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Quote from: Russlenat on January 29, 2023, 01:09:06 AM

We have a very rare betting odds in the first game.

Converge 1.64 vs Magnolia 2.17.

I don't know what's the reason behind, but usually Magnolia is the favorites.
Are they playing without import? Anyone knows some information regarding this game?

We don't know the reason, probably because Converge has a good record so far. And as far as the game is concerned, Converge is still leading the game now. They lead double digit but Magnolia is not giving up though. Good to the bettors of Magnolia ML, they still have a chance to win.

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We have a very rare betting odds in the first game.

Converge 1.64 vs Magnolia 2.17.

I don't know what's the reason behind, but usually Magnolia is the favorites.
Are they playing without import? Anyone knows some information regarding this game?

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 28, 2023, 02:06:32 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on January 28, 2023, 12:20:53 PM

Even without Bollick, Northport was able to make the game a close one. Nlex was just able to pull away from Northport mid the fourth quarter. But in the quarters before, Northport was able to stay close to Nlex. I think Northport's import is good but easily distracted and loses focus with the physicality of the game.

With Bolick's way of playing where he always ball hog and owned the role of being the main scorer, it leads for his teammates to freely rotate the ball as Bolick is not there. It actually becomes a good reason that Bolick is currently not playing as other casts of the team are being fully utilized.

Bolick is known to always not try to become a shadow by their import. Instead of the play was designed on the import, Bolick will ruin it and instead, will do the job. It's actually good that Bolick is having a mindset like that where he don't want to rely on import but it seems to me that for him, it's a competition and not a team work.

Not really too much of a ball hog, just look at the difference between him playing and not, and you can tell that there's a better chance of winning with him. Now that he is not playing anymore, I don't know of this team would ever win a game, I'm afraid they'll experience a cold streak like what the Blackwater and DYIP have experienced before.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 27, 2023, 04:21:17 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 26, 2023, 09:50:17 PM

If I'm Bollick, I might try my luck overseas and play in the B-league. I mean B-league already gave sign to him that they will get him if he will play there. More money, more experience, more challenging.

Agree with you, Bollick would make a lot of money compared to the amount he would receive even if he will get a max contract. The love of basketball and money should go together because even if you are too loyal in your team in the PBA, you will still be traded when you are less effective.

That's not new already, we've seen plenty of players who are already traded and eventually lose their career.

Robert Bolick is already aware of how big the difference is in terms of salary between playing locally and as an import overseas. However, it's not just the salary but the obligation and responsibility in order to maintain that big contract on foreign teams that are highly expected.

Once a local player considers playing outside the country, there's a low chance for that player to return to the PBA that's why it's not easy for long-time PBA players already to just accept the offer from other countries since there are lots of "what if" here.

What if got injured? What if not playing well? What if the expectations of the scout didn't meet? - might be some thoughts of those PBA players.

Well then, there's a rumor that Bolick is now in Taiwan but Pido Jarencio himself clarifies that it's not true. Who knows though?

2 days to go and Bolick's contract will expire and yet nothing hear from his side. Why it takes too long to decide? Hmmmm...

If he has the desire to go abroad and become an import, he should do it. He should not be hampered by the "what ifs" that you are saying because the same "what ifs" will haunt him if he stays. The pay is significantly higher, and he can earn in a few months what he earns in a year in PBA. That should put him in a good spot if he knows how to handle his finances.

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Quote from: jakelyson on January 28, 2023, 12:20:53 PM

Even without Bollick, Northport was able to make the game a close one. Nlex was just able to pull away from Northport mid the fourth quarter. But in the quarters before, Northport was able to stay close to Nlex. I think Northport's import is good but easily distracted and loses focus with the physicality of the game.

With Bolick's way of playing where he always ball hog and owned the role of being the main scorer, it leads for his teammates to freely rotate the ball as Bolick is not there. It actually becomes a good reason that Bolick is currently not playing as other casts of the team are being fully utilized.

