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September 24, 2024, 04:49:20 AM

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.

The Clippers have no identity anymore, that's also a problem. If you build around a boring personality like Kawhi and then he doesn't even play it's hard to form anything.
In the past the Clips had some sort of identity, even when they were the "never win Clippers". After that is was "lob city", which was the definitely the high point of the franchise with player like CP3, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. But now, who actually cares about the Clippers anymore, nobody. They got a shiny new arena, live in a shiny city but there is nothing interesting about them now!  Roll Eyes

Well the identity of the city of Los Angeles still belongs to the Lakers. And as much as the Ballmer wanted to change that during the lob city, they can't as they can't win any NBA ring with the prime CP3 and Blake and Jordan, it's like there are still missing pieces. And they try to rebuild, Ballmer throwing a lot of money that time to acquire Kahwi. Unfortunately, it was a different version of Leonard already, as he was not the same anymore.

So even if they got that shiny new arena, and new players, if they are not going to win any, the city will be with the Lakers. They have Lebron, they won a ring in the bubble and they still have the banners along with the championship and retire great players. Clippers can't take that away, and now they've lost Paul George.
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September 24, 2024, 04:41:13 AM
Just in: Derrick Rose has been waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.  Embarrassed

Derrick Rose: Parting ways with Memphis

There are rumors that Rose himself has expressed a desire to leave the team. And it seems that Rose and the Grizzlies' management agreed on a buyout after he asked to be released from his contract. If that's true, it's a strange decision.
I don't know if he made this decision because of injuries or other reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire.
Hopefully, that hasn’t crossed his mind yet. We’ll never forget Derrick Rose as the youngest MVP in NBA history, making the Bulls such an exciting team to watch during his prime.

Pretty sure that has crossed his mind already many times most probably. But, he's just maximizing his chance to still be in the league as long as there are teams who are willing to sign him.
That injury has devastated him both physically and mentally. Though he made a little come back of his old self outside Chicago, but that's just it. He's got passion in playing ball, but I think the injury still lingers somewhere at the back of his mind and that potentially hold him back, aside from the physical effects, from performing his best.
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September 24, 2024, 04:02:00 AM
Just in: Derrick Rose has been waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.  Embarrassed

Derrick Rose: Parting ways with Memphis

There are rumors that Rose himself has expressed a desire to leave the team. And it seems that Rose and the Grizzlies' management agreed on a buyout after he asked to be released from his contract. If that's true, it's a strange decision.
I don't know if he made this decision because of injuries or other reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire.

Maybe it's time for him to just retire, and it seems that this buyout is already a proof of it. Although as fans we don't what him to retire and wanted to see him play, but teams might not be interested because we all know that after the injury, it was a different Derrick Rose.

Although he tries to revived his career developing his outside shot, teams are not willing to take their chance against the former MVP as he could reinjured himself or he might not contribute at all just like in last playing days with the Grizzlies.
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September 24, 2024, 02:46:32 AM
Just in: Derrick Rose has been waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.  Embarrassed

Derrick Rose: Parting ways with Memphis

There are rumors that Rose himself has expressed a desire to leave the team. And it seems that Rose and the Grizzlies' management agreed on a buyout after he asked to be released from his contract. If that's true, it's a strange decision.
I don't know if he made this decision because of injuries or other reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire.
Hopefully, that hasn’t crossed his mind yet. We’ll never forget Derrick Rose as the youngest MVP in NBA history, making the Bulls such an exciting team to watch during his prime. It would be great if the Bulls, as a gesture of appreciation, allowed Rose to retire with them (if that’s something Rose would want too).
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September 23, 2024, 11:33:17 PM
Just in: Derrick Rose has been waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.  Embarrassed

Derrick Rose: Parting ways with Memphis

There are rumors that Rose himself has expressed a desire to leave the team. And it seems that Rose and the Grizzlies' management agreed on a buyout after he asked to be released from his contract. If that's true, it's a strange decision.
I don't know if he made this decision because of injuries or other reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire.
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September 23, 2024, 05:06:45 PM
They have no use of him when he's injured but just some claps and cheer to his teammates.

