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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 25, 2022, 09:28:46 PM

One of the reasons why Bay Area loss the game is because they are outrebounded by the Ginebra Kings.

The kind of defense of Ginebra is a championship defense, Bay Area should match that intensity, otherwise they will have no chance against the home team. It's only their import who are playing well, sure they can't win relying on their import heavily unlike the Gin Kings where everyone was contributing most especially on the defensive end.

Imagine this stats, 58 rebounds vs 35 rebounds for Bay Area.

Stats don't lie. Their main weapon which is their three points is a bit awful. 13/42 for 30%. In a finals game, it's awful especially if it's one of your main weapons in winning the game.

The intensity is just too much for the Dragons to handle. For them, it's like in NBA where they are facing the home team in a finals game. Well, the Ginebra can be considered a home team Cheesy

. They knew it in the eliminations that they will face a crowd like this. It's just it's too much for them and they don't have any answer for how Scottie is playing. His presence in the court greatly affects the Dragons especially on how he is getting offensive rebounds. He's just everywhere.

If only I put a bet yesterday, I won because it's 2.48 ML for the Ginebra IIRC. Game 2 is on the 28th. The question now is, will the Dragons use Powell if he's capable in playing. What will be the adjustments the Dragons will be doing coming into Game 2.

Just for context. 60 out of the 90 teams who won Game 1 in a PBA Finals come out to be victorious. Game 1 is always a huge game because that team will get the momentum.

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Quote from: jakelyson on December 26, 2022, 03:10:46 AM

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

As far as I know, Powell is already out of the conference that's why we should not at least expect his return. Even though it's reported that he is attending practice, he is not 100% capable to return on his best. If Dragons will be activated again next conference, it's good for them not to risk anything and just allow Nicholson to do his job.

I also like the action of both teams idling the ball at the last minute of the game with no such movements and just waiting instead for the final buzzer.

Too bad then, the Bay Area Dragon needs Powell the most in the finals. He is the scoring machine the Dragons need to overcome the hassle defense of Ginebra. I guess they have to make do with whatever Nicholson can bring to the table. It will depend on the coach to adjust their play to fully utilize Nicholson against Ginebra.

They had already utilize Nicholson, what they need to do is to let their locals contribute to the game like their usual stats during the regular season. The defense of Ginebra is very tight, if they will just rely heavily in 3 point shooting, then I guess I have to conclude that this series won't be a long one.

Quote from: jakelyson on December 26, 2022, 03:10:46 AM

Is there any confirmation that the Bay Area Dragons will be back next conference? I read before there was a plan to bring guest teams regularly, but I was not able to follow that news if it will push through. And if they do bring a guest team, it might not be the Dragon. It can be another team. They have to give their best now, they may not have another chance.

I think they will invite other teams next season, not next conference I believe.

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 26, 2022, 05:19:49 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on December 26, 2022, 05:04:51 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 26, 2022, 04:54:19 AM

Not sure about that, PBA announce it before that they will bring guest teams but for now they need to complete these finals and the upcoming FIBA engagements, might be possible that they are not bringing any updates yet regarding to this, but for sure if they have changes or if they will proceed to that original plan they will give updates.

I hope they do bring back guest teams after FIBA. And maybe they should bring just as strong as the dragons if not stronger. Having a strong guest team brings up the competitiveness of the Local teams. This also exposes the local team to a level of international competition. Maybe this program of the PBA could help our players reach a higher level in international competitions like FIBA or the Olympics.

With how things turn out, I believe PBA will bring guest teams as it's very successful. I mean, people are watching and PBA has become interesting again. ALso, with guess teams, our teams will learn a lot and they will also learn from us which will make us a better team especially in international competition.

Yes, this is the first time I witness that the crowd is really interested in watching the game. The number of attendance in game 1 is just insane, how much more if this series will reach game 7. More money for PBA the better because they probably have been losing money due to lack of interest from the fans, and due to other existing leagues that are already competing with the PBA.

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Quote from: jakelyson on December 26, 2022, 05:04:51 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 26, 2022, 04:54:19 AM

Not sure about that, PBA announce it before that they will bring guest teams but for now they need to complete these finals and the upcoming FIBA engagements, might be possible that they are not bringing any updates yet regarding to this, but for sure if they have changes or if they will proceed to that original plan they will give updates.

I hope they do bring back guest teams after FIBA. And maybe they should bring just as strong as the dragons if not stronger. Having a strong guest team brings up the competitiveness of the Local teams. This also exposes the local team to a level of international competition. Maybe this program of the PBA could help our players reach a higher level in international competitions like FIBA or the Olympics.

