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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 05, 2022, 04:02:16 PM

Quote from: blockman on February 05, 2022, 03:53:27 PM

Yeah, he's been preserved for that to avoid injuries. That's the only threat that he has, to play safely while showing the full that he can. Avoiding as much as injuries as he can but this is a contact, a physical sport and that's really unavoidable.
Anyway, Gilas will be taking some TNT players and that will result to another delay.

With coach Chot Reyes calling the shots for Gilas Pilipinas, i think taking the TNT core players is the best way to go as the familiarity is already there. Kai Sotto won't suit up for this window as he have some business at that time that needs to be finished in Australia. Have read that Dwight Ramos and AJ Edu will join Gilas so it's not all TNT players at all.

Anyone here knows the full story on why coach Tab was fired or why he stepped down?

Coaches will always go to their top players first before anything else so there’s a huge possibility that TNT players will have a good spot on Gilas. Well I’ve heard Coach Tab are involve on forcing players to leave Gilas, I’m not sure about this rumor but its very unfortunate not to see him again on Gilas since he did a great job, I just hope that younger Gilas will have their best time again for Gilas.

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Quote from: blockman on February 05, 2022, 03:53:27 PM

Yeah, he's been preserved for that to avoid injuries. That's the only threat that he has, to play safely while showing the full that he can. Avoiding as much as injuries as he can but this is a contact, a physical sport and that's really unavoidable.
Anyway, Gilas will be taking some TNT players and that will result to another delay.

With coach Chot Reyes calling the shots for Gilas Pilipinas, i think taking the TNT core players is the best way to go as the familiarity is already there. Kai Sotto won't suit up for this window as he have some business at that time that needs to be finished in Australia. Have read that Dwight Ramos and AJ Edu will join Gilas so it's not all TNT players at all.

Anyone here knows the full story on why coach Tab was fired or why he stepped down?

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 05, 2022, 12:33:52 AM

Better if he keeps improving even he's not yet there since that's his dream after all, he's been fighting the homesickness for it as mentioned in the recent episode of Playitright.

He's showing that he's improving and there's a long way to go for this kid to be a star and will reach the NBA dream of a journey.

Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 05, 2022, 12:33:52 AM

We are all hopeful but he's the only one that can do it right if he works for it. I'm just hoping injuries will not be prone on him since that's what hinders him on why he miss some early games at Adelaide 36ers.

Yeah, he's been preserved for that to avoid injuries. That's the only threat that he has, to play safely while showing the full that he can. Avoiding as much as injuries as he can but this is a contact, a physical sport and that's really unavoidable.
Anyway, Gilas will be taking some TNT players and that will result to another delay.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on February 05, 2022, 10:56:04 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on February 05, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Of course, mate. That was being followed.

If it's not, you should see complaints. It's illegal if a team won't follow it.

That's why to compensate the most talented players that contribute much to the team, there's an "under the table" or sort of bonus. Much more of a big reward if the team got a championship.

Not only in the government where corrupt officials do exist Grin

I know you get my point hahaha..

But it's for real, salary cap is really needed to be followed under the contract where a player needs to sign. Everything is under the rules

we can't doubt that it's mandatory and required by law. If being bridge, necessary sanction will be implemented.

But, under the table or behind the doors, talks between team management and the player's manager are not under that rule. Anything can

happen when two parties agreed.

No one will sue the team owners that own most of the teams in the NBA. Of course, there's under the table, but it's too obvious that they are violating by essence, you can tell by the kind of players they have and compare it to the weaker teams like Blackwater and Terraferma.

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Quote from: harizen on February 05, 2022, 08:23:21 AM

Not a big deal but since Manila was now in Alert Level 2 and the number of confirmed cases seems to be controlled to the point that we are now seeing the term "endemic", the PBA's current setup might be back again with a live audience from February 16th, still on their home venue for since then, the Araneta Coliseum.

No triple-headers during the 1st week but the same setup as before, games are on daily basis from Wednesday to Sunday. If there will be no delays, the Governor's Cup will end in the last quarter this month to March 1st week.

Yes you are right that mate and I do hope that in the end of the month or year is still the cases will under control so that the Philippine Basketball Association will continue until the end of the conference and start a new one. Cause it is very nice to see many games in PBA and gamble by betting our favorite team.

I'm glad that we're already under Alert Level 2 and at last we can now see some local games and yes bet on our preferred team. Let's just hope for the best so that the PBA games will be able to resume at the scheduled date and ofcourse that there will no setbacks this time or any cancelled games at all until they finish this season.

Quote from: harizen on February 05, 2022, 08:23:21 AM

...the PBA's current setup might be back again with a live audience from February 16th, still on their home venue for since then, the Araneta Coliseum.

