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Quote from: Maslate on April 11, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 11, 2022, 03:47:55 PM

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

I've seen that many times that's why we need to be diligent when it comes to putting our bet, always analyze carefully the line offered as it could just be a trap from the smart bookmakers.

Quote from: Maslate on April 11, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

Just like what SMB did few seasons back, they were able to win a championship after being down by 3-1 in the series, however, there's fajardo that time and I think it's an all Filipino cup. Here, we have player imports, if one import will struggle, then that's a big advantage on the opposing team.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 11, 2022, 03:47:55 PM

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 11, 2022, 07:33:34 AM

The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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Such adjustment that being done by coach Norman Black, the two coaches are very familiar with each other and I'm not going to be surprise also if we will see much dominant Ginebra coming this game 4, The defense is too tight for Brownlee and that's the courtesy of having Hodge who's more on winning the game instead of taking care of his personal stats.

But we can also expect explosions from Ginebra's locals. They are also unpredictable once the heat starts to fire up.

Another game to watch if who's going to dominate, either Ginebra will tie it up or Meralco will have a two game leads. Cool

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 11, 2022, 07:33:34 AM

The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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Such adjustment that being done by coach Norman Black, the two coaches are very familiar with each other and I'm not going to be surprise also if we will see much dominant Ginebra coming this game 4, The defense is too tight for Brownlee and that's the courtesy of having Hodge who's more on winning the game instead of taking care of his personal stats.

But we can also expect explosions from Ginebra's locals. They are also unpredictable once the heat starts to fire up.

Another game to watch if who's going to dominate, either Ginebra will tie it up or Meralco will have a two game leads. Cool

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 08:53:12 AM

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Yes, SMB has done that before against Alaska and the turning point of that series is when June Mar Fajardo returns on that series.

Different from Ginebra as I don't consider a Japeth-less Ginebra should struggle against Meralco.

Totally agree mate. Justin Brownlee is the key for the GSM comeback on this series. Tim Cone is a very smart coach and he already beat Norman Black before on there previous championship match. GSM players is always relying to JB. When JB performance is good then his teammates show good performance too and vice versa. I don’t know what’s the problem they encounter they show weakness after there 1st quarter lead until they failed to recover. I almost thought GSM will get the lead after there 1st quarter performance.

They were not able to sustain their dominance, Brownlee was defended well in the 2nd half, the reason why his production is lower compared to game 2. Japeth Aguilar's defense will be missed, unlike the Bolts who have Almazan and Hodge doing some pretty good job defending brownlee too.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Of course, they should try to win the next game as being down to a 3-1 deficit is a difficult challenge.

They slow down after the halftime and I don't know what happened. Instead of Meralco being slow down as they are behind with several points, it's Ginebra who loses their momentum then eventually Meralco is able to bounce back. Ginebra choked on that game.

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I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Yes, SMB has done that before against Alaska and the turning point of that series is when June Mar Fajardo returns on that series.

Different from Ginebra as I don't consider a Japeth-less Ginebra should struggle against Meralco.

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Yes and that's the reason why I think that this is really going to be reaching the series up to game 7. Well, that's what probably most of us really want to happen.
The longer it is, the exciting for the fans. But for these teams, it's going to be more crucial and exhausting for them so it's not just going to be a physical match but also a mental game which is draining.

They are used to having a game 7, Ginebra is more experience because they have lots of veterans on their roster. Joe Devance is now activated to match up the size of Meralco and somehow he contributed. This is a chess game, every team will adjust every time they lose a game, and expect an adjustment coming from Meralco in game 3.

That is for sure because they're going to be in the tough scenario especially if they become tie at 3-3. I'm guessing that it's going to happen at that point because that's the usual thing in the finals.
Yeah, a chess game and each piece of them is going to play important role and it's also a mind game for their respective coaches. That's what it is all about then depending on the tactics and counters of them.

Since today is Sunday, the venue might be sold out already and you will see a lot of Ginebra fans cheering for their team. Therefore, I believe that Ginebra will take the lead after the game tonight, but the next game will be Meralco which will even the series to make it a 2-2 series score. Actually, if Meralco will do a great job on Brownlee, their chance might increase because they are moving the ball well compared to the Ginebra IMO.

