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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 06, 2023, 02:16:33 AM

Quote from: Questat on January 06, 2023, 01:23:31 AM

I've read an article today, and according to it, it will still be Nicholson who will be their import in game 4. Maybe that's the reason why the odds favored the Ginebra and they are now favored by -2.5 points. This is the first time where Ginebra was listed as the favorite, and we all know that game 4 is a very important game for the Bay Dragons as they need to win to even the series.

I have also read that Nicholson won't be playing today because of injury and they will not field Powell as their import so i think that is the reason on the shifting of the odds and this may be a bad sign for those who bet for the Bay Area Dragons as not fielding an import is a sign that they are conceding this early in the series.

Consider the series over already. Ginebra will win the title.

Nicholson will remain as their import but will not play in Game 4? I mean they are in a PBA Finals series, and you will not let any of your 2 imports play. If one of them can play, then at least let them play but they aren't doing it. That alone is a sign that the Dragons are raising the white flag. Anyway, Game 3 alone has many discrepancies and for them, it looks like the referees are favoring the Ginebra when it comes to fouls. Well, they've always been. Ooops!!! Tongue

This Finals series might be over in 5 games. I'm pretty sure the morale of the Dragons went down drastically after what happened in Game 3. They are very frustrated that even Powell and Blankley posted their feelings in social media, and they were fined because of it. For the Ginebra, it's a big achievement for them but for the Dragons, it's just a scrimmage series for them so why bother sacrificing their imports. That's what they are thinking right now.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 06, 2023, 02:16:33 AM

Quote from: Questat on January 06, 2023, 01:23:31 AM

I've read an article today, and according to it, it will still be Nicholson who will be their import in game 4. Maybe that's the reason why the odds favored the Ginebra and they are now favored by -2.5 points. This is the first time where Ginebra was listed as the favorite, and we all know that game 4 is a very important game for the Bay Dragons as they need to win to even the series.

I have also read that Nicholson won't be playing today because of injury and they will not field Powell as their import so i think that is the reason on the shifting of the odds and this may be a bad sign for those who bet for the Bay Area Dragons as not fielding an import is a sign that they are conceding this early in the series.

Thanks for the information, it's already official, I've read the news.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/andrew-nicholson-out-game-4-pba-commissioner-s-cup-finals-ankle-injury-ginebra-vs-bay-area-game-4-a2244-20230106

This isn't fun, so what are we expecting here? Will it be an easy win by the Gin Kings, or we will see an upset?

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Quote from: Questat on January 06, 2023, 01:23:31 AM

I've read an article today, and according to it, it will still be Nicholson who will be their import in game 4. Maybe that's the reason why the odds favored the Ginebra and they are now favored by -2.5 points. This is the first time where Ginebra was listed as the favorite, and we all know that game 4 is a very important game for the Bay Dragons as they need to win to even the series.

I have also read that Nicholson won't be playing today because of injury and they will not field Powell as their import so i think that is the reason on the shifting of the odds and this may be a bad sign for those who bet for the Bay Area Dragons as not fielding an import is a sign that they are conceding this early in the series.

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I've read an article today, and according to it, it will still be Nicholson who will be their import in game 4. Maybe that's the reason why the odds favored the Ginebra and they are now favored by -2.5 points. This is the first time where Ginebra was listed as the favorite, and we all know that game 4 is a very important game for the Bay Dragons as they need to win to even the series.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 05, 2023, 02:17:16 PM

As I look forward to Game 3, it went into a close game although the Dragons were able to up by a big margin.

Seriously, the Dragons should not cry out that loud on social media with regard to officiating. In the first place, they are the ones to blame for why they gave up their good lead. There should be no Ginebra rally if they didn't blew that game.

I feel their frustrations here as they lose their lead, and the game so probably this is their normal reaction to that. The best revenge is to do better in game 4 and don’t allow Ginebra to get closer for the championship. Bay Area should treat this as their do or die game, there’s a bad officiating during the game they should complain right away and not in the social media.