Bolick is known to always not try to become a shadow by their import. Instead of the play was designed on the import, Bolick will ruin it and instead, will do the job. It's actually good that Bolick is having a mindset like that where he don't want to rely on import but it seems to me that for him, it's a competition and not a team work.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 27, 2023, 04:21:17 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 26, 2023, 09:50:17 PM

If I'm Bollick, I might try my luck overseas and play in the B-league. I mean B-league already gave sign to him that they will get him if he will play there. More money, more experience, more challenging.

Agree with you, Bollick would make a lot of money compared to the amount he would receive even if he will get a max contract. The love of basketball and money should go together because even if you are too loyal in your team in the PBA, you will still be traded when you are less effective.

That's not new already, we've seen plenty of players who are already traded and eventually lose their career.

Robert Bolick is already aware of how big the difference is in terms of salary between playing locally and as an import overseas. However, it's not just the salary but the obligation and responsibility in order to maintain that big contract on foreign teams that are highly expected.

Once a local player considers playing outside the country, there's a low chance for that player to return to the PBA that's why it's not easy for long-time PBA players already to just accept the offer from other countries since there are lots of "what if" here.

What if got injured? What if not playing well? What if the expectations of the scout didn't meet? - might be some thoughts of those PBA players.

Well then, there's a rumor that Bolick is now in Taiwan but Pido Jarencio himself clarifies that it's not true. Who knows though?

2 days to go and Bolick's contract will expire and yet nothing hear from his side. Why it takes too long to decide? Hmmmm...

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Quote from: Shamm on January 28, 2023, 11:01:46 AM

Quote from: Johnyz on January 28, 2023, 07:20:07 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 28, 2023, 05:48:04 AM

Getting that point with Williams, it's true that each season he always have his drama maybe he's idolizing Kyrie, and he's doing the same pattern as how Kyrie is acting from NBA, but kidding aside, if he will continue acting like that and with coach Jolas it will be tough between the two, just hoping that they will be both act as pro and set the problem outside the court.

They've got a good start with a 2-0 on their team, but they will be tested once facing the SMC franchise. We all know that competition will start when super teams are against another super team.

TNT always have a good start and consider as one of the contender every season, its just that they are not consistent and missed a lot of opportunities already. With their current standing, its too early to celebrate because they should play their best on every game if they really want to be back in the finals again. Playing against SMC will be a big one for them, early on this conference and they have to play well and stop that drama focus more on their passing and shooting.

Absolutely mate you are right its early to celebrate for now as we all know that TNT not yet facing their real game and they will face if they can matchup a strong team like them and that's will happen if they will face SMB or Baranggay Ginebra as we all know that SMC teams are very tough and strong and also its early to say that TNT is a strong team this season as we all know thier performance last season they will strong in the early and elimination round but in the Quarter finals they loss.

Like what I mentioned they will be tested once they will face another top caliber franchise, Gin kings with Brownlee while SMB got a healthier Fajardo and Romeo, something that they need to prepare and make sure that the chemistry among players and coaches are still intact, else, they will not be able to matchup with these two all-star squads.

Too early to judge them, as we need to see them playing with each other, or much better seeing them in the next round and see
who's going to advance to the semis and finals!

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 28, 2023, 08:38:40 AM

Another win for NLEX, they are now 2-0. What a great start for their conference, but there's a sad news as their import was only contracted for 4 games, after that, I don't know, maybe NLEX will bring a new import. They beat the Northport, and still not Bollick playing for that team. Sad

I think it was mentioned that NLEX is trying to make him stay but we will see in the near future if they can convince him to stay. He has a stellar performance tonight. I watched him play tonight and I think he is a good match with the locals of NLEX.

Even without Bollick, Northport was able to make the game a close one. Nlex was just able to pull away from Northport mid the fourth quarter. But in the quarters before, Northport was able to stay close to Nlex. I think Northport's import is good but easily distracted and loses focus with the physicality of the game.

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Quote from: Johnyz on January 28, 2023, 07:20:07 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 28, 2023, 05:48:04 AM

Getting that point with Williams, it's true that each season he always have his drama maybe he's idolizing Kyrie, and he's doing the same pattern as how Kyrie is acting from NBA, but kidding aside, if he will continue acting like that and with coach Jolas it will be tough between the two, just hoping that they will be both act as pro and set the problem outside the court.

