2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 242.

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Winding down.

Top 5 standing now.

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Only one team still remains undefeated which is the Magnolia Hotshots.

They'll be playing the Ginebra San Miguel this Sunday who came from a loss against the Phoenix, I think I found an opportunity here, of course I'm going to be on Ginebra as they always bounce back everytime they lose.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 21, 2022, 08:49:01 AM

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 21, 2022, 07:13:19 AM

What a devastating loss for Terrafirma against Bay Area, it looks like an exhibition match for Bay Area but those are pros.
I don't know what's happening with the system of Terrafirma but they have to address that if they want to stay with the league. Bay Area enjoys a big lead since the start of the game, they don't want to take this easily and the result was a very huge gap between the score. What's next for Terrafirma after this?

The loss of SMB against Converge is more devastating for me compared to Bay Area defeating TerraFirma.

I mean the outcome of TerraFirma-Bay Area is expected already and we can predict that they will lose to them. What I didn't expect is SMB losing to Converge by only 4 points. Now the SMB are 1-3 and they are at the bottom as well. We are almost at the halfway of the elimination already and just by looking at the standings, 4 of the top 8 teams consists of independent teams. I think it just shows that independent teams can still make ways to defeat these big companies even though they are getting talented players to them.

As for SMB, this is only my observation. SMB not that great when it is Commissioner's Cup and Governor's Cup but when it is Philippine Cup, they are dominating the league. Now with Fajardo gone for the remainder of the elimination, how will the SMB bounce back after having a 1-3 lose record.

It's surprising that SMB again being defeated by an independent team, like what you mentioned seems that they are not good in an import conference season, and now that Fajardo is out I'm not sure if how they can rally back to move up to the second round, observing them this conference it seems that they are not the same team who win the title last all-Filipino cup though it's given that without Fajardo the tempo of the game is far different compared with him inside.

I'll let this season be concluded if how SMB will handle their current position, as a fan I will just continue watching and enjoying the
game, win or lose, it's my team who's playing and giving the entertainment..

It's not over yet for SMB, they only loss twice, if they can make the right adjustment and start winning again, they'll still be in the playoffs, and probably by that time Fajardo will already be back fully healthy again. It's always the story with the SMB that once Fajardo is out, they'll really struggle, so it's not surprising.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 21, 2022, 07:46:51 AM

Quote from: Johnyz on October 21, 2022, 07:13:19 AM

What a devastating loss for Terrafirma against Bay Area, it looks like an exhibition match for Bay Area but those are pros.
I don't know what's happening with the system of Terrafirma but they have to address that if they want to stay with the league. Bay Area enjoys a big lead since the start of the game, they don't want to take this easily and the result was a very huge gap between the score. What's next for Terrafirma after this?

The loss of SMB against Converge is more devastating for me compared to Bay Area defeating TerraFirma.

I mean the outcome of TerraFirma-Bay Area is expected already and we can predict that they will lose to them. What I didn't expect is SMB losing to Converge by only 4 points. Now the SMB are 1-3 and they are at the bottom as well. We are almost at the halfway of the elimination already and just by looking at the standings, 4 of the top 8 teams consists of independent teams. I think it just shows that independent teams can still make ways to defeat these big companies even though they are getting talented players to them.

As for SMB, this is only my observation. SMB not that great when it is Commissioner's Cup and Governor's Cup but when it is Philippine Cup, they are dominating the league. Now with Fajardo gone for the remainder of the elimination, how will the SMB bounce back after having a 1-3 lose record.

It's surprising that SMB again being defeated by an independent team, like what you mentioned seems that they are not good in an import conference season, and now that Fajardo is out I'm not sure if how they can rally back to move up to the second round, observing them this conference it seems that they are not the same team who win the title last all-Filipino cup though it's given that without Fajardo the tempo of the game is far different compared with him inside.

I'll let this season be concluded if how SMB will handle their current position, as a fan I will just continue watching and enjoying the
game, win or lose, it's my team who's playing and giving the entertainment..

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 21, 2022, 07:13:19 AM

What a devastating loss for Terrafirma against Bay Area, it looks like an exhibition match for Bay Area but those are pros.
I don't know what's happening with the system of Terrafirma but they have to address that if they want to stay with the league. Bay Area enjoys a big lead since the start of the game, they don't want to take this easily and the result was a very huge gap between the score. What's next for Terrafirma after this?

