2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 310.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 02, 2022, 06:23:55 AM

Congrats SMB bettors, another easy win.

I think Moneyline odds are not that catchy for SMB in pre-game.

Handicap odds for SMB are just around 1.8 so if my thinking is correct, ML odds for SMB are playing at about 1.5-1.6, or who else able to place a bet on them?

Northport sucks. They destroy my handicap. They are able to make the game close the entire game until falls out and becomes not consistent in the 4th Quarter. They even have a chance to beat SMB even if JuneMar Fajardo is playing well if only they maintain that good performance until the end.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 02, 2022, 06:23:55 AM

Another big win by SMB, it's a 4th quarter dominant performance by the team and they beat the Northport by 16 points.

This is probably the best offensive game of JMF since he scored 21 points in this game, and has a very decent shooting percentage with 9-11.

Congrats SMB bettors, another easy win.

I was not able to put my bet on that game, but if I would, I'd certainly bet on the SMB to win. That's a big win by the SMB, scores are tied after the 3rd quarter but SMB outscored the NP by 16 points in the 4th with a 40-24 score.

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Another big win by SMB, it's a 4th quarter dominant performance by the team and they beat the Northport by 16 points.

This is probably the best offensive game of JMF since he scored 21 points in this game, and has a very decent shooting percentage with 9-11.

Congrats SMB bettors, another easy win.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 01, 2022, 04:29:21 AM

And we have Williams who produced 31 points, the best player.

Proving that the money that is being paid for him is the worth of his game. This man is unstoppable and his demand deserves to be credited. I see more winning games for TNT especially when coach Chot allows Williams to take charge, something that reminds me on how Alapag allows Castro to lead even he and De Ocampo are still playing they let Castro bring his game to the hype and lead the team in terms of offensive attacks.

The same way how he allows Williams to create his own play, we see isolations and letting Williams to take the ball in most time.

Honestly, right now, I see him as the best player in the PBA. Fajardo is not anymore on his prime IMO so I think it's already Mikey Williams who is the best player in the PBA and TNT are so lucky having him.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 01, 2022, 04:29:21 AM

And we have Williams who produced 31 points, the best player.

Proving that the money that is being paid for him is the worth of his game. This man is unstoppable and his demand deserves to be credited. I see more winning games for TNT especially when coach Chot allows Williams to take charge, something that reminds me on how Alapag allows Castro to lead even he and De Ocampo are still playing they let Castro bring his game to the hype and lead the team in terms of offensive attacks.

The same way how he allows Williams to create his own play, we see isolations and letting Williams to take the ball in most time.

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Winding down.

Quote from: Sanitough on July 01, 2022, 06:38:34 AM

Quote from: Japinat on July 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

We are now in the 2nd game of the night, it's Ginebra vs Converge, and the game very close.

Half time score is 50-45, Ginebra with 5 points lead.
2nd half is going to be Ginebra for sure, maybe we will again see the same scenario like what TNT did in the first game.

Ginebra was only -5.5 or -6.5 in this game IIRC, so that bet has now a good chance to win.

Ginebra is still leading by double digit, they have a big run in the 3rd quarter but slowly Converge have come back. I think they will win and cover the spread because they are controlling this game and we all know that Ginebra is a good 4th quarter team.

They won the game and clearly cover the spread.

The game ended with 105-89 score, which means Ginebra won by 16 points, it's a dominant win by the Ginebra Kings and Converge suffer a bad loss again after getting dominated by the SMB in their previous game.

Thompson was their leading scorer with 24 points and followed by Aguilar with 20 points.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 01, 2022, 05:51:11 AM

We are now in the 2nd game of the night, it's Ginebra vs Converge, and the game very close.

Half time score is 50-45, Ginebra with 5 points lead.
2nd half is going to be Ginebra for sure, maybe we will again see the same scenario like what TNT did in the first game.

Ginebra was only -5.5 or -6.5 in this game IIRC, so that bet has now a good chance to win.

