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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 13, 2021, 03:58:33 AM

Ginebra fans will always be loyal, they have proven that they are a good team, and adding C. Stand should make them better, maybe their struggle will be over soon, and maybe as long as they win in the elimination, Coach Tim Cone will use another strategy to beat their opponent. I trust them, so I don't want to judge them now as they are still in the ranking and they still have a chance.

I admire the ability and brilliance of coach Tim Cone but the point is Ginebra won last year's all Filipino cup even without Greg Slaughter and people/PBA fans just expected that they will be stronger now that Christian Standhardinger has come to them.

IMO, it's not the coach who got the problem here, it is CStand because of the chemistry and him not fitting to the current system of Ginebra just like back then when he was not also fit to play alongside JMF.

You just can't limit the playing of this guy because he is vocal when it comes to that issue.

I think Cstand's style of play will fit on the Japan B-league.

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Quote from: Distinctin on September 13, 2021, 03:38:29 AM

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 13, 2021, 03:21:12 AM

There are still 4-5 games remaining for Ginebra to secure a spot in the next round after eliminations. I doubt they will end up not winning at those 5. Alaska seems not that ready and competitive enough to enter the quarterfinals.

The same goes for BlackWater that I also think will not have any winning record.

No worries for Ginebra fans out there. Low chance for them to be eliminated based on the current standings.

I agree with that, but since they are the champion last bubble, we are expecting them to play better this conference, but it's not what we are seeing, so as a fan, I am a bit worried that they might not be able to defend their title and they will be eliminated in the quarter-finals or the semis.

We can't also say that they will not reach the PBA Finals because elimination games and best of 5 or 7 series are quite different compared to regular games. Coach Tim Cone is good on adjustments and he could still make this team the never say die team win against any team they will face.

The top performers now when the conference resume are the TNT, North Port and SMB, so let's see if they'll do the same during the playoffs.

Ginebra fans will always be loyal, they have proven that they are a good team, and adding C. Stand should make them better, maybe their struggle will be over soon, and maybe as long as they win in the elimination, Coach Tim Cone will use another strategy to beat their opponent. I trust them, so I don't want to judge them now as they are still in the ranking and they still have a chance.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on September 12, 2021, 11:10:26 AM

They are on the top but it's still early to assume that, it will be depend if who's team they'll going to meet if by chance they will move to the finals.

SMC Corp. Still the big nemesis by Pangilinan Group, whoever from SMB, BGSM and Magnolia are all competitive
and not easily can be beaten up.

Talking about winning the title, coach Chot is not new to that but the players that he's handling right now, that's still
questionable. Let us enjoy first this bubble and talk about it when we already see them in the finals.

Yes you've got a point that it will depend on who will win both of the team and let's wait who got move for the final round and it would be the awaiting moment to see who will win.

And all the team you've mentioned was very competitive and it's hard to judge both team cause they are both good in the game.

Can't wait to see the final game and congratulate to those team who got win in the final round.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 13, 2021, 03:21:12 AM

There are still 4-5 games remaining for Ginebra to secure a spot in the next round after eliminations. I doubt they will end up not winning at those 5. Alaska seems not that ready and competitive enough to enter the quarterfinals.

The same goes for BlackWater that I also think will not have any winning record.

No worries for Ginebra fans out there. Low chance for them to be eliminated based on the current standings.

I agree with that, but since they are the champion last bubble, we are expecting them to play better this conference, but it's not what we are seeing, so as a fan, I am a bit worried that they might not be able to defend their title and they will be eliminated in the quarter-finals or the semis.

We can't also say that they will not reach the PBA Finals because elimination games and best of 5 or 7 series are quite different compared to regular games. Coach Tim Cone is good on adjustments and he could still make this team the never say die team win against any team they will face.

The top performers now when the conference resume are the TNT, North Port and SMB, so let's see if they'll do the same during the playoffs.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 13, 2021, 02:33:22 AM

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 12, 2021, 06:20:31 PM

Hey kabarangay's out there, too early to say that the Kings will not reached even the semifinals. Standing is just a standing. If they can make even at least on the last spot to enter the next round, that's all good and win loss record will be reset. The only advantage of standing is the post-elimination spot. Knowing Gin Kings, they are shown at their best when they are in a do-or-die situation so just relax.

Time Cone is making CStand ripe on his system that's why even the chemistry is still not there, he will just continue with his usual rotation until that chemistry now finally blends.