But once he's healthy again, it's not about how he can contribute but the worries will start of what if he gets injured again.  Cheesy

Well, a business that became a business of a star player. Well done, Kawhi!  Wink

It's honestly a shame dude would have been a top 5 player in the league if he was healthy.  Was deadly on both ends of the floor.  I always loved he had that mid range jumper that was unstoppable.  He played like the dudes back in the 1990s played, didn't just sit around the 3 point line chucking up random 3s.  I root for the guy but agree, when he is on the floor ypu just wonder when's the next trip to the bench. 

Weird part is Paul George's games played is about the same but people saying he is gonna save the 76ers at 34 years old with 50 year old knees lol.
Hahaha, that's how it goes for them now. They've got the oldies knees and maybe Kawhi will be staying for that long and who knows if his next move is retirement.

Just in: Derrick Rose has been waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.  Embarrassed

Derrick Rose: Parting ways with Memphis
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September 23, 2024, 04:40:34 PM
He was once a superstar but after all, that faded away.

He's got a nice stint with Spurs and Raptors but being with the Clippers seems like the team has caught a falling knife.

So his contract with the Clippers will be up to 2026-2027, that's a nice paycheck without having much to play at all.  Grin

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.
They have no use of him when he's injured but just some claps and cheer to his teammates.

But once he's healthy again, it's not about how he can contribute but the worries will start of what if he gets injured again.  Cheesy

Well, a business that became a business of a star player. Well done, Kawhi!  Wink

It's honestly a shame dude would have been a top 5 player in the league if he was healthy.  Was deadly on both ends of the floor.  I always loved he had that mid range jumper that was unstoppable.  He played like the dudes back in the 1990s played, didn't just sit around the 3 point line chucking up random 3s.  I root for the guy but agree, when he is on the floor ypu just wonder when's the next trip to the bench. 

Weird part is Paul George's games played is about the same but people saying he is gonna save the 76ers at 34 years old with 50 year old knees lol.
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September 23, 2024, 04:22:32 PM
He was once a superstar but after all, that faded away.

He's got a nice stint with Spurs and Raptors but being with the Clippers seems like the team has caught a falling knife.

So his contract with the Clippers will be up to 2026-2027, that's a nice paycheck without having much to play at all.  Grin

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.
They have no use of him when he's injured but just some claps and cheer to his teammates.

But once he's healthy again, it's not about how he can contribute but the worries will start of what if he gets injured again.  Cheesy

Well, a business that became a business of a star player. Well done, Kawhi!  Wink
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September 23, 2024, 10:26:46 AM
Jayson Tatum said something about the Finals.
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Just like Tatum, I thought it would be the Denver Nuggets too. I never expected that much from Kyrie and Luka of the Mavs that year because I thought they were still building their chemistry. That was really a surprising end on the Western Conference side.
Well, this year will be more surprising, I see the Timberwolves going back strong in the WCF, maybe against the Mavs again or the Nuggets. Eastern Conference could become unpredictable and I see the Knicks being on the top if healthy. 76ers should not be underestimated too after acquiring PG13, as long as he and Embiid stay healthy it will be a scary duo, plus Maxey of course.
I have doubts that the Celtics could make a back-to-back championship.
Many of us expected the same thing, and I think it's pretty normal that we think that way knowing that they're the defending champions at that time.

TBH, that Finals Match-up would be much better than that of Dallas-Boston. No disrespect to the Mavericks because they're a strong team, but it would be a better series in my opinion if it's Denver-Boston. It is what is, and the Nuggets can contend again this season and get that 2nd title... or are they a title contender right now? Why and why not? As for the contenders for the West, I see the Timberwolves as well to compete, but let's not forget the Thunder that just got an upgrade with the acquisition of Hartenstein and Caruso. I will not be surprised if the Thunder will win a title in the next 3-5 years with their current roster or at least the core players intact.