It really was sold out and a record breaking. PBA has announced the huge crowd that they've got this Sunday. With your speculation, you've got it wrong.
Meralco got it and maybe the game on Wednesday is going to be Ginebra's. Well, still going to have a long weekend so that Wednesday game could get a lot of crowd too.

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

Meralco didn’t dominate the game though, they are still struggling to take the lead and good thing here most of the free throws of Ginbera are off, and since Meralco really wants to win they are able to do so. This is not a surprise anymore, maybe I just expect more from Ginebra and thought that the Momentum is with them but the result is different. They should bounce back in next game because if Meralco wins again in game 4, it will he hard for Ginebra to win again.

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

3-1 Lead for Meralco is possible and yes Ginebra should do everything to avoid this, it will be hard for them if ever. I didn’t expect Ginebra to lose since they are doing great at first and even have a good lead but then again in the last quarter, good things happened on the side of Meralco. I’ll just bet again with Ginebra, this is their best chance to bounce back.

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

Meralco didn’t dominate the game though, they are still struggling to take the lead and good thing here most of the free throws of Ginbera are off, and since Meralco really wants to win they are able to do so. This is not a surprise anymore, maybe I just expect more from Ginebra and thought that the Momentum is with them but the result is different. They should bounce back in next game because if Meralco wins again in game 4, it will he hard for Ginebra to win again.

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 08:53:12 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 10, 2022, 08:40:25 AM

I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

Meralco didn’t dominate the game though, they are still struggling to take the lead and good thing here most of the free throws of Ginbera are off, and since Meralco really wants to win they are able to do so. This is not a surprise anymore, maybe I just expect more from Ginebra and thought that the Momentum is with them but the result is different. They should bounce back in next game because if Meralco wins again in game 4, it will he hard for Ginebra to win again.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 08:53:12 AM

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

I'm a Ginebra fan but by looking the way things are happening right now, it's Meralco who's taking the business right. They are not afraid and they are more eager competing against the BRGY. A lot of adjustment are needed for Ginebra here, they need to work together and move the ball. I still believe that coach Tim will adjust to this kind of hype the Meralco is playing right now.

They need to overpower and break that momentum. It would not just be surprising but also interesting if Meralco win this series, they all bring SMC down right? Tongue

The loss of Japeth maybe was not felt by the fans but Ginebra really lack that inside presence that was abused by the Boltz. Meralco is not known to be an outside shooter, they usually drive the ball and they are having the liberty here since only C. Stand can guard, and JB can do the same thing but he cannot do that all throughout the game as it will result for him getting tired early.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on April 10, 2022, 07:58:42 AM

Meralco outlasted Ginebra in a tough battle. Good defense displayed by both teams but a lot of missed free throws by Ginebra players in Q3 was the turning point and allowed Meralco to comeback from 8-point deficit. There was also the offensive rebounds in the fourth which allowed Meralco to protect their lead.

I must admit that we should not underestimate Meralco right now, they rise from a deficit and was able to close the game. I just loss a bet because of this. Well, many are too confident about Ginebra but it looks like they are also struggling. Now Meralco takes the lead and this is a big game for them. On the other hand, Ginebra will surely bounce back it looks like to me now that there will be a game 7 for this finals, both teams are doing exceptional they both deserve to win the title.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 08:53:12 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 10, 2022, 08:40:25 AM

I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

I'm a Ginebra fan but by looking the way things are happening right now, it's Meralco who's taking the business right. They are not afraid and they are more eager competing against the BRGY. A lot of adjustment are needed for Ginebra here, they need to work together and move the ball. I still believe that coach Tim will adjust to this kind of hype the Meralco is playing right now.