They've got a good start with a 2-0 on their team, but they will be tested once facing the SMC franchise. We all know that competition will start when super teams are against another super team.

TNT always have a good start and consider as one of the contender every season, its just that they are not consistent and missed a lot of opportunities already. With their current standing, its too early to celebrate because they should play their best on every game if they really want to be back in the finals again. Playing against SMC will be a big one for them, early on this conference and they have to play well and stop that drama focus more on their passing and shooting.

Absolutely mate you are right its early to celebrate for now as we all know that TNT not yet facing their real game and they will face if they can matchup a strong team like them and that's will happen if they will face SMB or Baranggay Ginebra as we all know that SMC teams are very tough and strong and also its early to say that TNT is a strong team this season as we all know thier performance last season they will strong in the early and elimination round but in the Quarter finals they loss.

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Tomorrow we have big games also, Magnolia and SMB will have their debut against their respective opponents. As per PBA schedule;

1st game @4:30 PM, we have Converge vs Magnolia ( Converge will be tested here, they are on a winning streak, so let's see)
2nd game @6:45 PM, it's SMB vs Phoenix Super LPG, this is a tough game who are still winless this conference.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 28, 2023, 08:53:18 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on January 28, 2023, 08:38:40 AM

Another win for NLEX, they are now 2-0. What a great start for their conference, but there's a sad news as their import was only contracted for 4 games, after that, I don't know, maybe NLEX will bring a new import. They beat the Northport, and still not Bollick playing for that team. Sad

Any news on to why Bollick isn't playing with the NorthPort. I mean they need him obviously in terms of offense.

I don't know, I think his camp choose not to play him as he will be traded soon.
This article says he might play agianst Meralco but he did not show up until, it also said that he has a hamstring injury.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/bolick-to-miss-northport-vs-converge-match-as-extension-talks-hit-standstill/260216

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 28, 2023, 08:53:18 AM

Yes the current import now of NLEX will only play for the first 4 games and after that, he will fly to China to play there so maybe at this moment, they are already looking for a replacement import that will replace Simmons after his 4th game. It's a good thing though that the former NBA player shared some good things in our league like how the physicality is and how players are playing is far more than he expected. Good start for the NLEX. It looks like MVP teams are trying to redeem themselves after an early exit last Commissioners' Cup.

On the first game, the TerraFirma Dyip manages to defeat the Meralco Bolts 96-89. A bit surprising if you will ask me because we always see the Dyip losing.
Tiongson lead the team in scoring with 30 points followed by their import Williams with 29. This is what a team can do if the import gets enough help from the local players.

Yes, I was thinking that Meralco will once again dominate their opponent, but DYIP surprise them.
It was a low scoring game but Mcdaniels still able to tally a big production, 29 points and 19 rebounds. I know that their import is good but he also need a support from the locals.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 28, 2023, 08:38:40 AM

Another win for NLEX, they are now 2-0. What a great start for their conference, but there's a sad news as their import was only contracted for 4 games, after that, I don't know, maybe NLEX will bring a new import. They beat the Northport, and still not Bollick playing for that team. Sad

Any news on to why Bollick isn't playing with the NorthPort. I mean they need him obviously in terms of offense.

Yes the current import now of NLEX will only play for the first 4 games and after that, he will fly to China to play there so maybe at this moment, they are already looking for a replacement import that will replace Simmons after his 4th game. It's a good thing though that the former NBA player shared some good things in our league like how the physicality is and how players are playing is far more than he expected. Good start for the NLEX. It looks like MVP teams are trying to redeem themselves after an early exit last Commissioners' Cup.

On the first game, the TerraFirma Dyip manages to defeat the Meralco Bolts 96-89. A bit surprising if you will ask me because we always see the Dyip losing.
Tiongson lead the team in scoring with 30 points followed by their import Williams with 29. This is what a team can do if the import gets enough help from the local players.