The loss of SMB against Converge is more devastating for me compared to Bay Area defeating TerraFirma.

I mean the outcome of TerraFirma-Bay Area is expected already and we can predict that they will lose to them. What I didn't expect is SMB losing to Converge by only 4 points. Now the SMB are 1-3 and they are at the bottom as well. We are almost at the halfway of the elimination already and just by looking at the standings, 4 of the top 8 teams consists of independent teams. I think it just shows that independent teams can still make ways to defeat these big companies even though they are getting talented players to them.

As for SMB, this is only my observation. SMB not that great when it is Commissioner's Cup and Governor's Cup but when it is Philippine Cup, they are dominating the league. Now with Fajardo gone for the remainder of the elimination, how will the SMB bounce back after having a 1-3 lose record.

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Quote from: Johnyz on October 21, 2022, 07:13:19 AM

What a devastating loss for Terrafirma against Bay Area, it looks like an exhibition match for Bay Area but those are pros.
I don't know what's happening with the system of Terrafirma but they have to address that if they want to stay with the league. Bay Area enjoys a big lead since the start of the game, they don't want to take this easily and the result was a very huge gap between the score. What's next for Terrafirma after this?

They will keep losing because they don't have the roster to be competitive this season. It's necessary for them to make big changes next season, and learn from their mistakes so they will improve like the Blackwater. The spread was high going to that game, but it's not a problem for the Dragons as they easily covered it.

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What a devastating loss for Terrafirma against Bay Area, it looks like an exhibition match for Bay Area but those are pros.
I don't know what's happening with the system of Terrafirma but they have to address that if they want to stay with the league. Bay Area enjoys a big lead since the start of the game, they don't want to take this easily and the result was a very huge gap between the score. What's next for Terrafirma after this?

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 21, 2022, 06:54:54 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 21, 2022, 05:57:37 AM

SMB Beermen vs Converge at the moment and the Beermen is trying to catch up the lead of Converge, 57-70 is the score in favor of Converge. Looks like this game is in the bag for the Fiberxers.

SMB even led in the 4th quarter but they still could not win against the converge. What happened to the SMB, they used to be a good team, do they really miss JMF that hard? Bad bet for those who think SMB will win, close game but SMB still lose.

Yeah, they fall short this time, I think they need a better import because their imports production is even lower compared to the locals like CJ Perez and Tautuaa. Better luck next time again, it's still too early but we've seen already that they cannot win without JMF.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 21, 2022, 05:57:37 AM

SMB Beermen vs Converge at the moment and the Beermen is trying to catch up the lead of Converge, 57-70 is the score in favor of Converge. Looks like this game is in the bag for the Fiberxers.

SMB even led in the 4th quarter but they still could not win against the converge. What happened to the SMB, they used to be a good team, do they really miss JMF that hard? Bad bet for those who think SMB will win, close game but SMB still lose.

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Quote from: Shamm on October 20, 2022, 10:35:01 AM

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Quote from: Vaculin on October 20, 2022, 07:55:47 AM

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Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

You'll be surprise that SMB is not a heavy favorite now.

Betting odds are already out, SMB is only -1.5, so I guess you'll not miss that opportunity.
Also, Bay Area Dragons is -20.5, though it's high but against the worst team in the PBA, I think I'll take that spread.

Let's remember that on SMB's side, their best local player is out and a new import will be coming in so I think there will be some sort of chemistry problem at the beginning so i'll go with Converge ML @1.89, I consider this a semi-risky bet.

I agree with you mate on taking the spread for the Dragons as Dyip at the moment is in disarray as if they are playing in an amateur league and for sure the Dragons won't let their guards down so a 20-point spread is not hard to cover for a high scoring team like the Dragons.

Yes, you are right about that mate and for sure they need to do some adjustments to prevent such a loss again because like you said a star local player is out, and also a new import will be in thats a minor problem for the team as we all know that their import has a big role for the team and that's the reason why they need to do more adjustment from their playing technique and also building chemistry for the players as well.

Dyip was massacred by the Dragons mercilessly, a 54-point lead, was it a record in the PBA? Congrats to all who take the -20.5 Dragon bet, that was an easy win for us. Seems to me that in the Dragon's next game, the spread for them will go higher whoever their opponent will be because the bookies will refer this game where they demolished Dyip by a very wide margin.