With how things turn out, I believe PBA will bring guest teams as it's very successful. I mean, people are watching and PBA has become interesting again. ALso, with guess teams, our teams will learn a lot and they will also learn from us which will make us a better team especially in international competition.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 26, 2022, 04:54:19 AM

Not sure about that, PBA announce it before that they will bring guest teams but for now they need to complete these finals and the upcoming FIBA engagements, might be possible that they are not bringing any updates yet regarding to this, but for sure if they have changes or if they will proceed to that original plan they will give updates.

I hope they do bring back guest teams after FIBA. And maybe they should bring just as strong as the dragons if not stronger. Having a strong guest team brings up the competitiveness of the Local teams. This also exposes the local team to a level of international competition. Maybe this program of the PBA could help our players reach a higher level in international competitions like FIBA or the Olympics.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 25, 2022, 09:28:46 PM

One of the reasons why Bay Area loss the game is because they are outrebounded by the Ginebra Kings.

The kind of defense of Ginebra is a championship defense, Bay Area should match that intensity, otherwise they will have no chance against the home team. It's only their import who are playing well, sure they can't win relying on their import heavily unlike the Gin Kings where everyone was contributing most especially on the defensive end.

Imagine this stats, 58 rebounds vs 35 rebounds for Bay Area.

I see the aggressiveness of Ginebra they are fighting for the ball and they are not letting Bay Area to gain that momentum with a kind of defense they are applying to them, I just saw a fb post not sure if it's legit or just a fan made where the coach of Bay area is blaming the refs quoting that there are actual fouls where the ref just let it go for Ginebra, might be a usual reaction if ever it was a fan created post no offense with how the Dragons play.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

As far as I know, Powell is already out of the conference that's why we should not at least expect his return. Even though it's reported that he is attending practice, he is not 100% capable to return on his best. If Dragons will be activated again next conference, it's good for them not to risk anything and just allow Nicholson to do his job.

I also like the action of both teams idling the ball at the last minute of the game with no such movements and just waiting instead for the final buzzer.

Too bad then, the Bay Area Dragon needs Powell the most in the finals. He is the scoring machine the Dragons need to overcome the hassle defense of Ginebra. I guess they have to make do with whatever Nicholson can bring to the table. It will depend on the coach to adjust their play to fully utilize Nicholson against Ginebra.

Is there any confirmation that the Bay Area Dragons will be back next conference? I read before there was a plan to bring guest teams regularly, but I was not able to follow that news if it will push through. And if they do bring a guest team, it might not be the Dragon. It can be another team. They have to give their best now, they may not have another chance.

Not sure about that, PBA announce it before that they will bring guest teams but for now they need to complete these finals and the upcoming FIBA engagements, might be possible that they are not bringing any updates yet regarding to this, but for sure if they have changes or if they will proceed to that original plan they will give updates.

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Quote from: goinmerry on December 25, 2022, 11:32:28 AM

Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

As far as I know, Powell is already out of the conference that's why we should not at least expect his return. Even though it's reported that he is attending practice, he is not 100% capable to return on his best. If Dragons will be activated again next conference, it's good for them not to risk anything and just allow Nicholson to do his job.

I also like the action of both teams idling the ball at the last minute of the game with no such movements and just waiting instead for the final buzzer.

Too bad then, the Bay Area Dragon needs Powell the most in the finals. He is the scoring machine the Dragons need to overcome the hassle defense of Ginebra. I guess they have to make do with whatever Nicholson can bring to the table. It will depend on the coach to adjust their play to fully utilize Nicholson against Ginebra.

Is there any confirmation that the Bay Area Dragons will be back next conference? I read before there was a plan to bring guest teams regularly, but I was not able to follow that news if it will push through. And if they do bring a guest team, it might not be the Dragon. It can be another team. They have to give their best now, they may not have another chance.

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Quote from: samcrypto on December 25, 2022, 06:35:45 PM

Winning with a huge lead against Bay Area tells a lot for Ginebra, that means they are really prepared for this finals and they can really beat Bay Area as long as they continue to play as a team. Winning the first game is always a good one, this can boost their confidence and I hope they can continue this momentum. Bay Area will bounce back and let’s see if Ginebra will allow then to do that. Waiting for the odds in game two, I will stick with Ginebra here.

Yes, coach Tim Cone and all of his players prepared for it. They've exerted a lot of effort for all of the BGSM players and that added the confidence for real. They're now more eager in beating the Dragons on game 2.

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Quote from: blockman on December 25, 2022, 04:21:59 PM

Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.

There was no heavy traffic in the entire Metro Manila yesterday, December 25. EDSA, C-5, Kalayaan, and other routes leading to MOA have smooth traffic. Honestly, at around 4 pm or 5 pm, it only took me 15 minutes to drive from Munoz footbridge to Guadalupe. That's how smooth EDSA was yesterday whether Northbound or Southbound up to the Pasay area where MOA is located.