They have to be more professionals, Ginebra fans will really be mad because of this and if there’s a bad calls why not react on that instantly. Game 4 will be more crucial for them, they are not allowed to change their import anymore and with that, they should work more as a team. For sure Bay Area is more eager to bounce back here, which is another challenge for Ginebra to play better especially on taking the early lead because it will be hard if they will chase another huge lead again.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 05, 2023, 02:17:16 PM

As I look forward to Game 3, it went into a close game although the Dragons were able to up by a big margin.

Seriously, the Dragons should not cry out that loud on social media with regard to officiating. In the first place, they are the ones to blame for why they gave up their good lead. There should be no Ginebra rally if they didn't blew that game.

I feel their frustrations here as they lose their lead, and the game so probably this is their normal reaction to that. The best revenge is to do better in game 4 and don’t allow Ginebra to get closer for the championship. Bay Area should treat this as their do or die game, there’s a bad officiating during the game they should complain right away and not in the social media.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 05, 2023, 02:17:16 PM

As I look forward to Game 3, it went into a close game although the Dragons were able to up by a big margin.

Seriously, the Dragons should not cry out that loud on social media with regard to officiating. In the first place, they are the ones to blame for why they gave up their good lead. There should be no Ginebra rally if they didn't blew that game.

As per sports analyst, Quinito Henson, it's also worth noting that Ginebra has 57 2-point attempts in that game and that lead to more calls and a trip to the free throw line while on other hand, Dragons attempted more shot beyond the arc with 41 attempts on the 3-point area and we know that fouls aren't that present beyond the arc.

The Dragons just need to stay focused the whole next game.
They almost have that game but when Ginebra is doing some rally, their momentum got wrecked.

They are professional players they should not dwell in this kind of frustration, the series still on and they still have time to work and bounce back, that kind of gesture is not for professional players but for those who are playing from liga ng barrangay, I know the frustrations but they should not act that way.

Commissioner Marcial will be going to deal with them, and this controversy will be discussed. We will hear hopefully some updates regarding to this incident,.

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As I look forward to Game 3, it went into a close game although the Dragons were able to up by a big margin.

Seriously, the Dragons should not cry out that loud on social media with regard to officiating. In the first place, they are the ones to blame for why they gave up their good lead. There should be no Ginebra rally if they didn't blew that game.

As per sports analyst, Quinito Henson, it's also worth noting that Ginebra has 57 2-point attempts in that game and that lead to more calls and a trip to the free throw line while on other hand, Dragons attempted more shot beyond the arc with 41 attempts on the 3-point area and we know that fouls aren't that present beyond the arc.

The Dragons just need to stay focused the whole next game.
They almost have that game but when Ginebra is doing some rally, their momentum got wrecked.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on January 05, 2023, 06:02:12 AM

This is one of the reasons why I've lost interest in PBA and so are others. Unfair calls always happen, not to mention the farm teams. Like, PBA has become a joke. They knew they are losing fans but still, they keep on digging their own grave. Basketball from neighboring countries is getting better while PBA is getting worst. There's no hope for this league. We won't be seeing the glory they had back then.

We are noticing unfair calls but on my part, I don't lose my interest in watching PBA.

Since you are not following the league anymore, you missed some of the good games this conference from eliminations, and quarterfinals to Finals, and just stick with the officiating during the last game. Did you even watch Game 1 and Game 2? Can you point out some of the unfair calls last game?