I also have that mentality but with a bad standing, that makes everyone think of how they'll be ending with. But if there are still games remaining for them, they have to be the best of them for those matches because if they keep ending with a bad standing and more lose, then we all agree that it's going to be what will be their fate for this season.

If they won't do good this conference, there's still the next conference that they might be successful. Tim Cone will be a legend in the PBA, and he will do everything to make Ginebra a championship again, let's just give other teams to improve so we will not see them in the Finals all the time.

That's always the case for every team that if they fall short on this current season, they always have the next season. But it is likely that there will be another batch of those players that are about to receive offers from the B League just as the others have already taken the offers. Well in this case, that's just my anticipation since a lot of news did came with that.

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But we have our trust and have seen how Gin Kings always gets up and we just have to wait for their next matches if there's an improvement.

Slowly but surely maybe.

For the Gin Kings, we'll see and we only have to wait, watch and enjoy.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 13, 2021, 03:21:12 AM

There are still 4-5 games remaining for Ginebra to secure a spot in the next round after eliminations. I doubt they will end up not winning at those 5. Alaska seems not that ready and competitive enough to enter the quarterfinals.

The same goes for BlackWater that I also think will not have any winning record.

No worries for Ginebra fans out there. Low chance for them to be eliminated based on the current standings.

I agree with that, but since they are the champion last bubble, we are expecting them to play better this conference, but it's not what we are seeing, so as a fan, I am a bit worried that they might not be able to defend their title and they will be eliminated in the quarter-finals or the semis.

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There are still 4-5 games remaining for Ginebra to secure a spot in the next round after eliminations. I doubt they will end up not winning at those 5. Alaska seems not that ready and competitive enough to enter the quarterfinals.

The same goes for BlackWater that I also think will not have any winning record.

Low chance for Ginebra to be eliminated based on the current standings.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 12, 2021, 06:20:31 PM

Hey kabarangay's out there, too early to say that the Kings will not reached even the semifinals. Standing is just a standing. If they can make even at least on the last spot to enter the next round, that's all good and win loss record will be reset. The only advantage of standing is the post-elimination spot. Knowing Gin Kings, they are shown at their best when they are in a do-or-die situation so just relax.

Time Cone is making CStand ripe on his system that's why even the chemistry is still not there, he will just continue with his usual rotation until that chemistry now finally blends.

I also have that mentality but with a bad standing, that makes everyone think of how they'll be ending with. But if there are still games remaining for them, they have to be the best of them for those matches because if they keep ending with a bad standing and more lose, then we all agree that it's going to be what will be their fate for this season.

If they won't do good this conference, there's still the next conference that they might be successful. Tim Cone will be a legend in the PBA, and he will do everything to make Ginebra a championship again, let's just give other teams to improve so we will not see them in the Finals all the time.

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But we have our trust and have seen how Gin Kings always gets up and we just have to wait for their next matches if there's an improvement.

Slowly but surely maybe.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 12, 2021, 06:20:31 PM

Hey kabarangay's out there, too early to say that the Kings will not reached even the semifinals. Standing is just a standing. If they can make even at least on the last spot to enter the next round, that's all good and win loss record will be reset. The only advantage of standing is the post-elimination spot. Knowing Gin Kings, they are shown at their best when they are in a do-or-die situation so just relax.

Time Cone is making CStand ripe on his system that's why even the chemistry is still not there, he will just continue with his usual rotation until that chemistry now finally blends.

I also have that mentality but with a bad standing, that makes everyone think of how they'll be ending with. But if there are still games remaining for them, they have to be the best of them for those matches because if they keep ending with a bad standing and more lose, then we all agree that it's going to be what will be their fate for this season. But we have our trust and have seen how Gin Kings always gets up and we just have to wait for their next matches if there's an improvement.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 11, 2021, 10:38:33 AM

How about mini gambling guys if Blackwater will have a single win or not this conference.

Small bet between $10-$30 in USDT. I'm with NO. No odds or something just 1:1.

I'm with NO. Blackwater will have a 0 win record. Cheesy

That's interesting, but if we can make a rule like this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pba-meralco-vs-tnt-semi-finals-betting-series-total-bets-003-btc-bet-now-5204905, then maybe we will see some bettors interested in putting their bet on Blackwater. Personally I don't think Meralco would have a single win this conference, but if the odds are attractive, then I might put a bet on that.

Only few games left in the eliminations so I think there's no time to make awareness out of it.