SMB Beermen vs Converge at the moment and the Beermen is trying to catch up the lead of Converge, 57-70 is the score in favor of Converge. Looks like this game is in the bag for the Fiberxers.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 20, 2022, 08:11:22 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on October 20, 2022, 07:55:47 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on October 20, 2022, 06:56:57 AM

Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

You'll be surprise that SMB is not a heavy favorite now.

Betting odds are already out, SMB is only -1.5, so I guess you'll not miss that opportunity.
Also, Bay Area Dragons is -20.5, though it's high but against the worst team in the PBA, I think I'll take that spread.

Let's remember that on SMB's side, their best local player is out and a new import will be coming in so I think there will be some sort of chemistry problem at the beginning so i'll go with Converge ML @1.89, I consider this a semi-risky bet.

I agree with you mate on taking the spread for the Dragons as Dyip at the moment is in disarray as if they are playing in an amateur league and for sure the Dragons won't let their guards down so a 20-point spread is not hard to cover for a high scoring team like the Dragons.

Yes, you are right about that mate and for sure they need to do some adjustments to prevent such a loss again because like you said a star local player is out, and also a new import will be in thats a minor problem for the team as we all know that their import has a big role for the team and that's the reason why they need to do more adjustment from their playing technique and also building chemistry for the players as well.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 20, 2022, 08:56:03 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 19, 2022, 10:35:37 PM

It's a been a long while since they are in that same spot if I remember it right, this team don't have that capabilities to compete with super teams and they are not doing anything to change that fate, the selection that they've got is not enough beating an ordinary squad what more facing SMC and Pangilinan group? Though they are still in the league, but maybe you are right, the chance of leaving the league is possible to happen if there's no improvement coming from this team.

They've been the Bossing 2.0 while the former has become a good team recently and stepping up since they've got plans of getting out of being stuck at the lowest.
This team has to go with the same experience until they realize that there's a need to change everything. I commend the Bossings when they've made meetings and talked about how and what they must do to get out of their former bad situation in standings. But for Terrafirma, we don't know if they're realizing it now.

I think they already realize their mistakes as they are in a long losing streak already. Maybe they just don't have the players that knows how to win, they are not inspired because this team is just a farm team and they know if someone step up, eventually he will be sent to a good team and they will struggle again.

They need to make changes as soon as possible if they don't want to be at the bottom. But I doubt that they will act on it, it's quite late already and they have to just bear with the situation that they're having right now. Maybe, you're right that they're not inspired and already represented what the team is all about from what the PBA fans have said, like being a farm team and they've landed on it already and don't care about those criticisms.

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Quote from: blockman on October 20, 2022, 08:32:46 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on October 19, 2022, 10:35:37 PM

It's a been a long while since they are in that same spot if I remember it right, this team don't have that capabilities to compete with super teams and they are not doing anything to change that fate, the selection that they've got is not enough beating an ordinary squad what more facing SMC and Pangilinan group? Though they are still in the league, but maybe you are right, the chance of leaving the league is possible to happen if there's no improvement coming from this team.

They've been the Bossing 2.0 while the former has become a good team recently and stepping up since they've got plans of getting out of being stuck at the lowest.
This team has to go with the same experience until they realize that there's a need to change everything. I commend the Bossings when they've made meetings and talked about how and what they must do to get out of their former bad situation in standings. But for Terrafirma, we don't know if they're realizing it now.

I think they already realize their mistakes as they are in a long losing streak already. Maybe they just don't have the players that knows how to win, they are not inspired because this team is just a farm team and they know if someone step up, eventually he will be sent to a good team and they will struggle again.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 19, 2022, 10:35:37 PM

It's a been a long while since they are in that same spot if I remember it right, this team don't have that capabilities to compete with super teams and they are not doing anything to change that fate, the selection that they've got is not enough beating an ordinary squad what more facing SMC and Pangilinan group? Though they are still in the league, but maybe you are right, the chance of leaving the league is possible to happen if there's no improvement coming from this team.

They've been the Bossing 2.0 while the former has become a good team recently and stepping up since they've got plans of getting out of being stuck at the lowest.
This team has to go with the same experience until they realize that there's a need to change everything. I commend the Bossings when they've made meetings and talked about how and what they must do to get out of their former bad situation in standings. But for Terrafirma, we don't know if they're realizing it now.

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Quote from: Vaculin on October 20, 2022, 07:55:47 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on October 20, 2022, 06:56:57 AM

Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

You'll be surprise that SMB is not a heavy favorite now.