I have read somewhere that if the cases will decrease significantly, they will allow the public to watch their live games 2 weeks after the 1st scheduled games. But correct me if they changed that announcement already.

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Quote from: harizen on February 05, 2022, 08:23:21 AM

Not a big deal but since Manila was now in Alert Level 2 and the number of confirmed cases seems to be controlled to the point that we are now seeing the term "endemic", the PBA's current setup might be back again with a live audience from February 16th, still on their home venue for since then, the Araneta Coliseum.

No triple-headers during the 1st week but the same setup as before, games are on daily basis from Wednesday to Sunday. If there will be no delays, the Governor's Cup will end in the last quarter this month to March 1st week.

Yes you are right that mate and I do hope that in the end of the month or year is still the cases will under control so that the Philippine Basketball Association will continue until the end of the conference and start a new one. Cause it is very nice to see many games in PBA and gamble by betting our favorite team.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 05, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Of course, mate. That was being followed.

If it's not, you should see complaints. It's illegal if a team won't follow it.

That's why to compensate the most talented players that contribute much to the team, there's an "under the table" or sort of bonus. Much more of a big reward if the team got a championship.

Not only in the government where corrupt officials do exist Grin

I know you get my point hahaha..

But it's for real, salary cap is really needed to be followed under the contract where a player needs to sign. Everything is under the rules

we can't doubt that it's mandatory and required by law. If being bridge, necessary sanction will be implemented.

But, under the table or behind the doors, talks between team management and the player's manager are not under that rule. Anything can

happen when two parties agreed.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 05, 2022, 08:06:37 AM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 04, 2022, 03:56:35 PM

That's the reality, it's all bout the money because no team owner would spend for the team if he will not get something in return, PBA is entertainment but it's a business, they entertain us and at the same time they get something from us. If the brand the teams are representing is not getting the benefit, then most likely the teams will not exist in the PBA anymore.

Every teams should follow the PBA cap salary. The "bonus" is internal transaction and there's a pre-requisite for it and the price is big. We can't just say PBA is entertainment on that case. And the withdrawal of team in the PBA is because they can't sustain anymore the operation, maybe in the core side, not on the expenses of the players salary or what.

But the question is, do they really follow the salary cap? I think the PBA are just tolerating the SMB teams and other big teams in the PBA, for sure they have spend more than the salary cap already as they almost have the best players in the PBA.

Of course, mate. That was being followed.

If it's not, you should see complaints. It's illegal if a team won't follow it.

That's why to compensate the most talented players that contribute much to the team, there's an "under the table" or sort of bonus. Much more of a big reward if the team got a championship.

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Not a big deal but since Manila was now in Alert Level 2 and the number of confirmed cases seems to be controlled to the point that we are now seeing the term "endemic", the PBA's current setup might be back again with a live audience from February 16th, still on their home venue for since then, the Araneta Coliseum.

No triple-headers during the 1st week but the same setup as before, games are on daily basis from Wednesday to Sunday. If there will be no delays, the Governor's Cup will end in the last quarter this month to March 1st week.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 04, 2022, 05:06:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 04, 2022, 03:56:35 PM

That's the reality, it's all bout the money because no team owner would spend for the team if he will not get something in return, PBA is entertainment but it's a business, they entertain us and at the same time they get something from us. If the brand the teams are representing is not getting the benefit, then most likely the teams will not exist in the PBA anymore.

Every teams should follow the PBA cap salary. The "bonus" is internal transaction and there's a pre-requisite for it and the price is big. We can't just say PBA is entertainment on that case. And the withdrawal of team in the PBA is because they can't sustain anymore the operation, maybe in the core side, not on the expenses of the players salary or what.

But the question is, do they really follow the salary cap? I think the PBA are just tolerating the SMB teams and other big teams in the PBA, for sure they have spend more than the salary cap already as they almost have the best players in the PBA.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

Who else agrees that he needs more muscle to gain first? Not that a must but we see Pau Gasol haven't that much but still a dominant center way back his time.

I agree. He's better with added muscles. I think it will be part of his training and improvement but we'll see if there will be signs that he's going to work it out.

He can have a massive training once he will be drafted in the NBA, besides, he won't be playing as a starter right away, he will just become a reserve and if he improves then at the right time, he will gain a spot on the team and who knows he will be one of the starters.

Well, he can have his training while he's still in Australia and that would give him a sure buff for the scouters. With height and muscle, it's really ideal to see play in the NBA plus, he's still young.
That's what most of the scouters are looking out. And being a reserve and not a starter, it's okay, as long as he gets sign there when he think he's prepared and good enough to be in any team that signs him.