Just a straight friendly bet here, I will place $30 that Blackwater will set a record of no wins in this conference. I think I'm at disadvantage and officiating might involved on the next games of Blackwater as odds for that team is high (magic hokus pokus lol). Their moneyline odds is always attractive but risky to bet.

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Hey kabarangay's out there, too early to say that the Kings will not reached even the semifinals. Standing is just a standing. If they can make even at least on the last spot to enter the next round, that's all good and win loss record will be reset. The only advantage of standing is the post-elimination spot. Knowing Gin Kings, they are shown at their best when they are in a do-or-die situation so just relax.

Time Cone is making CStand ripe on his system that's why even the chemistry is still not there, he will just continue with his usual rotation until that chemistry now finally blends.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2021, 07:58:27 AM

They really have this chemistry issue with the arrival of Cstand, seems that the latter is having a hard time adjusting to coach Tim Cone's system.

Since the arrival of CStan the chemistry between all ginebra players is collapsing, unlike before where young players are rotating and finding their space inside, they are scavenging balls and try all the best to help.

That wasn't the expectation, we know that coach Tim Cone is good with handling his players and creating a good chemistry.
I also don't understand why they are having some problem, I see that C. Stand have a good season with the SMB, so maybe they should look at how did the SMB coaching did that so his talent will not be wasted.

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We are no longer seeing that; they are just pure rotations and they are just trying to follow the system that coach Tim design for them.

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With this situation Ginebra is in, i don't that that they would reach the semis and we might see some trades involving Cstand in the future.

Too early for that, knowing coach Tim, he will give CStan enough time to adopt. Maybe it's hard now for them to reach the finals, but who knows? They won't be called, never say die for nothing! Hehehe classic Ginebra follower Tongue

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NorthPort's situation is opposite with Ginebra and they are winning game lately and seems to me that NorthPort have the advantage of the Cstand-Slaughter trade.

Indeed, they just escape and win over NLEX. They are now in the good run, placing themselves in a much better standing.

Their win sometimes is not really that convincing, I miss the old Ginebra where they can dominate the opponent.
Maybe it's a karma for trading Greg after an assurance that if he will sign with them, they will not trade him.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2021, 07:58:27 AM

They really have this chemistry issue with the arrival of Cstand, seems that the latter is having a hard time adjusting to coach Tim Cone's system.

Since the arrival of CStan the chemistry between all ginebra players is collapsing, unlike before where young players are rotating and finding their space inside, they are scavenging balls and try all the best to help.

We are no longer seeing that; they are just pure rotations and they are just trying to follow the system that coach Tim design for them.

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With this situation Ginebra is in, i don't that that they would reach the semis and we might see some trades involving Cstand in the future.

Too early for that, knowing coach Tim, he will give CStan enough time to adopt. Maybe it's hard now for them to reach the finals, but who knows? They won't be called, never say die for nothing! Hehehe classic Ginebra follower Tongue

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NorthPort's situation is opposite with Ginebra and they are winning game lately and seems to me that NorthPort have the advantage of the Cstand-Slaughter trade.

Indeed, they just escape and win over NLEX. They are now in the good run, placing themselves in a much better standing.

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Quote from: Shamm on September 12, 2021, 08:13:15 AM

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TNT is now leading the whole conference Score 7-1 good start in this season but the problem is when they up to finals their strategy will fade and get loss from the opponent. Past few years their team succeed and they win from quarter to semi- final and the final game was come their game was different and their strategy was change then sadly they loss

That's what we usually saw in the past, however, they have a new coach already and I think he is successful with his job as his first year after being out for a while, Chot Reyes is having a good run in the PBA. Also, the TNT is a much more improved team now as they have Mikey Willimans which become their top scorer and he is getting into the grove now.

Yes we all know that Chot Reyes is one of the Best coach in the PBA history and have a good relationship for his team, so now I think they will win and get the championship this season as I can see their top scorers are pretty good dedication and motivation will bring them to victory.

They are on the top but it's still early to assume that, it will be depend if who's team they'll going to meet if by chance they will move to the finals.

SMC Corp. Still the big nemesis by Pangilinan Group, whoever from SMB, BGSM and Magnolia are all competitive
and not easily can be beaten up.

Talking about winning the title, coach Chot is not new to that but the players that he's handling right now, that's still
questionable. Let us enjoy first this bubble and talk about it when we already see them in the finals.