As for the East, Knicks might be the "dark horse" of the East but I'm thinking of who will be their Center if Mitchell Robinson will get injured. They don't have a back-up big because they let Hartenstein walk away, and because of this, I see the Sixers as the top contender in the East aside from the Celtics. Bucks? Nah, just forget about them they're pretty shit in defense and you can't win a title if you're that bad on defense. Will the Celtics make a back-to-back? TBH, they can. I mean the roster's almost the same, and their role players stayed which is a good thing. If there's one hindrance to them, it's injuries, but I think they can do it. Smiley
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September 23, 2024, 08:40:27 AM
I believe if wasn't for Kawhi Leonard injuries he would have been able to keep his streak .

True, they managed to build a solid team with PG, Westbrook, and other key role players. I think the real issue lies with the Clippers management. Even before Kawhi was signed/traded to the Raptors, he was already injury-prone. But coach Nick Nurse did an excellent job managing his minutes, using load management effectively. It paid off, as Kawhi was incredibly consistent during the playoffs. And if you think about it, the Raptors' roster back then wasn’t as stacked compared to the Clippers’ roster when Leonard was traded.

But now that PG 13 is out on Clippers then they really need the service of Kawhi since the gap to fill by PG's departure is so big and they need to fill up those contributions he bring to his team. So don't know what will be the adjustment done by Clippers in this situation since if they only trust Harden to lead their team then I think nothing will happen on them. So Kawhi need to be healthy and play more games since they might fall short this season if they still keep doing that load management thing in their team. Kawhi is important piece for their team but his prone to injuries is really a huge problem for Clippers.

Let see how Clippers will handle this situation or they still do the load management thing and see if they can able to reach far in this season.

I think Leonard performs better without too many superstars around him. As for Harden, his production has definitely dropped, but if Leonard gets injured again, Harden will have no choice but to step up. However, in that case, the Clippers might struggle to even make the playoffs.

A healthy Leonard is a real threat, and who knows, maybe next season the Clippers could finally win their first franchise championship. The downside is that Leonard isn't getting any younger, and the injuries he’s facing now are definitely a worrying sign for the future.
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September 23, 2024, 08:20:04 AM
I believe if wasn't for Kawhi Leonard injuries he would have been able to keep his streak .

True, they managed to build a solid team with PG, Westbrook, and other key role players. I think the real issue lies with the Clippers management. Even before Kawhi was signed/traded to the Raptors, he was already injury-prone. But coach Nick Nurse did an excellent job managing his minutes, using load management effectively. It paid off, as Kawhi was incredibly consistent during the playoffs. And if you think about it, the Raptors' roster back then wasn’t as stacked compared to the Clippers’ roster when Leonard was traded.

But now that PG 13 is out on Clippers then they really need the service of Kawhi since the gap to fill by PG's departure is so big and they need to fill up those contributions he bring to his team. So don't know what will be the adjustment done by Clippers in this situation since if they only trust Harden to lead their team then I think nothing will happen on them. So Kawhi need to be healthy and play more games since they might fall short this season if they still keep doing that load management thing in their team. Kawhi is important piece for their team but his prone to injuries is really a huge problem for Clippers.

Let see how Clippers will handle this situation or they still do the load management thing and see if they can able to reach far in this season.
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September 23, 2024, 08:11:02 AM

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.

The Clippers have no identity anymore, that's also a problem. If you build around a boring personality like Kawhi and then he doesn't even play it's hard to form anything.
In the past the Clips had some sort of identity, even when they were the "never win Clippers". After that is was "lob city", which was the definitely the high point of the franchise with player like CP3, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. But now, who actually cares about the Clippers anymore, nobody. They got a shiny new arena, live in a shiny city but there is nothing interesting about them now!  Roll Eyes




Sad true, way back even they keep failing themselves losing both from Warriors and Spurs but they've got something that fans really wanting to support them, I was one of those who loves seeing CP3 throwing that high ball either with DeAndre or Blake and you'll be enjoying how they played in the air or how they manage to catch and dunks the ball.

