2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 333.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 14, 2022, 09:26:36 AM

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Quote from: Kelvinid on April 14, 2022, 08:54:55 AM

Stop the topic about the "rigging" thing, let's create another topic for that.

let's look at game 5, this will be on Saturday I think. I have not seen the schedule yet but seeing how Ginebra dominated game 4, I think they have the momentum now to win the series. Is it still -4.5 for the Boltz?

I agree, the next game will be on Sunday, 17.

If the spread is -4.5, I will take the Meralco Bolts. If Ginebra wins, I think it will be a close game and they should not underestimate Meralco because they beat them already twice in the series. Japeth will still play but with limited minutes only, for sure Bolts have already prepared something for him.

Next game is April 17.. 6:30 PM
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In game four between ginebra San Miguel vs meralco bolts in the first half end a both 41 points and a very close fight from them but in the and half ginebra Dan Miguel use their starts and their imports ad well doing great with Thompson and LA tenorio who carrying their teams into vector and the series will tied to 2-2 game 5 who will win? Does ginebra will be win or meralco will win ?

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Quote from: blockman on April 14, 2022, 09:20:49 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on April 14, 2022, 08:54:55 AM

Stop the topic about the "rigging" thing, let's create another topic for that.

let's look at game 5, this will be on Saturday I think. I have not seen the schedule yet but seeing how Ginebra dominated game 4, I think they have the momentum now to win the series. Is it still -4.5 for the Boltz?

I agree, the next game will be on Sunday, 17.

If the spread is -4.5, I will take the Meralco Bolts. If Ginebra wins, I think it will be a close game and they should not underestimate Meralco because they beat them already twice in the series. Japeth will still play but with limited minutes only, for sure Bolts have already prepared something for him.

Next game is April 17.. 6:30 PM
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Quote from: chaser15 on April 13, 2022, 06:59:08 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 13, 2022, 06:28:57 PM

Well, it has became a norm that whenever the finals come. There's like a "script" that's on going and the other team has to make way for them to tie the score and standings.
Seriously, it's really hard to go with the belief that has been being passed for a long time. Even I, I was in that belief before but realizing the intensity of the matches and the speculations that you've said. It's highly unlikely that any of them would really go on with that play for them to say that the game 4 was fixed.

Game-fixing issues are really involving every final but I doubt PBA will go as far as that just to extend the current series to Game 7. It will bring a negative impact on the league and that will hurt their reputation.

As far as my observation is concerned on this Finals, I don't understand why should we end up with game-fixing issues? The game is really played hard by both Ginebra and Meralco and what else can we do if they are in a 2-2 series now? Why should we link it to a game-fixing? They are playing on their own not influenced by someone or anything else.

I think there's one player that have said of this and he's been punished. It has just became a belief because it's like a pattern that we usually see. And that's what I think also before but I've got cleared and just let it be whatever is happening inside. I just want to enjoy this and it's sort of hard to accept when the fans are still believing on it whenever their favored team has lost.

Quote from: Kelvinid on April 14, 2022, 08:54:55 AM

Stop the topic about the "rigging" thing, let's create another topic for that.

let's look at game 5, this will be on Saturday I think. I have not seen the schedule yet but seeing how Ginebra dominated game 4, I think they have the momentum now to win the series. Is it still -4.5 for the Boltz?

I agree, the next game will be on Sunday, 17.

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Stop the topic about the "rigging" thing, let's create another topic for that.

let's look at game 5, this will be on Saturday I think. I have not seen the schedule yet but seeing how Ginebra dominated game 4, I think they have the momentum now to win the series. Is it still -4.5 for the Boltz?

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Rigged games or game-fixing had been a norm to excite audiences, but it is done in secret for sure. About this game 4 being fixed is only a rumor until proven otherwise, it will stay as a rumor and should be believed as not true. Entertainment is a business so let them do their business to entertain us. Let's just watch and enjoy the game.

Quote from: goinmerry on April 13, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

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There might be some rigged officiating but I don't consider Game 4 as rigged or even those past games. ....

Well, if officials are rigging the game then it is rigged but of course, it is our right to believe it or not

. But as I said, there is no proof that game 4 is rigged. The audience can speculate or whatever, it is their right to imagine things or interpret what they witnessed but it does not mean that it is true or they are right in their speculations.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 13, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

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There might be some rigged officiating but I don't consider Game 4 as rigged or even those past games. Ginebra and Meralco do their best on those wins. Please don't put a question about their winnings or losing. Did you guys know that if PBA is proven to be rigged, most PBA legends will come out to voice their criticism? Take a look at also at PBA page and see some comments. You won't see any real fan saying that Game 4 is game-fixing and they will allow the series to go in Game 7. They are just coming back from the pandemic and they will put dirt on those games?