Before, fans are accusing that PBA is strongly supporting the Bay Area Dragons over the local teams because of some advantages they give to them including having 2 available imports which Yeng Guiao even got surprised that it's allowed. I know that there are unfair calls in Game 3 but the Dragons shouldn't voice out that on social media but instead file a protest against the referees/officiating on that game. As a guest team and complying with the PBA rules, that was an unprofessional act and should be served with a corresponding fine.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 05, 2023, 08:10:53 AM

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 05, 2023, 07:35:33 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:03:36 AM

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

And with that crying over the officiating of game 3, coach Brian Goorjan of Bay Area Dragons was summoned by PBA commissioner Willy Marcial maybe to discuss or talk about his comments which were not good for the PBA while the PBA has also fined Powell and Blankley for their comment on the said officiating.

I'm betting for the Dragons but what they have done (crying on social media) will not do good on them and after watching the replay of the game 3 fourth quarter I would say that the calls were not too obvious against them, its just that they missed some crucial shots which could have put the Gin Kings away.

I'm beginning to think that Dragons is not appropriate as their moniker, Dragonfly may be appropriate for their action.

Haha, they cried because they think they can dominate the Gin Kings. They have a huge lead in game 3 but slowly Ginebra were able to come back. Their import is really good but he was limited in that game compared to his production in game 2. I also like to believe that the new import is not better than Nicholson and I would say we will have a close match again in game 4, as to the winner, let's guess.

Personally, i would prefer Powell over Nicholson as an import to the Dragons. Powell can shoot 3's and slash to the basket which is lacking in Nicholson's arsenal which explained why the Dragons only have 10 FT attempts in game 3 while the Kings have 38 attempts due largely to Brownlee's drive to the basket.

Did you also observe that when the score was tied at 79 with two minutes left, all attempts of the Dragons were from the rainbow area which is a low percentage shot and no 2-point FG attempt, hope the coaching staff would see that disparity and make adjustment in game 4.

Powell had not played against the Ginebra yet, so let's see if he can still be as good as he was when they are dominating other teams. Nicholson is a very dominant big man, he can shoot outside but he is mostly effective inside, but in that game Bay Area fell in love with their 3 point shooting which they were not able to make the right adjustment in the last minutes.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:43:16 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on January 05, 2023, 07:35:33 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:03:36 AM

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

And with that crying over the officiating of game 3, coach Brian Goorjan of Bay Area Dragons was summoned by PBA commissioner Willy Marcial maybe to discuss or talk about his comments which were not good for the PBA while the PBA has also fined Powell and Blankley for their comment on the said officiating.

I'm betting for the Dragons but what they have done (crying on social media) will not do good on them and after watching the replay of the game 3 fourth quarter I would say that the calls were not too obvious against them, its just that they missed some crucial shots which could have put the Gin Kings away.

I'm beginning to think that Dragons is not appropriate as their moniker, Dragonfly may be appropriate for their action.

Haha, they cried because they think they can dominate the Gin Kings. They have a huge lead in game 3 but slowly Ginebra were able to come back. Their import is really good but he was limited in that game compared to his production in game 2. I also like to believe that the new import is not better than Nicholson and I would say we will have a close match again in game 4, as to the winner, let's guess.

Personally, i would prefer Powell over Nicholson as an import to the Dragons. Powell can shoot 3's and slash to the basket which is lacking in Nicholson's arsenal which explained why the Dragons only have 10 FT attempts in game 3 while the Kings have 38 attempts due largely to Brownlee's drive to the basket.

Did you also observe that when the score was tied at 79 with two minutes left, all attempts of the Dragons were from the rainbow area which is a low percentage shot and no 2-point FG attempt, hope the coaching staff would see that disparity and make adjustment in game 4.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:43:16 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on January 05, 2023, 07:35:33 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:03:36 AM

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

And with that crying over the officiating of game 3, coach Brian Goorjan of Bay Area Dragons was summoned by PBA commissioner Willy Marcial maybe to discuss or talk about his comments which were not good for the PBA while the PBA has also fined Powell and Blankley for their comment on the said officiating.

I'm betting for the Dragons but what they have done (crying on social media) will not do good on them and after watching the replay of the game 3 fourth quarter I would say that the calls were not too obvious against them, its just that they missed some crucial shots which could have put the Gin Kings away.