It was pandemic season if I remember it right when Clippers was upset by the young Nuggets after they led 3-1 or something like that, it was anticipated that it might be a battle of LA's in the west but Nuggets bounce back and snatch that West finals slot from the Clippers, then the rest was all about Kawhi's injuries..
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September 23, 2024, 07:51:04 AM
I believe if wasn't for Kawhi Leonard injuries he would have been able to keep his streak .

True, they managed to build a solid team with PG, Westbrook, and other key role players. I think the real issue lies with the Clippers management. Even before Kawhi was signed/traded to the Raptors, he was already injury-prone. But coach Nick Nurse did an excellent job managing his minutes, using load management effectively. It paid off, as Kawhi was incredibly consistent during the playoffs. And if you think about it, the Raptors' roster back then wasn’t as stacked compared to the Clippers’ roster when Leonard was traded.
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September 23, 2024, 06:48:50 AM
Kawhi Leonard getting injured (or more like pg13 with him) then surely he would have been better player, but as of right now we know that ever since his Spurs last year, he has been injured way too frequently and been doing terrible. I think it's clear that he is too injury prone and that is why no team wants to take that risk, Clippers pays him so much just to recover most of the time.

I think Kawhi Leonard isn't a superstar like many think he is, sure when he played he won, but that was just two good seasons from him, aside from that he never played that great and I think it's clear that even with all that much talent, when you are missing most of the season, you are not a threat to anyone and teams write off Clippers before the season starts, even if Kawhi starts the season healthy, they bet that he will get injured again anyway.

Well the injuries has cause him alot , especially his knee injury which made him to miss some season . During the year 2015-2016 he was among the all-time 75 best player, one thing about athletes injuries is one of their greatest enemy which can easily end their career or reduce the growth in their career.

I believe if wasn't for Kawhi Leonard injuries he would have been able to keep his streak .
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September 23, 2024, 06:02:34 AM

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.

The Clippers have no identity anymore, that's also a problem. If you build around a boring personality like Kawhi and then he doesn't even play it's hard to form anything.
In the past the Clips had some sort of identity, even when they were the "never win Clippers". After that is was "lob city", which was the definitely the high point of the franchise with player like CP3, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. But now, who actually cares about the Clippers anymore, nobody. They got a shiny new arena, live in a shiny city but there is nothing interesting about them now!  Roll Eyes



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September 23, 2024, 05:47:13 AM
Kawhi Leonard getting injured (or more like pg13 with him) then surely he would have been better player, but as of right now we know that ever since his Spurs last year, he has been injured way too frequently and been doing terrible. I think it's clear that he is too injury prone and that is why no team wants to take that risk, Clippers pays him so much just to recover most of the time.

I think Kawhi Leonard isn't a superstar like many think he is, sure when he played he won, but that was just two good seasons from him, aside from that he never played that great and I think it's clear that even with all that much talent, when you are missing most of the season, you are not a threat to anyone and teams write off Clippers before the season starts, even if Kawhi starts the season healthy, they bet that he will get injured again anyway.
He was once a superstar but after all, that faded away.

He's got a nice stint with Spurs and Raptors but being with the Clippers seems like the team has caught a falling knife.

So his contract with the Clippers will be up to 2026-2027, that's a nice paycheck without having much to play at all.  Grin

That's right, Clippers shoulder him and gave him huge contracts but until know he's not bringing anything for the franchise as he keeps resting because of his injury.

They can't force him as there's doctors recommendations and if he needs to rest then he should be resting, like you mentioned he's level of being a star is fading and it's the name that gives clippers some revenue those who still buying his collectibles but NBA wise as a franchise player there's no conversions after he's being acquired.
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September 22, 2024, 06:47:46 PM
Jayson Tatum said something about the Finals.