Ginebra is still leading by double digit, they have a big run in the 3rd quarter but slowly Converge have come back. I think they will win and cover the spread because they are controlling this game and we all know that Ginebra is a good 4th quarter team.

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We are now in the 2nd game of the night, it's Ginebra vs Converge, and the game very close.

Half time score is 50-45, Ginebra with 5 points lead.
2nd half is going to be Ginebra for sure, maybe we will again see the same scenario like what TNT did in the first game.

Ginebra was only -5.5 or -6.5 in this game IIRC, so that bet has now a good chance to win.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 01, 2022, 03:28:13 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 08:03:04 AM

The 2nd game is getting entertaining to watch, I though that this game would be boring because Phoenix struggle big time to score in the 1st quarter, but now we are already in the 3rd quarter and the game is very close already, in fact, I think Phoenix has a good chance of winning the game because they have the momentum here.

That game was very unpredictable, Phoenix supposes to win the game but they allow the NLEX to come back and bring the game into OT. Too bad for the Phoenix because they are already short-handed but they also got Wright and Anthony fouled out in the game, so these two were not available in the extra regulation.

Yeah, I saw that game, that was a classic game, it's the PBA game that I like to see, a close game and a game that went to OT, it's very entertaining in short.

Meanwhile, the first game today was also entertaining, TNT beat the DYIP with their big run in the 2nd half alone, this team is scary.

35-19, 30-19, that's for the 2nd half alone.

And we have Williams who produced 31 points, the best player.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 30, 2022, 08:03:04 AM

The 2nd game is getting entertaining to watch, I though that this game would be boring because Phoenix struggle big time to score in the 1st quarter, but now we are already in the 3rd quarter and the game is very close already, in fact, I think Phoenix has a good chance of winning the game because they have the momentum here.

That game was very unpredictable, Phoenix supposes to win the game but they allow the NLEX to come back and bring the game into OT. Too bad for the Phoenix because they are already short-handed but they also got Wright and Anthony fouled out in the game, so these two were not available in the extra regulation.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 30, 2022, 11:15:09 AM

Quote from: blockman on June 30, 2022, 10:35:19 AM

It's actually career and business and that's why who offers the best, that's where the best players will go. While the other teams, become farm teams.
I think there should be a revamp on the way on how they balance the teams and it should be the commissioners should step on it and make a way to also help those weak teams.

Players always dream to play with a decent team at first they will agree to play to any team inside the league but once opportunity comes and big franchise offers them a contract, they will not hesitate to take it and change their uniforms, it's more on the money side and if the league continue to play this way, there's nothing change to expect but to continue to see the dominance of these two big team owners,.

Remember, Shell, Sta.Lucia,Tanduay, Air21, Powerade and lately Alaska all are good and competitive teams before

but they choose to leave the league for whatever reason they may have but those are the days.. Roll Eyes

It's because they see the politics and there's no balance anymore. The problem is with the commissioners that still believe that they're on the right path in doing things and business. The good thing here is that PBA is already established but once another league emerges and most fans are already there and players transferring there, they know that it's like a sinking boat already.

Quote from: chaser15 on June 30, 2022, 04:59:50 PM

Like what kind of revamp? Top teams like SMC and MVP are complying with the trade rules.

The Commissioner has the right to approve a trade but if the negotiation between teams and players both agreed, they can't just void the trade since what if the player really likes to accept the offer. Maybe the revamp should be to make everything balanced, involve a trade between players that really makes sense to trade, and not they will say it's fair.

For example, the time SMB got CJ Perez. I think at that time, SMB traded away some of their players that were not even used much and the PBA still called it a fair trade. That's where the influence of these top teams happened.

Yes, the revamp to balance each team. But the problem is all about the money that sometimes dominant teams have while the weak teams aren't willing to invest more for their better rosters.