I'm beginning to think that Dragons is not appropriate as their moniker, Dragonfly may be appropriate for their action.

Haha, they cried because they think they can dominate the Gin Kings. They have a huge lead in game 3 but slowly Ginebra were able to come back. Their import is really good but he was limited in that game compared to his production in game 2. I also like to believe that the new import is not better than Nicholson and I would say we will have a close match again in game 4, as to the winner, let's guess.

- Who would have thought that the Gin kings could still chase the Bay dragons, they knew it in the 2nd quarter, when the 3rd and 4th came, then the game revived the never say die spirit that Thompson and Brownlee had warmed up.

In this instance, the bay area dragons made a lot of missed shots which caused them to lose. I also think that the Ginebra Kings took advantage of why they are winning.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 05, 2023, 07:35:33 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:03:36 AM

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

And with that crying over the officiating of game 3, coach Brian Goorjan of Bay Area Dragons was summoned by PBA commissioner Willy Marcial maybe to discuss or talk about his comments which were not good for the PBA while the PBA has also fined Powell and Blankley for their comment on the said officiating.

I'm betting for the Dragons but what they have done (crying on social media) will not do good on them and after watching the replay of the game 3 fourth quarter I would say that the calls were not too obvious against them, its just that they missed some crucial shots which could have put the Gin Kings away.

I'm beginning to think that Dragons is not appropriate as their moniker, Dragonfly may be appropriate for their action.

Haha, they cried because they think they can dominate the Gin Kings. They have a huge lead in game 3 but slowly Ginebra were able to come back. Their import is really good but he was limited in that game compared to his production in game 2. I also like to believe that the new import is not better than Nicholson and I would say we will have a close match again in game 4, as to the winner, let's guess.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 05, 2023, 07:03:36 AM

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

And with that crying over the officiating of game 3, coach Brian Goorjan of Bay Area Dragons was summoned by PBA commissioner Willy Marcial maybe to discuss or talk about his comments which were not good for the PBA while the PBA has also fined Powell and Blankley for their comment on the said officiating.

I'm betting for the Dragons but what they have done (crying on social media) will not do good on them and after watching the replay of the game 3 fourth quarter I would say that the calls were not too obvious against them, its just that they missed some crucial shots which could have put the Gin Kings away.

I'm beginning to think that Dragons is not appropriate as their moniker, Dragonfly may be appropriate for their action.

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Game 4 betting odds are out now.
https://stake.com/sports/basketball/philippines/pba-commissioner-cup/43221242-bay-area-dragons-barangay-ginebra

Ginebra bettors, another chance to bet with good odds.
I think Nicholson won't be able to play, so Powell will have to replace and let's see if he would be able to take revenge for his team.

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Quote from: Natalim on January 05, 2023, 06:27:22 AM

Quote from: Shinpako09 on January 05, 2023, 06:02:12 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on January 05, 2023, 04:55:07 AM

Apparently, some of the Bay Area Dragon players voiced out their disappointment in twitter about the officiating of game 3.

Blankley and Powell are summoned by PBA for their comments on officiating. You can read the news in the link below.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/basketball/bay-area-s-blankley-powell-summoned-by-pba-for-comments-on-officiating/ar-AA15ZpeQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1586c138c5784b59b44029017745da3b

What are your comments about this? I was not able to watch the whole game so I cannot comment on this but would like to hear your thoughts about this.

This is one of the reasons why I've lost interest in PBA and so are others. Unfair calls always happen, not to mention the farm teams. Like, PBA has become a joke. They knew they are losing fans but still, they keep on digging their own grave. Basketball from neighboring countries is getting better while PBA is getting worst. There's no hope for this league. We won't be seeing the glory they had back then.

Even some PBA fans does not like some calls, well, obviously, PBA does not want the Bay Area Dragon to win the series because that will destroy their prime. Therefore, we should be smart when it comes to betting on this series, Ginebra should be the right call all the time, if you lose, just double it.