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Another win for NLEX, they are now 2-0. What a great start for their conference, but there's a sad news as their import was only contracted for 4 games, after that, I don't know, maybe NLEX will bring a new import. They beat the Northport, and still not Bollick playing for that team. Sad

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Quote from: Johnyz on January 28, 2023, 07:20:07 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 28, 2023, 05:48:04 AM

Getting that point with Williams, it's true that each season he always have his drama maybe he's idolizing Kyrie, and he's doing the same pattern as how Kyrie is acting from NBA, but kidding aside, if he will continue acting like that and with coach Jolas it will be tough between the two, just hoping that they will be both act as pro and set the problem outside the court.

They've got a good start with a 2-0 on their team, but they will be tested once facing the SMC franchise. We all know that competition will start when super teams are against another super team.

TNT always have a good start and consider as one of the contender every season, its just that they are not consistent and missed a lot of opportunities already. With their current standing, its too early to celebrate because they should play their best on every game if they really want to be back in the finals again. Playing against SMC will be a big one for them, early on this conference and they have to play well and stop that drama focus more on their passing and shooting.

Actually, the most inconsistent of the team is Mikey Williams. He is now playing like a superstar but comes the playoffs, that will not be seen consistently and that will make their team fail again. Of course, they have to stop the drama, let them play and be professionals because this line up is capable of winning a championship again.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 28, 2023, 05:48:04 AM

Getting that point with Williams, it's true that each season he always have his drama maybe he's idolizing Kyrie, and he's doing the same pattern as how Kyrie is acting from NBA, but kidding aside, if he will continue acting like that and with coach Jolas it will be tough between the two, just hoping that they will be both act as pro and set the problem outside the court.

They've got a good start with a 2-0 on their team, but they will be tested once facing the SMC franchise. We all know that competition will start when super teams are against another super team.

TNT always have a good start and consider as one of the contender every season, its just that they are not consistent and missed a lot of opportunities already. With their current standing, its too early to celebrate because they should play their best on every game if they really want to be back in the finals again. Playing against SMC will be a big one for them, early on this conference and they have to play well and stop that drama focus more on their passing and shooting.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 27, 2023, 08:02:07 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on January 27, 2023, 06:59:01 PM

Quote from: Maslate on January 27, 2023, 07:03:00 AM

Great timing @Yamifoud. Mikey Williams took control and Pogoy has done some damage as well. The 1st half of the ROS are impressive, but on the 2nd half, they relied so much on their import and that resulted in their import getting tired, he has also missed important free throws so TNT are just fouling him since he is unstoppable when he drives the ball inside.

Great work by Mikey Williams. But did you guys hear the rumor that Mikey Williams is once again doing some diva attitude?

I don't know the exact details but it seems that TNT's issue with Williams won't end. At every conference, there's always news about Wiliams's sudden change of personality and behavior.

With Jolas Lastimosa as their coach and one of the people who criticized Williams before during its last shown of being a diva, expect that there will be a personal issue between these two.

He's the "Kyrie Irving" of PH doesn't he? Cheesy

An all-star player, but full of issues. Williams' sudden change of behavior started just after he won his first title in his first season in the bubble.

I just heard some news about this, but I ignored it completely maybe because I've had enough of it. He's been in the league for a few seasons and yet he's acting like that. I mean he's a great player, but to have many issues isn't good for either the player or the team.

Nevertheless, I thought that the ROS will get the victory yesterday, but the TNT made a comeback and stealing the victory. Like I said, one game isn't enough for the ROS import to be judged. He exploded for 35 points and 17 rebounds though they lost, but that's a huge jump of performance compare to his first game.

Getting that point with Williams, it's true that each season he always have his drama maybe he's idolizing Kyrie, and he's doing the same pattern as how Kyrie is acting from NBA, but kidding aside, if he will continue acting like that and with coach Jolas it will be tough between the two, just hoping that they will be both act as pro and set the problem outside the court.

They've got a good start with a 2-0 on their team, but they will be tested once facing the SMC franchise. We all know that competition will start when super teams are against another super team.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 27, 2023, 06:59:01 PM

Quote from: Maslate on January 27, 2023, 07:03:00 AM

Great timing @Yamifoud. Mikey Williams took control and Pogoy has done some damage as well. The 1st half of the ROS are impressive, but on the 2nd half, they relied so much on their import and that resulted in their import getting tired, he has also missed important free throws so TNT are just fouling him since he is unstoppable when he drives the ball inside.