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Talking about the balance in the league, it might not happen now and we won't be able to see the glory days when almost all teams are competitive. I know teams on the bottom tier can also give a good contract but what's the sense of spending too much on their teams if only a few good talents are available.

It's not about teams who have the ability to give contracts but how many players in the league are doing competitive performance currently? That's the reason why most of these players are in top companies. If only there are lots of rising stars in the league, more talents will be spread out like the classic days when even top teams can't just sign good players as there are lots of talents around.

The only time we can see these mid to low-tier teams competing in the Semis or Finals is during Governors Cup and Commissioners Cup. I hope some mid-tier teams can sign an import with the likes of KJ McDaniels who was able to lift a mid-term team last conference. Unfortunately, personal problems occur and we never see his team where would they supposed to end up at the last conference.

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Quote from: blockman on June 30, 2022, 10:35:19 AM

It's actually career and business and that's why who offers the best, that's where the best players will go. While the other teams, become farm teams.
I think there should be a revamp on the way on how they balance the teams and it should be the commissioners should step on it and make a way to also help those weak teams.

Like what kind of revamp? Top teams like SMC and MVP are complying with the trade rules.

The Commissioner has the right to approve a trade but if the negotiation between teams and players both agreed, they can't just void the trade since what if the player really likes to accept the offer. Maybe the revamp should be to make everything balanced, involve a trade between players that really makes sense to trade, and not they will say it's fair.

For example, the time SMB got CJ Perez. I think at that time, SMB traded away some of their players that were not even used much and the PBA still called it a fair trade. That's where the influence of these top teams happened.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 30, 2022, 11:15:09 AM

Quote from: blockman on June 30, 2022, 10:35:19 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on June 29, 2022, 11:02:33 PM

Who's to blame that PBA is not balanced? Is it because of the dominance of SMC teams? MVP teams? I do not agree with that.

The problem is, that other teams are not even doing their best to become better teams. It's because of the inability to provide competitive salaries. CJ Perez, Terence Romeo, Matt-Ganuellas Rosser, Christian Standhardinger any other players that come from the bottom team, find good salaries at SMC or MVP teams. We can't blame these companies if they afford to offer a good contract to these players.

Players are for career enhancement. "PUSO" and loyalty are not applicable to most players as the goal is to make money out of their profession as that also serves as their source of income. Not all the time they can play basketball so as much as possible if there's an offer coming from big companies, they will consider accepting it right away.

It's actually career and business and that's why who offers the best, that's where the best players will go. While the other teams, become farm teams.
I think there should be a revamp on the way on how they balance the teams and it should be the commissioners should step on it and make a way to also help those weak teams.

Players always dream to play with a decent team at first they will agree to play to any team inside the league but once opportunity comes and big franchise offers them a contract, they will not hesitate to take it and change their uniforms, it's more on the money side and if the league continue to play this way, there's nothing change to expect but to continue to see the dominance of these two big team owners,.

Remember, Shell, Sta.Lucia, Tanduay, Air21, Powerade, and lately Alaska all are good and competitive teams before

but they choose to leave the league for whatever reason they may have but those are the days. Roll Eyes

Other players, they based on the practical life and this is what happens for example if a good player drafted in pba there's no choice at but to play in what team they draft but if some or other team saw a potential of that specific player for sure they want to convince that player to play with them so they offer a good amount of money, then that player has a practical thinking for sure they are willing to play with the new team who offer him a big amount rather than his old team offer a small one. And that's what life goes on.

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Quote from: blockman on June 30, 2022, 10:35:19 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on June 29, 2022, 11:02:33 PM

Who's to blame that PBA is not balanced? Is it because of the dominance of SMC teams? MVP teams? I do not agree with that.

The problem is, that other teams are not even doing their best to become better teams. It's because of the inability to provide competitive salaries. CJ Perez, Terence Romeo, Matt-Ganuellas Rosser, Christian Standhardinger any other players that come from the bottom team, find good salaries at SMC or MVP teams. We can't blame these companies if they afford to offer a good contract to these players.