Celtics' Jayson Tatum says Nuggets matched up best with 2024 champions
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-jayson-tatum-says-nuggets-matched-up-best-with-2024-champions/

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"People always ask me, when did you guys know you were going to win a championship?" Tatum said. "When Minnesota beat Denver, I felt like Denver was the only team that they matched up best with us. I thought that we were going to play Denver in the Finals and it was going to be a good one.

"But when we were in Dallas and we went up, 3-0, oh my God. Nobody has ever come back from 0-3, so I remember getting back to the locker room and I remember saying, I don't know what game it's going to be, but we're going to win the championship. That was a weird feeling. I wasn't able to sleep that night and I remember the morning of Game 4 we had shootaround, and I had never been in the position that if we win tonight, we're champions. We were at shootaround and everybody was trying to act normal. I couldn't take a nap. We lost by like 30. We wanted to win so bad. We were so anxious and so tight. But I knew when we were coming back home for Game 5, we were going to win."

Just like Tatum, I thought it would be the Denver Nuggets too. I never expected that much from Kyrie and Luka of the Mavs that year because I thought they were still building their chemistry. That was really a surprising end on the Western Conference side.
Well, this year will be more surprising, I see the Timberwolves going back strong in the WCF, maybe against the Mavs again or the Nuggets. Eastern Conference could become unpredictable and I see the Knicks being on the top if healthy. 76ers should not be underestimated too after acquiring PG13, as long as he and Embiid stay healthy it will be a scary duo, plus Maxey of course.
I have doubts that the Celtics could make a back-to-back championship.
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September 22, 2024, 05:45:58 PM
Kawhi Leonard getting injured (or more like pg13 with him) then surely he would have been better player, but as of right now we know that ever since his Spurs last year, he has been injured way too frequently and been doing terrible. I think it's clear that he is too injury prone and that is why no team wants to take that risk, Clippers pays him so much just to recover most of the time.

I think Kawhi Leonard isn't a superstar like many think he is, sure when he played he won, but that was just two good seasons from him, aside from that he never played that great and I think it's clear that even with all that much talent, when you are missing most of the season, you are not a threat to anyone and teams write off Clippers before the season starts, even if Kawhi starts the season healthy, they bet that he will get injured again anyway.
He was once a superstar but after all, that faded away.

He's got a nice stint with Spurs and Raptors but being with the Clippers seems like the team has caught a falling knife.

So his contract with the Clippers will be up to 2026-2027, that's a nice paycheck without having much to play at all.  Grin
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September 22, 2024, 01:52:20 PM
I'm not a Kawhi fan at all. He won a title in Toronto with the Raptors , but he to comes off as a diva. I don't like the way he avoids the media, I don't like that he sits out whenever possible, and the fact that he is injured a ton it seems. Would rather see teams spend money on a star that embraces the media and fans and gives people their moneys worth.



Exactly. I have the exact same opinion of him. If he had the "mamba mentality" he could have had such a great career with the talent he has but somehow he pisses his prime away.
He doesn't even sit on the bench to support his teammates when being hurt, that says a lot about a player. You are getting paid millions and can watch free games court side, that's heaven if you ask me.
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September 22, 2024, 01:42:43 PM
Kawhi Leonard getting injured (or more like pg13 with him) then surely he would have been better player, but as of right now we know that ever since his Spurs last year, he has been injured way too frequently and been doing terrible. I think it's clear that he is too injury prone and that is why no team wants to take that risk, Clippers pays him so much just to recover most of the time.

I think Kawhi Leonard isn't a superstar like many think he is, sure when he played he won, but that was just two good seasons from him, aside from that he never played that great and I think it's clear that even with all that much talent, when you are missing most of the season, you are not a threat to anyone and teams write off Clippers before the season starts, even if Kawhi starts the season healthy, they bet that he will get injured again anyway.
I'm not a Kawhi fan at all. He won a title in Toronto with the Raptors , but he to comes off as a diva. I don't like the way he avoids the media, I don't like that he sits out whenever possible, and the fact that he is injured a ton it seems. Would rather see teams spend money on a star that embraces the media and fans and gives people their moneys worth.

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