Great work by Mikey Williams. But did you guys hear the rumor that Mikey Williams is once again doing some diva attitude?

I don't know the exact details but it seems that TNT's issue with Williams won't end. At every conference, there's always news about Wiliams's sudden change of personality and behavior.

With Jolas Lastimosa as their coach and one of the people who criticized Williams before during its last shown of being a diva, expect that there will be a personal issue between these two.

He's the "Kyrie Irving" of PH doesn't he? Cheesy

An all-star player, but full of issues. Williams' sudden change of behavior started just after he won his first title in his first season in the bubble.

I just heard some news about this, but I ignored it completely maybe because I've had enough of it. He's been in the league for a few seasons and yet he's acting like that. I mean he's a great player, but to have many issues isn't good for either the player or the team.

Nevertheless, I thought that the ROS will get the victory yesterday, but the TNT made a comeback and stealing the victory. Like I said, one game isn't enough for the ROS import to be judged. He exploded for 35 points and 17 rebounds though they lost, but that's a huge jump of performance compare to his first game.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 27, 2023, 07:03:00 AM

Great timing @Yamifoud. Mikey Williams took control and Pogoy has done some damage as well. The 1st half of the ROS are impressive, but on the 2nd half, they relied so much on their import and that resulted in their import getting tired, he has also missed important free throws so TNT are just fouling him since he is unstoppable when he drives the ball inside.

Great work by Mikey Williams. But did you guys hear the rumor that Mikey Williams is once again doing some diva attitude?

I don't know the exact details but it seems that TNT's issue with Williams won't end. At every conference, there's always news about Wiliams's sudden change of personality and behavior.

With Jolas Lastimosa as their coach and one of the people who criticized Williams before during its last shown of being a diva, expect that there will be a personal issue between these two.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 27, 2023, 07:03:00 AM

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 27, 2023, 06:00:48 AM

Great opportunity for TNT bettors.

They are down 13 points at the half, but you know this team is capable of making a huge comeback.
The ML now is 3.00 and the spread is +5.5, I guess this is worth taking IMO, I should take this and the moneyline.

Betting on over 94.5 for TNT and and over 194.5 total score. (INC OT)

Wow, you hit all your bets mate if you have taken all of the above, congrats.

What a huge run by TNT in the second half and suddenly ROS misfires, well that is all part of the game and it's just unfortunate that i'm betting the opposite hehe, should have trust TNT's talent more but i guess the instinct in me to bet for the underdogs is what makes me bet for ROS hehe.

Great timing @Yamifoud. Mikey Williams took control and Pogoy has done some damage as well. The 1st half of the ROS are impressive, but on the 2nd half, they relied so much on their import and that resulted in their import getting tired, he has also missed important free throws so TNT are just fouling him since he is unstoppable when he drives the ball inside.

TNT read the strategy of ROS very well, allowing him to take the ball and fouling him to bring in the FT line, Mikey Williams and Poguy are really a scoring machine for TNT they both have a good help, together with the rest of the entire squad they mange to win the game, it's a good start for the ROS but local players are the big difference.

If you are only relying that much on your import, it will backfire on you once started to show exhausted, missing shots or making turnover. It's really tough if local players are not really helping.

Congrats Kabayan Yamifoud!

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Quote from: Shamm on January 27, 2023, 10:46:38 AM

Local and import are doing great as we can see how the ball move and this is a good start for TNT now they have 2-0 which is pretty good but they need tp maintain the momentum as they will face the SMC team. For now what a play from TNT and also mikey willams and pugoy smd the rest of the team doing impressive. Congratulations for the bettors of TNT. And for ROS still they have a good run as we can see that thier import is very good in handling the ball when he drive he is unstoppable.

A good start for TNT, and they are playing very well with their import. Their next game will be the test of character for them as they face another big teams who are also eager to win. It will be hard to predict but the way TNT played for the past two games, I think they have a good chance here to win. Local players should help their import, and have a better plays, TNT can do this.

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