Better if he keeps improving even he's not yet there since that's his dream after all, he's been fighting the homesickness for it as mentioned in the recent episode of Playitright. We are all hopeful but he's the only one that can do it right if he works for it. I'm just hoping injuries will not be prone on him since that's what hinders him on why he miss some early games at Adelaide 36ers.

An injury will make him miss the opportunity to get drafted. I guess he really deserve to be in the NBA, with his height, I'm sure he can develop his skills especially his body so he can play with the bigger center in the league. Everyone in our country will be so proud of him seeing the first full blooded Filipino playing in the NBA, even if he'll only get some limited minutes.

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Quote from: blockman on February 04, 2022, 05:03:57 PM

Quote from: Viscore on February 04, 2022, 04:35:11 PM

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

Who else agrees that he needs more muscle to gain first? Not that a must but we see Pau Gasol haven't that much but still a dominant center way back his time.

I agree. He's better with added muscles. I think it will be part of his training and improvement but we'll see if there will be signs that he's going to work it out.

He can have a massive training once he will be drafted in the NBA, besides, he won't be playing as a starter right away, he will just become a reserve and if he improves then at the right time, he will gain a spot on the team and who knows he will be one of the starters.

Well, he can have his training while he's still in Australia and that would give him a sure buff for the scouters. With height and muscle, it's really ideal to see play in the NBA plus, he's still young.
That's what most of the scouters are looking out. And being a reserve and not a starter, it's okay, as long as he gets sign there when he think he's prepared and good enough to be in any team that signs him.

Better if he keeps improving even he's not yet there since that's his dream after all, he's been fighting the homesickness for it as mentioned in the recent episode of Playitright. We are all hopeful but he's the only one that can do it right if he works for it. I'm just hoping injuries will not be prone on him since that's what hinders him on why he miss some early games at Adelaide 36ers.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 04, 2022, 06:56:31 PM

I'm bit of "sayang" like every PH basketball fans is thinking. We see that Gilas is already in good hands by putting young talents on the core lineup to play at international league. Not degrading Coach Chot but the first time our young cadets played under Coach Tab, they already impressed us.

Every pinoy fans understand and feels the same. Not questioning the capabilities of TNT, but it's much better to blend some other
PBA stars who can help the Nationals, it's a competition that will bring our flag better to compete with pride the same way we
did from the past Gilas representatives.

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I hope aside from TNT lineup, they will put young cadets on the roster. It's reported that Dwight Ramos will be back on the lineup. That was a good start.

Let see and wait for Chot's final announcement. I read some news about bringing the entire TNT to represent the Nationals
and PBA schedule will be adjusted to allow TNT to join the qualifiers.

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Quote from: Japinat on February 02, 2022, 09:09:39 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 02, 2022, 08:05:30 AM

Do you think it's a good decision by the SBP to get Chot Reyes as the head coach of the Gilas Pilipinas again?

https://pba.ph/news/tnt-coach-chot-reyes-back-on-gilas-saddle

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VINCENT "Chot" Reyes is back to doing double duty, with his reappointment to head coaching post at Gilas Pilipinas.

Reyes will juggle jobs at TNT Tropang Giga and with the national team while Tab Baldwin is to focus on his responsibilities with the Ateneo men's basketball team with the looming return of the college play in the country.

Which coach is better for you, Coach Chot or Coach Baldwin? and why?

For me coach Baldwin is better, he coach the team in the Fiba World cup and Gilas were really competitive at that time although we know our limitations. It's the decision of coach Tab, he wants to focus on the NCAA coaching specifically the Ateneo Blue Eagle team, so we have to respect that and let's support coach Chot with his new journey to the FIBA.

I'm bit of "sayang" like every PH basketball fans is thinking. We see that Gilas is already in good hands by putting young talents on the core lineup to play at international league. Not degrading Coach Chot but the first time our young cadets played under Coach Tab, they already impressed us.

I hope aside from TNT lineup, they will put young cadets on the roster. It's reported that Dwight Ramos will be back on the lineup. That was a good start.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 04, 2022, 05:06:46 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 04, 2022, 03:56:35 PM

That's the reality, it's all bout the money because no team owner would spend for the team if he will not get something in return, PBA is entertainment but it's a business, they entertain us and at the same time they get something from us. If the brand the teams are representing is not getting the benefit, then most likely the teams will not exist in the PBA anymore.

Every teams should follow the PBA cap salary. The "bonus" is internal transaction and there's a pre-requisite for it and the price is big. We can't just say PBA is entertainment on that case. And the withdrawal of team in the PBA is because they can't sustain anymore the operation, maybe in the core side, not on the expenses of the players salary or what.