That's around the time that you've seen it but after the game, families, friends and all of the fans that have watched the game, they've all struggled going home. So, the time you've seen there's no traffic, it's still early but past that, there goes the heavy built up in traffic that had pushed commuters to go to PITX.

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One of the reasons why Bay Area loss the game is because they are outrebounded by the Ginebra Kings.

The kind of defense of Ginebra is a championship defense, Bay Area should match that intensity, otherwise they will have no chance against the home team. It's only their import who are playing well, sure they can't win relying on their import heavily unlike the Gin Kings where everyone was contributing most especially on the defensive end.

Imagine this stats, 58 rebounds vs 35 rebounds for Bay Area.

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Quote from: goinmerry on December 24, 2022, 05:43:37 PM

I bet 17,000 audiences for Php 300 bet. The winner takes all. Cheesy

Cut-off time is 30 minutes before the game.

Just follow-up information that the live audience on that game reaches 18,000 gate attendance in Mall of Asia Arena.

Ginebra's charisma is currently in progress and it's even speculated that 95% of that gate attendance is from Ginebra fans. It might be true but for me, it's because the Finals are not just about Ginebra but they are currently representing the PBA and the country against the foreign team, Bay Area Dragons.

Quote from: blockman on December 25, 2022, 04:21:59 PM

Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.

There was no heavy traffic in the entire Metro Manila yesterday, December 25. EDSA, C-5, Kalayaan, and other routes leading to MOA have smooth traffic. Honestly, at around 4 pm or 5 pm, it only took me 15 minutes to drive from Munoz footbridge to Guadalupe. That's how smooth EDSA was yesterday whether Northbound or Southbound up to the Pasay area where MOA is located.

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Quote from: blockman on December 25, 2022, 06:23:29 PM

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Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.
Still, those that have enjoyed the game and saw Ginebra winning, it doesn't matter as you'll still feel the rush of the desire to see them win instead of going home having that lose. Tongue

As expected, Ginebra draws a first blood and many celebrates their Holidays watching this live.
Traffic was always be there though, regardless of the season. Anyway, Bay Area seems to be more intimidated this time and got disturbed by the crowd, if they want to get some win here then they should be able to adjust and play their best strategy against Ginebra. Congrats to those who are able to place their bet, game 2 will become more exciting.

I'm having that feeling that the 2nd game will be for Bay Area Dragons. But still, full support to the BGSM and this is going to be a big accomplishment for them.
Beating these heavy giants for the 1st game of the finals is really encouraging and adds more confidence to the team and of course, to the Never say Die fans and family.

Winning with a huge lead against Bay Area tells a lot for Ginebra, that means they are really prepared for this finals and they can really beat Bay Area as long as they continue to play as a team. Winning the first game is always a good one, this can boost their confidence and I hope they can continue this momentum. Bay Area will bounce back and let’s see if Ginebra will allow then to do that. Waiting for the odds in game two, I will stick with Ginebra here.

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Quote from: crzy on December 25, 2022, 04:53:04 PM

Quote from: blockman on December 25, 2022, 04:21:59 PM

Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.
Still, those that have enjoyed the game and saw Ginebra winning, it doesn't matter as you'll still feel the rush of the desire to see them win instead of going home having that lose. Tongue

As expected, Ginebra draws a first blood and many celebrates their Holidays watching this live.
Traffic was always be there though, regardless of the season. Anyway, Bay Area seems to be more intimidated this time and got disturbed by the crowd, if they want to get some win here then they should be able to adjust and play their best strategy against Ginebra. Congrats to those who are able to place their bet, game 2 will become more exciting.

I'm having that feeling that the 2nd game will be for Bay Area Dragons. But still, full support to the BGSM and this is going to be a big accomplishment for them.
Beating these heavy giants for the 1st game of the finals is really encouraging and adds more confidence to the team and of course, to the Never say Die fans and family.

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Quote from: blockman on December 25, 2022, 04:21:59 PM

Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.
Still, those that have enjoyed the game and saw Ginebra winning, it doesn't matter as you'll still feel the rush of the desire to see them win instead of going home having that lose. Tongue

As expected, Ginebra draws a first blood and many celebrates their Holidays watching this live.
Traffic was always be there though, regardless of the season. Anyway, Bay Area seems to be more intimidated this time and got disturbed by the crowd, if they want to get some win here then they should be able to adjust and play their best strategy against Ginebra. Congrats to those who are able to place their bet, game 2 will become more exciting.