This is why I'm not agreeing to the fact that there is a game-fixing in any of the games especially in the Playoffs even though there are some incidents that are pretty obvious. I agree with what you said that there are no veterans that are saying that games are rigged. Only audiences and those who are watching in the television are the ones saying.

Like I said, there are no evidences to whether a game is fixed or not and maybe lets remove that mindset that games are fixed in PBA. I think it would be better to just enjoy watching the game and support the team that we want to support. Lets forget about game fixing or monopoly etc. but lets just enjoy watching since PBA was created to make people enjoy right

. Lets take note that PBA has been gone for quite some time due to the pandemic so.. instead of thinking "This game was rigged" etc. lets change our thinking. TBH, I also thought of game-fixing in PBA in the past already because there are some games who are pretty obvious that it is but I'm not enjoying watching the game that is why I change the way I'm thinking of every game already and I hope some here will do the same

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 13, 2022, 10:17:00 PM

Maybe yes, there's a game fixing that surrounds the PBA, but we are talking about to giant companies, the results of this
finals will bring glory to the entire business. I guess that's why teams are really eager to win.

These two giants has no competition, especially for Meralco which is the biggest electric provider in the Philippines. This is some sort of advertising only, if there was a fixed, I'm sure that direction is not coming from the team owners, but those who run the PBA. (But these are just rumors).

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 13, 2022, 06:59:08 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 13, 2022, 06:28:57 PM

Well, it has became a norm that whenever the finals come. There's like a "script" that's on going and the other team has to make way for them to tie the score and standings.
Seriously, it's really hard to go with the belief that has been being passed for a long time. Even I, I was in that belief before but realizing the intensity of the matches and the speculations that you've said. It's highly unlikely that any of them would really go on with that play for them to say that the game 4 was fixed.

Game-fixing issues are really involving every final but I doubt PBA will go as far as that just to extend the current series to Game 7. It will bring a negative impact on the league and that will hurt their reputation.

As far as my observation is concerned on this Finals, I don't understand why should we end up with game-fixing issues? The game is really played hard by both Ginebra and Meralco and what else can we do if they are in a 2-2 series now? Why should we link it to a game-fixing? They are playing on their own not influenced by someone or anything else.

A kind of mindset that already been develop inside the fans who keep losing their bets.. But for the fans, they are cheering for the players and the teams that they've love we can't remove the fact that there are still many of them especially for the Ginebra side whatever happens they will keep cheering for this team.

The finals are being played by these two teams and they are really fighting for it.

Maybe yes, there's a game fixing that surrounds the PBA, but we are talking about to giant companies, the results of this
finals will bring glory to the entire business. I guess that's why teams are really eager to win.

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Quote from: blockman on April 13, 2022, 06:28:57 PM

Well, it has became a norm that whenever the finals come. There's like a "script" that's on going and the other team has to make way for them to tie the score and standings.
Seriously, it's really hard to go with the belief that has been being passed for a long time. Even I, I was in that belief before but realizing the intensity of the matches and the speculations that you've said. It's highly unlikely that any of them would really go on with that play for them to say that the game 4 was fixed.

Game-fixing issues are really involving every final but I doubt PBA will go as far as that just to extend the current series to Game 7. It will bring a negative impact on the league and that will hurt their reputation.

As far as my observation is concerned on this Finals, I don't understand why should we end up with game-fixing issues? The game is really played hard by both Ginebra and Meralco and what else can we do if they are in a 2-2 series now? Why should we link it to a game-fixing? They are playing on their own not influenced by someone or anything else.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 13, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

Game 4 is game-fixing? Awesome observation, guys.

1) How come those officiating can control the flow of the ball?
2) How come players can act according to plan/script during a live game in front of 17,000 people + audiences at home?
3) How come there are only a few missed calls the whole game?
4) How come Cliff Hodge is being criticized as a dirty player if the whole game is set up?
5) How come players can still drain a shot even if that's well-defended?