There are only a few PBA teams that withdraw in the league since it's controlled by the rich people in our country, the SMB corps, and Pangilinan has more than one team in the PBA, so they'll continue no matter what and they can survive even in tough times. PBA will definitely run more years but I'm not sure if their system will remain successful as the new leagues are slowly getting popular.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 04, 2022, 03:56:35 PM

That's the reality, it's all bout the money because no team owner would spend for the team if he will not get something in return, PBA is entertainment but it's a business, they entertain us and at the same time they get something from us. If the brand the teams are representing is not getting the benefit, then most likely the teams will not exist in the PBA anymore.

Every teams should follow the PBA cap salary. The "bonus" is internal transaction and there's a pre-requisite for it and the price is big. We can't just say PBA is entertainment on that case. And the withdrawal of team in the PBA is because they can't sustain anymore the operation, maybe in the core side, not on the expenses of the players salary or what.

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Quote from: Viscore on February 04, 2022, 04:35:11 PM

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

Who else agrees that he needs more muscle to gain first? Not that a must but we see Pau Gasol haven't that much but still a dominant center way back his time.

I agree. He's better with added muscles. I think it will be part of his training and improvement but we'll see if there will be signs that he's going to work it out.

He can have a massive training once he will be drafted in the NBA, besides, he won't be playing as a starter right away, he will just become a reserve and if he improves then at the right time, he will gain a spot on the team and who knows he will be one of the starters.

Well, he can have his training while he's still in Australia and that would give him a sure buff for the scouters. With height and muscle, it's really ideal to see play in the NBA plus, he's still young.
That's what most of the scouters are looking out. And being a reserve and not a starter, it's okay, as long as he gets sign there when he think he's prepared and good enough to be in any team that signs him.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

Who else agrees that he needs more muscle to gain first? Not that a must but we see Pau Gasol haven't that much but still a dominant center way back his time.

I agree. He's better with added muscles. I think it will be part of his training and improvement but we'll see if there will be signs that he's going to work it out.

He can have a massive training once he will be drafted in the NBA, besides, he won't be playing as a starter right away, he will just become a reserve and if he improves then at the right time, he will gain a spot on the team and who knows he will be one of the starters.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

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I like him to be drafted in NBA but I think he's not yet ready for it. I know that he's a good player and there's such spirit and talent on this kid but I just think and feel that he's not yet there. But wherever the fate is going to bring him, he should grab every opportunity that he can.
And then later on if there's a problem that exists, then he has to face it like hardship of keeping up with the new atmosphere if ever he gets drafted. Well, there are also young talented players that have been drafted but if a scouter sees his talent then he should grab it as training in NBA is much better and yeah, it's NBA.

I think so too, maybe he needs more experiences on the Australian league by now and if he keeps improving I think there are lot of scouts that might notice him. In the long run, I guess an overseas league with the like of Kai is still impressive for his career even if he wouldn't make it on the NBA but still has the wishful thinking as a fellow countrymen that we desire a full-blooded one there.

Yeah, we can conclude that he's on both good situation right now. Whether he stay in Australia for so long or if somebody scouts him. While he's staying in Australia, he can work on his own and prepare and train more.

Quote from: rhomelmabini on February 04, 2022, 03:39:28 PM

Who else agrees that he needs more muscle to gain first? Not that a must but we see Pau Gasol haven't that much but still a dominant center way back his time.

I agree. He's better with added muscles. I think it will be part of his training and improvement but we'll see if there will be signs that he's going to work it out.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on February 04, 2022, 08:14:16 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 03, 2022, 02:52:51 AM

If the Ateneo Blue Eagle can afford him, I'm sure the SBP can afford him more. I don't think it's an issue of money, he work as a coach before, so that proves the SBP can afford his talent fee, whatever you call it. There's no other option for now, it's either him or coach Chot, but we also have Tim Cone, I wonder if they'll try to convince him as well.

A simple logic here, a college school can afford him how much more the National right? if it's about the money funds is easier to produce.

There's an internal talk about this and for sure coach Tab agrees with what SBP and MVP offers him, whatever it is we know the influenced of Boss Manny

and what he can do for this team, putting coach Chot will allow him to add more.

Don't get me wrong but for me, it's all about business and the money that it will produce for the company, exposures and more advertisement Roll Eyes

That's the reality, it's all bout the money because no team owner would spend for the team if he will not get something in return, PBA is entertainment but it's a business, they entertain us and at the same time they get something from us. If the brand the teams are representing is not getting the benefit, then most likely the teams will not exist in the PBA anymore.

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