd still have the Nuggets over the current Suns rosters. My views would change in mid season whether or not the Suns had an upgrade or just the same.
While too many talks about the rumors and biggest contracts, people are forgetting that the Nuggets are still Nuggets and they can still be this upcoming season's top team. But yes, that's likely to change when we see what happens to them in the mid-season. Because from there, it's going to be visible whether they're still dominating and they're likely to get into the playoffs. Although some of them have already been traded and gone out of the team but the entire major players are still intact.
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July 18, 2023, 12:42:12 AM
Bol Bol is nowhere near the level Wemby plays even after a few seasons in the league, the reason for that could be he didn't get enough minutes to develop obviously and that's a sad situation for him, if you didn't give any minutes then even Jokic or Giannis wouldn't be who they are, they got time to develop and that made them who they are. But also, Wemby came into the league with some euroleague history already, he has shown what he can do and that matters, which is why I believe that he will get more minutes.

I do not believe that he is a generational talent that will be MVP one day, but I do believe that he will become an All-star level player who will do wonderful in the future and maybe even some rings if Spurs put a good team around him in the future.

Yes, that's true, Bol Bol has had few minutes on the court in recent seasons, he is a player who has potential for growth and I also say that he is one of the players of the future in the NBA, I believe that the bodyshape of NBA players is changing... (Holmgreen, Bol Bol, Wemby and others) they are tall, fast, can shoo tand have handles).

I'm looking forward to watch and analyze how Bol Bol will perform in this season.
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July 17, 2023, 11:30:41 PM
I really dont get why people loves and hype so much about bol bol, for me he is pure trash. He doesnt have the good movement that NBA requires, its not only about height, he lack that movility and also some tactis( but this can be learned). I can see him going from team to team without so many minutes and ended up on Japan or Australia, no much more.
It's okay if that's what you see on him. He's on the league and signed a million bucks for a year contract, that's still nice of him despite that he's out of the Magic and found a new home. I even thought that GSW is going to make the space for him but it seems that Phoenix got him first.

The guy is still new to the league and I agree with cryptomaniac that the hype that Wemby has made for tall rookies had also affected him. That's why the fans are hype to see him go around and wanting to know where he's going to go.

That's why having these good teammates could also bring his career on a better place. As we all know that Suns did a good finisher last season.
Bol Bol is nowhere near the level Wemby plays even after a few seasons in the league, the reason for that could be he didn't get enough minutes to develop obviously and that's a sad situation for him, if you didn't give any minutes then even Jokic or Giannis wouldn't be who they are, they got time to develop and that made them who they are. But also, Wemby came into the league with some euroleague history already, he has shown what he can do and that matters, which is why I believe that he will get more minutes.

I do not believe that he is a generational talent that will be MVP one day, but I do believe that he will become an All-star level player who will do wonderful in the future and maybe even some rings if Spurs put a good team around him in the future.
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July 17, 2023, 10:31:04 PM
Looks like the Phoenix Suns have addressed they’re not having a backup center by signing Bol Bol to a one year deal. This means they probably won’t be going after JaVale McGee in the free agent market. It also means that DeAndre Ayton had better not get too comfortable on this roster. I am excited that the Suns got Bol Bol though. He’s like a more developed version of Wemby.

Then if they aren't getting JaVale McGee on the Free agent market a likely Golden State Warriors transaction for McGee could happen and for me, as a Warriors fan this is a good thing JaVale McGee has already played in the Warriors Roster in the past so he is familiar with the play and strategy of the team and the GSW is badly needing big guys and McGee can provide an inside offense and defense to the team that has shown in the recent games,
In the recent draft, they got 2 players. One is 6 foot 5 inches, and the other one is 6 foot 9 inches.
TBH, with how the Warriors are good with developing their young players, I think they will focus more on developing Trayce Jackson-Davis, the one that they got in the recent draft. He has the same height as Looney, and although he isn't as efficient as he is on offense base on scouting reports, he is very efficient at the rim, and I guess with how loaded the Warriors are in terms of offense, he can just focus on defense

Though I want McGee to reunite with his former team, I think that the Warriors are on the road to develop younger players that will soon carry the team if the time has come for Steph, Klay, and Draymond to play lesser minutes or retire, and they're one of the best teams right now in terms of developing younger players. They developed Poole a few years ago, and even though he played poorly last playoffs, we know that he is capable of scoring at least 15-20 PPG. Overall, I think Looney, and this rookie Jackson-Davis is enough for the Warriors already. Wait they also have Saric who is a big as well, so the Warriors now are loaded with taller players now.

Free agent center Omer Yurtseven has signed a $5.4 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
Omer Yurtseven previously played for the Miami Heat. He didn't get many chances to play for the Miami Heat. I hope he plays more for the Utah Jazz and proves himself.
It's because of injuries that's why he didn't play that much when he's on the Heat.
Not a familiar name for me, but I just hope that his injuries will not be a hinder on his NBA career.
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July 17, 2023, 07:23:24 PM
Free agent center Omer Yurtseven has signed a $5.4 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
Omer Yurtseven previously played for the Miami Heat. He didn't get many chances to play for the Miami Heat. I hope he plays more for the Utah Jazz and proves himself.
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