There might be some rigged officiating but I don't consider Game 4 as rigged or even those past games. Ginebra and Meralco do their best on those wins. Please don't put a question about their winnings or losing. Did you guys know that if PBA is proven to be rigged, most PBA legends will come out to voice their criticism? Take a look at also at PBA page and see some comments. You won't see any real fan saying that Game 4 is game-fixing and they will allow the series to go in Game 7. They are just coming back from the pandemic and they will put dirt on those games?

Well, it has became a norm that whenever the finals come. There's like a "script" that's on going and the other team has to make way for them to tie the score and standings.
Seriously, it's really hard to go with the belief that has been being passed for a long time. Even I, I was in that belief before but realizing the intensity of the matches and the speculations that you've said. It's highly unlikely that any of them would really go on with that play for them to say that the game 4 was fixed.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 13, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

Game 4 is game-fixing? Awesome observation, guys.

1) How come those officiating can control the flow of the ball?
2) How come players can act according to plan/script during a live game in front of 17,000 people + audiences at home?
3) How come there are only a few missed calls the whole game?
4) How come Cliff Hodge is being criticized as a dirty player if the whole game is set up?
5) How come players can still drain a shot even if that's well-defended?

Fans are just can’t accept the result, fixing a game is not easy and having a small leak can ruin the reputation not just by the team but the PBA as a whole so I also don’t believe on this one even if I see some wrong calls I can still say that its an isolated case where referees are not perfect all the time. Game 4 is an obvious game for Ginebra, let’s not take it away from them.

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Game 4 is game-fixing? Awesome observation, guys.

1) How come those officiating can control the flow of the ball?
2) How come players can act according to plan/script during a live game in front of 17,000 people + audiences at home?
3) How come there are only a few missed calls the whole game?
4) How come Cliff Hodge is being criticized as a dirty player if the whole game is set up?
5) How come players can still drain a shot even if that's well-defended?

There might be some rigged officiating but I don't consider Game 4 as rigged or even those past games. Ginebra and Meralco do their best on those wins. Please don't put a question about their winnings or losing. Did you guys know that if PBA is proven to be rigged, most PBA legends will come out to voice their criticism? Take a look at also at PBA page and see some comments. You won't see any real fan saying that Game 4 is game-fixing and they will allow the series to go in Game 7. They are just coming back from the pandemic and they will put dirt on those games?

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Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

That might be possible but if you really watch the game and follow the series since Game 1, how come those are rigged when they are shown playing hard? It's just that Ginebra is pumped up because Game 4 is their deciding match. If they lose it, it's hard to even series and beat Meralco 3 times in a row.

I hope other users who post here in this thread will not just look at the old and classic accusation of game-fixing or rigging the Finals. Please watch the current Finals and decide for yourself if those games are really rigged.

Please point out some plays that you think are part of the rigged game and not just accusing a certain game as rigged. If you guys can't do that, there are other threads to increase your post count.

I know some users here who really watch the game.

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There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

Game fixing issue has been there in the PBA for a long time but nothing has been proven yet so let's just give the benefit of the doubt that there is no such thing that happened in the PBA and if we look at the games in the Finals, it is hard to recognize that the games were rigged because there were so intense.

I do agree that this may reach game 7 as it is a see-saw battle and whoever adjusted very well to their game plan will win the championship.

This has been the issues and yet no evidence for this, most probably fans are just creating this issues simply because they team is not winning. With Meralco and Ginebra, I’m still confident for a clean game between this two teams. Game 4 was a great night for Ginebra, they really did a great job to be more stable this time and take the win. Whoever wins the title will surely deserve it, these two teams are playing their hearts out. Let’s see if there will be a game 7 for this conference.

Sometimes Meralco played as they can easily beat the Ginebra, but once they win, the opposing team would do their thing and will beat them. It's really not easy to predict, as a bettor, let's continue our speculation as long as we are winning, if not, then that is wrong.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

Game fixing issue has been there in the PBA for a long time but nothing has been proven yet so let's just give the benefit of the doubt that there is no such thing that happened in the PBA and if we look at the games in the Finals, it is hard to recognize that the games were rigged because there were so intense.

I do agree that this may reach game 7 as it is a see-saw battle and whoever adjusted very well to their game plan will win the championship.

This has been the issues and yet no evidence for this, most probably fans are just creating this issues simply because they team is not winning. With Meralco and Ginebra, I’m still confident for a clean game between this two teams. Game 4 was a great night for Ginebra, they really did a great job to be more stable this time and take the win. Whoever wins the title will surely deserve it, these two teams are playing their hearts out. Let’s see if there will be a game 7 for this conference.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

Game fixing issue has been there in the PBA for a long time but nothing has been proven yet so let's just give the benefit of the doubt that there is no such thing that happened in the PBA and if we look at the games in the Finals, it is hard to recognize that the games were rigged because there were so intense.