They need to overpower and break that momentum. It would not just be surprising but also interesting if Meralco win this series, they all bring SMC down right? Tongue

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 10, 2022, 08:40:25 AM

I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 10, 2022, 08:16:29 AM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on April 10, 2022, 07:58:42 AM

Meralco outlasted Ginebra in a tough battle. Good defense displayed by both teams but a lot of missed free throws by Ginebra players in Q3 was the turning point and allowed Meralco to comeback from 8-point deficit. There was also the offensive rebounds in the fourth which allowed Meralco to protect their lead.

Brownlee only had 19 points, he was beaten by Bishop who scored 30 big points and 16 rebounds.

Also, the local players like Newsome had 20 points, while Maliksi is not anymore scoreless with 10 points.

Defense really is the key here why the Bolts got the victory.
After getting double digits in the first quarter, Brownlee can't score in the succeeding quarters and he only scored 19 points. Putting Hodge on him seems to be effective since he is the only one that can defend him. Maybe putting him in foul trouble would help the Ginebra but how can they do it is the question.

Meralco held Ginebra to scored only 13 points in both 3rd and 4th quarter. Meralco is one of the best defensive teams this season and even Magnolia had a hard time with their impenetrable defense. Maybe lets also add the fact that the Bolts are hungry right now to defeat this Ginebra team after getting defeated by them three times in PBA Finals that is why they are eager to get a revenge against them. Its a chess game so for sure Ginebra will make an adjustment with this loss.

I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on April 10, 2022, 07:58:42 AM

Meralco outlasted Ginebra in a tough battle. Good defense displayed by both teams but a lot of missed free throws by Ginebra players in Q3 was the turning point and allowed Meralco to comeback from 8-point deficit. There was also the offensive rebounds in the fourth which allowed Meralco to protect their lead.

Besides a lot free throws missed, I believe Brownlee didn't contribute that much on this game. He has only 38% FG while score 19pts which is very low to his average score when they are winning the match. I still don't want to conclude that Meralco got this since they can’t still defeat Ginebra when Brownlee is performing good. A couple of adjustment can make Ginebra comeback on this series.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 10, 2022, 07:54:53 AM

Now that Meralco has the edge on this series, could we say that this could be Brownlee's first Finals lose?

It's too early to tell, maybe if Meralco will have a 3-1 lead then there's a high probability.

Quote from: Bttzed03 on April 10, 2022, 07:58:42 AM

Meralco outlasted Ginebra in a tough battle. Good defense displayed by both teams but a lot of missed free throws by Ginebra players in Q3 was the turning point and allowed Meralco to comeback from 8-point deficit. There was also the offensive rebounds in the fourth which allowed Meralco to protect their lead.

Brownlee only had 19 points, he was beaten by Bishop who scored 30 big points and 16 rebounds.

Also, the local players like Newsome had 20 points, while Maliksi is not anymore scoreless with 10 points.

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Meralco outlasted Ginebra in a tough battle. Good defense displayed by both teams but a lot of missed free throws by Ginebra players in Q3 was the turning point and allowed Meralco to comeback from 8-point deficit. There was also the offensive rebounds in the fourth which allowed Meralco to protect their lead.

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Ginebra -1.5 @1.84 vs Bolts, the handicap will increase as the game approaches like the last game so better bet now.

I believe, the opening was -2.5, it was now down to -1.5.. Hmmm... I smell something fishy with this line movement, I don't know but I have a feeling that Meralco will win tonight, might as well take the live bet, I'm taking the Boltz if Ginebra will have an early good lead.

An intense first quarter with Ginebra taking the driver's seat 27-22, I think this will be a close game so your strategy of betting for the Bolts when Ginebra is leading might work in this game.

Brownlee is in a beast mode, hope he can sustain this until the end of the ball game.

Ginebra had a double digit lead but they finish with 8 points lead in the first half. We are now in the 2nd half and Meralco seemed to be coming back. I got Meralco +6.5 during the break, just in case they'll lose, at least I have an extra points to fight for.

Meralco won by 9 points, congrats on your win mate. Seems like this is the trend now in this series where Ginebra will lead by two-digit points and then Meralco will catch up in the second half so better to do live betting for Meralco with that high spread.

Now that Meralco has the edge on this series, could we say that this could be Brownlee's first Finals lose?

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