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Congrats to the Ginebra fam for winning the first game of the series. Well, those that have watched the game live, those that were commuting experienced the traffic and rush holiday hour season.
Still, those that have enjoyed the game and saw Ginebra winning, it doesn't matter as you'll still feel the rush of the desire to see them win instead of going home having that lose. Tongue

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Quote from: harizen on December 25, 2022, 11:05:04 AM

Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

Same outcome during their game in the regular season, I guess Ginebra had already found a way to limit the 3 point shooting consistency of Bay Area. Well, can't be too confident since it's just a game 1, this is a best of 7 series, so it's sure a long one.

What the hell happened to Dragon's monster shooting percentage at the 3-point area? We called those kinds of shots as "baldog" here.

During the last 6-7 minutes of the last quarter, never even saw them trying to make a rally, and already gave up early which is supposed to be not their usual performance. As the commentators said, the Dragons are being overpowered by the Ginebra's experience playing in the Finals.

Ginebra's LA Tenorio, despite playing for limited minutes and a veteran role in the entire conference, heated up in the Finals when really needs. Well, he won't be achieved being a 4x Finals MVP for no reason.

Let's see the adjustments that the Dragons will do the next game.

That's too early to surrender the game, but seems that they can't really make a good run and the attempt for long-range shots is not falling for them, Gin kings rotations is effective in today's game as they really give a tough defense for the visiting team's scorers. Experienced wise, Gin kings show the effectiveness of playing with the system.

Adjustment is expected for the dragons else. Gin kings will not hesitate to dominate them. Like what I've said from my early replies, Gin kings have the height and speed to match up. The key for them today is the good defense and the aggressiveness of each player to help and make the system well-executed.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

As far as I know, Powell is already out of the conference that's why we should not at least expect his return. Even though it's reported that he is attending practice, he is not 100% capable to return on his best. If Dragons will be activated again next conference, it's good for them not to risk anything and just allow Nicholson to do his job.

I also like the action of both teams idling the ball at the last minute of the game with no such movements and just waiting instead for the final buzzer.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

Same outcome during their game in the regular season, I guess Ginebra had already found a way to limit the 3 point shooting consistency of Bay Area. Well, can't be too confident since it's just a game 1, this is a best of 7 series, so it's sure a long one.

What the hell happened to Dragon's monster shooting percentage at the 3-point area? We called those kinds of shots as "baldog" here.

During the last 6-7 minutes of the last quarter, never even saw them trying to make a rally, and already gave up early which is supposed to be not their usual performance. As the commentators said, the Dragons are being overpowered by the Ginebra's experience playing in the Finals.

Ginebra's LA Tenorio, despite playing for limited minutes and a veteran role in the entire conference, heated up in the Finals when really needs. Well, he won't be achieved being a 4x Finals MVP for no reason.

Let's see the adjustments that the Dragons will do the next game.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

I do not know if placing Powell this late in the conference will serve the Bay Area Dragon well. It might throw their rhythm right now. But I am with you, they need a consistent scorer right now and Powell can provide that to the Bay Area Dragons. He can score outside and also drive to the rim.

Congratulations to the backers of Ginebra. You win game 1. Scottie Thompson is everywhere. Shooting, blocking shots and rebounding the ball. The tight defense of Ginebra made it hard for the Bay Area Dragons to take their rhythm. They were able to limit the production of the Dragon from the three-point area. Let's see what adjustment the coach of Bay Area will do to counter the defense of Ginebra.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on December 25, 2022, 05:57:36 AM

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With 2 minutes left, it's money in the bag for Ginebra. Dragon's 3's were not falling for them as usual while Scottie Thompson doing the damage in the third. Hope the Dragons will adjust on the next game.

Same outcome during their game in the regular season, I guess Ginebra had already found a way to limit the 3 point shooting consistency of Bay Area. Well, can't be too confident since it's just a game 1, this is a best of 7 series, so it's sure a long one.

Yes, I didn't expect that actually as I was thinking they were able to make the right adjustment already.
Bay Area was leading in the 1st quarter and early 2nd quarter but once Ginebra took the lead, they already owned it like they know already what Bay Area will be doing.

Quote from: Botnake on December 25, 2022, 06:23:35 AM

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

We have to wait for the announcement, if he is already 100% healthy, then maybe we will see him playing, but in that way, they would also lose their dominance inside.

CONGRATULATIONS TO GINEBRA BETTERS, THEY ARE THE UNDERDOG, SO IT MAKES THE RESULT BETTER.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 25, 2022, 05:57:36 AM

edit:
With 2 minutes left, it's money in the bag for Ginebra. Dragon's 3's were not falling for them as usual while Scottie Thompson doing the damage in the third. Hope the Dragons will adjust on the next game.

Same outcome during their game in the regular season, I guess Ginebra had already found a way to limit the 3 point shooting consistency of Bay Area. Well, can't be too confident since it's just a game 1, this is a best of 7 series, so it's sure a long one.

What would happen in game 2? Are they going to play Powell already?

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