I do agree that this may reach game 7 as it is a see-saw battle and whoever adjusted very well to their game plan will win the championship.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 13, 2022, 08:38:02 AM

Both Thompson and Brownlee deserves the award that they got and no fixing made there. The fixing is on the game itself and not on the awards.
If you are watching PBA playoffs for quite some time, you will that there are some games that are fixed. Of course there are no evidences to it but as an audience you can make a theory that they are doing it.
Game fixing or not, I think it would be better if we will just enjoy watching. There has been no games for a very long time because of the pandemic so.. lets just enjoy watching the game and support the team that we want to support

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There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

We cannot deny this because of so many rumors before but we should see the effort of both teams just to get a point, we’ve see Ginebra really dominates this Game 4 and they are able to sustain the lead until the end. Brownlee is a great player and every time he gets the point the crowd is roaring, that could be a big factor for them. Game 7 are more possible to happen now, but I don’t think its a fixed game.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 13, 2022, 09:06:35 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 13, 2022, 08:38:02 AM

Both Thompson and Brownlee deserves the award that they got and no fixing made there. The fixing is on the game itself and not on the awards.
If you are watching PBA playoffs for quite some time, you will that there are some games that are fixed. Of course there are no evidences to it but as an audience you can make a theory that they are doing it.
Game fixing or not, I think it would be better if we will just enjoy watching. There has been no games for a very long time because of the pandemic so.. lets just enjoy watching the game and support the team that we want to support

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There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

The gate entrance alone, they are already making millions of pesos per game because people are really watching the game to support the Ginebra Kings. I have a feeling that this series will reach game 7, they are already comfortable playing each other, seemed like they already practice how to lose or win. Grin

How much is the ticket cost per game on Championship match? I still never watch live PBA match since birth but I have a friend that always watching it for free by waiting a little bit outside because gatekeeper usually let them enter when the match start. They are always watching on Antipolo Ynares Court. I don’t if Philippine Arena and Smart Araneta allow this kind of trick.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 13, 2022, 09:06:35 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 13, 2022, 08:38:02 AM

Both Thompson and Brownlee deserves the award that they got and no fixing made there. The fixing is on the game itself and not on the awards.
If you are watching PBA playoffs for quite some time, you will that there are some games that are fixed. Of course there are no evidences to it but as an audience you can make a theory that they are doing it.
Game fixing or not, I think it would be better if we will just enjoy watching. There has been no games for a very long time because of the pandemic so.. lets just enjoy watching the game and support the team that we want to support

.

There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

The gate entrance alone, they are already making millions of pesos per game because people are really watching the game to support the Ginebra Kings. I have a feeling that this series will reach game 7, they are already comfortable playing each other, seemed like they already practice how to lose or win. Grin

After reading your reply, I can't help my to smile, an obvious entertainment between these two teams, both know how to lose and win.

No wonder if the series will end up with a do or die all in game 7. Crowd favorite Ginebra is just like politicians from our country, they

can bring huge loads of tickets sales. Perfect timing for PBA to collect huge amounts of profits after that 2 years of losses due to the

pandemic period. Wink

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Quote from: Coin_trader on April 13, 2022, 09:02:30 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 13, 2022, 08:38:02 AM

Both Thompson and Brownlee deserves the award that they got and no fixing made there. The fixing is on the game itself and not on the awards.
If you are watching PBA playoffs for quite some time, you will that there are some games that are fixed. Of course there are no evidences to it but as an audience you can make a theory that they are doing it.
Game fixing or not, I think it would be better if we will just enjoy watching. There has been no games for a very long time because of the pandemic so.. lets just enjoy watching the game and support the team that we want to support

.

There’s a chance that game fixing is involved since PBA is monopolized by private company and we all know that viewership is what makes this franchise profitable. This is a Ginebra game which has the most number of fans in PBA. It will be a waste if the Championship will end with a one sided match. I’m this will be a game 7 series not because of the matching fixing accusation but rather the 2 team has close stats.

The gate entrance alone, they are already making millions of pesos per game because people are really watching the game to support the Ginebra Kings. I have a feeling that this series will reach game 7, they are already comfortable playing each other, seemed like they already practice how to lose or win. Grin

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