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Quote from: Kasabus on September 11, 2021, 06:37:04 AM

A well-balanced scoring of the Phoenix Fuelmasters made them dominate the blackwater elite.
6 players scored double-digit, this is similar to the DYIP beating the Blackwater where everyone was scoring.
I think Blackwater will have their worst season this year with the way they are playing, they are not even competing well, they lose by double digits, there's no sign of progress on this team.

I don't know if the issue is with the players or the coaching staff not being able to strategize correctly around the players. When 6 of you opponent's players score double figures, you have genuine issues with your squad. And this needs to be addressed as soon as possible, otherwise Blackwaters are up for a tough season ahead.

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Quote from: Shamm on September 12, 2021, 08:13:15 AM

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Quote from: Shamm on September 12, 2021, 07:38:52 AM

TNT is now leading the whole conference Score 7-1 good start in this season but the problem is when they up to finals their strategy will fade and get loss from the opponent. Past few years their team succeed and they win from quarter to semi- final and the final game was come their game was different and their strategy was change then sadly they loss

That's what we usually saw in the past, however, they have a new coach already and I think he is successful with his job as his first year after being out for a while, Chot Reyes is having a good run in the PBA. Also, the TNT is a much more improved team now as they have Mikey Willimans which become their top scorer and he is getting into the grove now.

Yes we all know that Chot Reyes is one of the Best coach in the PBA history and have a good relationship for his team, so now I think they will win and get the championship this season as I can see their top scorers are pretty good dedication and motivation will bring them to victory.

I believe it's possible that they can get a championship this conference, it's good for Jason Willams as he wants to win before he retires.

Anyway, all the games today have already concluded, and in the last game, it was the Northport who are victorious again against the NLEX, this is their 3 win streak and this team is just getting better. While the BGSM is struggling, North Port on the other hand is enjoying its success.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 12, 2021, 07:59:10 AM

Quote from: Shamm on September 12, 2021, 07:38:52 AM

TNT is now leading the whole conference Score 7-1 good start in this season but the problem is when they up to finals their strategy will fade and get loss from the opponent. Past few years their team succeed and they win from quarter to semi- final and the final game was come their game was different and their strategy was change then sadly they loss

That's what we usually saw in the past, however, they have a new coach already and I think he is successful with his job as his first year after being out for a while, Chot Reyes is having a good run in the PBA. Also, the TNT is a much more improved team now as they have Mikey Willimans which become their top scorer and he is getting into the grove now.

Yes we all know that Chot Reyes is one of the Best coach in the PBA history and have a good relationship for his team, so now I think they will win and get the championship this season as I can see their top scorers are pretty good dedication and motivation will bring them to victory.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 11, 2021, 03:57:09 PM

Horrible Blackwater Bossing.
With their recent loss, they are now in a 17 losing streak which ties a PBA record for the second-longest losing streak. Actually, they are good during early minutes but while the game is in progress, you will notice some disruptions on game. How about their way of freezing themselves if caught?
If I'm correct games played like layer is already paid of 17 losing streaks?

From what I have seen, I think that their chemistry is not working. They feel blacked out while attacking. They don't know where their teammates are or where to pass the ball to. Maybe some changes in the squad might have helped. Going on a 17 losing streak is no joke. This has already made the players demoralized.

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Quote from: Shamm on September 12, 2021, 07:38:52 AM

TNT is now leading the whole conference Score 7-1 good start in this season but the problem is when they up to finals their strategy will fade and get loss from the opponent. Past few years their team succeed and they win from quarter to semi- final and the final game was come their game was different and their strategy was change then sadly they loss

That's what we usually saw in the past, however, they have a new coach already and I think he is successful with his job as his first year after being out for a while, Chot Reyes is having a good run in the PBA. Also, the TNT is a much more improved team now as they have Mikey Willimans which become their top scorer and he is getting into the grove now.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on September 12, 2021, 06:55:43 AM

Ginebra lose with the score of 67-88 in favor of TNT. This is expected since they start to lose to DYIP. I think they don't have enough motivation to bounce back from the bottom. They will be in rock bottom next blackwater if they can't solve there internal issue. I don't know exactly what's happening to Ginebra right but this happened a lot before so I believe they will manage to recover because they are the team that has the most fan on PBA.

They really have this chemistry issue with the arrival of Cstand, seems that the latter is having a hard time adjusting to coach Tim Cone's system.

With this situation Ginebra is in, i don't that that they would reach the semis and we might see some trades involving Cstand in the future.

NorthPort's situation is opposite with Ginebra and they are winning game lately and seems to me that NorthPort have the advantage of the Cstand-Slaughter trade.

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