We have mixed reactions, some are criticizing the bay area players for being cry babies, while some agrees with their sentiment. They call it an 8 vs 5 game, that's 3 refs favoring the Gin Kings. But anyway, I think it's not totally dirty, Ginebra also have some great shots and good defense that's why they were able to come back.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on January 05, 2023, 06:02:12 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on January 05, 2023, 04:55:07 AM

Apparently, some of the Bay Area Dragon players voiced out their disappointment in twitter about the officiating of game 3.

Blankley and Powell are summoned by PBA for their comments on officiating. You can read the news in the link below.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/basketball/bay-area-s-blankley-powell-summoned-by-pba-for-comments-on-officiating/ar-AA15ZpeQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1586c138c5784b59b44029017745da3b

What are your comments about this? I was not able to watch the whole game so I cannot comment on this but would like to hear your thoughts about this.

This is one of the reasons why I've lost interest in PBA and so are others. Unfair calls always happen, not to mention the farm teams. Like, PBA has become a joke. They knew they are losing fans but still, they keep on digging their own grave. Basketball from neighboring countries is getting better while PBA is getting worst. There's no hope for this league. We won't be seeing the glory they had back then.

Even some PBA fans does not like some calls, well, obviously, PBA does not want the Bay Area Dragon to win the series because that will destroy their prime. Therefore, we should be smart when it comes to betting on this series, Ginebra should be the right call all the time, if you lose, just double it.

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Quote from: jakelyson on January 05, 2023, 04:55:07 AM

Apparently, some of the Bay Area Dragon players voiced out their disappointment in twitter about the officiating of game 3.

Blankley and Powell are summoned by PBA for their comments on officiating. You can read the news in the link below.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/basketball/bay-area-s-blankley-powell-summoned-by-pba-for-comments-on-officiating/ar-AA15ZpeQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1586c138c5784b59b44029017745da3b

What are your comments about this? I was not able to watch the whole game so I cannot comment on this but would like to hear your thoughts about this.

This is one of the reasons why I've lost interest in PBA and so are others. Unfair calls always happen, not to mention the farm teams. Like, PBA has become a joke. They knew they are losing fans but still, they keep on digging their own grave. Basketball from neighboring countries is getting better while PBA is getting worst. There's no hope for this league. We won't be seeing the glory they had back then.

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Apparently, some of the Bay Area Dragon players voiced out their disappointment in twitter about the officiating of game 3.

Blankley and Powell are summoned by PBA for their comments on officiating. You can read the news in the link below.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/sports/basketball/bay-area-s-blankley-powell-summoned-by-pba-for-comments-on-officiating/ar-AA15ZpeQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1586c138c5784b59b44029017745da3b

What are your comments about this? I was not able to watch the whole game so I cannot comment on this but would like to hear your thoughts about this.

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Quote from: harizen on January 04, 2023, 06:59:36 PM

Truly an intense game at the last minute and a thrilling performance done by the Kings during the 79-79 score.

High-flying Scottie Thompson's follow-up basket against Nicholson is really superb. The Dragon's import was left surprised that someone behind him was unexpectedly just come out of nowhere. After Thompson's follow-up basket, Malonzo's 3-points behind the arc turned the crowd crazy and that's it.

Able to bet on live betting and nailed this bet.

That last 3 point basket of Malonzo really brings that huge noise from the fans everywhere, a killer shot that gives them the comfort. I like how the team push everything though we all heard lots of rumors about the "Lutuan" but it's really a team effort that bring that win for the Gin kings, another good adjustment that really push the Dragons to take those wild shots instead of running with the system.

Dragons complain about physicality on my own take. It should not be broadcast like that, they needed to adjust to how the opponent payed them and they need to come up with a good counter to work with their system.

Let's wait how they will react in their next upcoming game.

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