Betting odds are already out, SMB is only -1.5, so I guess you'll not miss that opportunity.
Also, Bay Area Dragons is -20.5, though it's high but against the worst team in the PBA, I think I'll take that spread.

Not surprising, Fajardo is out and SMB lose on Dragons so most maybe many of PBA fans think that they are not strong especially their main star is out on the rooster. It's good to try to bet on SMB since even if they are not the crowd favorite at the moment still they have great piece which they can use if their coach know there guys and what they can contribute to their team.

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Quote from: Vaculin on October 20, 2022, 07:55:47 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on October 20, 2022, 06:56:57 AM

Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

You'll be surprise that SMB is not a heavy favorite now.

Betting odds are already out, SMB is only -1.5, so I guess you'll not miss that opportunity.
Also, Bay Area Dragons is -20.5, though it's high but against the worst team in the PBA, I think I'll take that spread.

Let's remember that on SMB's side, their best local player is out and a new import will be coming in so I think there will be some sort of chemistry problem at the beginning so i'll go with Converge ML @1.89, I consider this a semi-risky bet.

I agree with you mate on taking the spread for the Dragons as Dyip at the moment is in disarray as if they are playing in an amateur league and for sure the Dragons won't let their guards down so a 20-point spread is not hard to cover for a high scoring team like the Dragons.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 20, 2022, 06:56:57 AM

Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

You'll be surprise that SMB is not a heavy favorite now.

Betting odds are already out, SMB is only -1.5, so I guess you'll not miss that opportunity.
Also, Bay Area Dragons is -20.5, though it's high but against the worst team in the PBA, I think I'll take that spread.

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Tomorrow we have SMB vs Converge, I'm leaning on the SMB here as I believe they will bounce back from the embarrassing loss against the Dragons.

I'm still waiting for the betting odds but I'm sure SMB will be the favorite here, hopefully not the heavy favorite so I will be tempted more to bet on them. By the way, the first game are DYIP and Bay Area Dragons, I know it will be boring that's why I didn't tough it.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 20, 2022, 12:56:02 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on October 19, 2022, 03:53:51 AM

Just be mindful since anything can happen just like how bossing upset SMB, who knows, maybe the next thing we see it's DYIP time to upset a super team..

I still remember how Blackwater got their first win after 29 game losing streak. It was against Magnolia on their last game as well in that conference and they won by just a point.

Anything can happen in basketball. Who would've thought that Ginebra lost twice against independent teams right now. Who would've thought that Blackwater will win against SMB. I mean let's expect the unexpected like how crypto is moving Cheesy

. I just hope that TerraFirma will at least get one win this conference and not break the losing streak of BlackWater.

Adding to that hype I also remember that it was Mags who's on the top from that season and the upset gave them their first loss during the elimination, As like what I have said, there's always an upset that we don't know when will take place, Bossing beats SMB remember? a game that really impresses those who watch that game, it was a determination that gave them the win.

It was still fresh, the game was controlled by SMB in the early quarters, it was on the fourth when Bossing start the rally and managed to overrun the last season champ.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 19, 2022, 03:02:48 AM

The game between Meralco and Phoenix, it was Phoenix who are controlling the game so far.
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The Phoenix win against the Meralco 89-82.
To sum it up, NLEX also won against their sister team, TNT.

I will not be surprised if Meralco will change imports right now because it seems like O'Bryant is not that efficient. He only got 7 points and 16 rebounds in 46 minutes of playing and only 2/17 shooting. For an import, it's an awful performance and for sure many fans will agree with that. Now the Meralco are at the bottom of the standings right now and if I'm Coach Norman Black, I'll be thinking of replacing O'Bryant and find another import.

Quote from: Fredomago on October 19, 2022, 03:53:51 AM

Just be mindful since anything can happen just like how bossing upset SMB, who knows, maybe the next thing we see it's DYIP time to upset a super team..

I still remember how Blackwater got their first win after 29 game losing streak. It was against Magnolia on their last game as well in that conference and they won by just a point.

Anything can happen in basketball. Who would've thought that Ginebra lost twice against independent teams right now. Who would've thought that Blackwater will win against SMB. I mean let's expect the unexpected like how crypto is moving Cheesy

. I just hope that TerraFirma will at least get one win this conference and not break the losing streak of BlackWater.

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