Players are for career enhancement. "PUSO" and loyalty are not applicable to most players as the goal is to make money out of their profession as that also serves as their source of income. Not all the time they can play basketball so as much as possible if there's an offer coming from big companies, they will consider accepting it right away.

It's actually career and business and that's why who offers the best, that's where the best players will go. While the other teams, become farm teams.
I think there should be a revamp on the way on how they balance the teams and it should be the commissioners should step on it and make a way to also help those weak teams.

Players always dream to play with a decent team at first they will agree to play to any team inside the league but once opportunity comes and big franchise offers them a contract, they will not hesitate to take it and change their uniforms, it's more on the money side and if the league continue to play this way, there's nothing change to expect but to continue to see the dominance of these two big team owners,.

Remember, Shell, Sta.Lucia,Tanduay, Air21, Powerade and lately Alaska all are good and competitive teams before

but they choose to leave the league for whatever reason they may have but those are the days.. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 29, 2022, 11:02:33 PM

Who's to blame that PBA is not balanced? Is it because of the dominance of SMC teams? MVP teams? I do not agree with that.

The problem is, that other teams are not even doing their best to become better teams. It's because of the inability to provide competitive salaries. CJ Perez, Terence Romeo, Matt-Ganuellas Rosser, Christian Standhardinger any other players that come from the bottom team, find good salaries at SMC or MVP teams. We can't blame these companies if they afford to offer a good contract to these players.

Players are for career enhancement. "PUSO" and loyalty are not applicable to most players as the goal is to make money out of their profession as that also serves as their source of income. Not all the time they can play basketball so as much as possible if there's an offer coming from big companies, they will consider accepting it right away.

It's actually career and business and that's why who offers the best, that's where the best players will go. While the other teams, become farm teams.
I think there should be a revamp on the way on how they balance the teams and it should be the commissioners should step on it and make a way to also help those weak teams.

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The 2nd game is getting entertaining to watch, I though that this game would be boring because Phoenix struggle big time to score in the 1st quarter, but now we are already in the 3rd quarter and the game is very close already, in fact, I think Phoenix has a good chance of winning the game because they have the momentum here.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on June 30, 2022, 06:37:03 AM

What a thrilling game we witnessed in the first game.

Again, Blackwater had a good game and they were able to beat the Meralco by 1 point only.
They always choke but good thing they still manage to win the game.

Congrats blackwater, 89-90 was the final score.

They are a legit team this season, beating the Merlco Bolts is not easy but they were able to do it. Their ranking is good now, maybe they will get the twice to beat advantage once the elimination will start, and I'm sure right now the organization are already happy with what Blackwater has already achieve.

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What a thrilling game we witnessed in the first game.

Again, Blackwater had a good game and they were able to beat the Meralco by 1 point only.
They always choke but good thing they still manage to win the game.

Congrats blackwater, 89-90 was the final score.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 29, 2022, 11:02:33 PM

Who's to blame that PBA is not balanced? Is it because of the dominance of SMC teams? MVP teams? I do not agree with that.

The problem is, that other teams are not even doing their best to become better teams. It's because of the inability to provide competitive salaries. CJ Perez, Terence Romeo, Matt-Ganuellas Rosser, Christian Standhardinger any other players that come from the bottom team, find good salaries at SMC or MVP teams. We can't blame these companies if they afford to offer a good contract to these players.

Players are for career enhancement. "PUSO" and loyalty are not applicable to most players as the goal is to make money out of their profession as that also serves as their source of income. Not all the time they can play basketball so as much as possible if there's an offer coming from big companies, they will consider accepting it right away.

I think even in NBA, teams that do not offer competitive salaries might not even land in a good position. And it just so happen that SMB is dominating because they pay good salary. I think for it to be competitive, other teams should spend a good amount and then have a good coaching staff, in short it should be a holistic approach in the game. And this what separates great teams from others.

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