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April 30, 2024, 05:08:46 PM
It feels like it's becoming boring to watch the PBA because almost all the teams are under the San Miguel Corporation, more likely sister companies. They also seem to always win championships because they have the power to sign top players. I wish the old teams like Coca Cola Tigers, Alaska Aces, Air 21 and Sta Lucia could come back. These are the teams I remember; maybe only '90s kids know most about them.
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April 30, 2024, 08:45:17 AM

We can't deny that, looking at their line up it looks like the SMB are not really following the salary cap, probably there's a lot of under the table payment just to form this kind of line up. I don't think they'll change this as they had the best success with this line up, JMF doesn't have to carry his team all the time anymore, the burden is not too heavy so he'll become less prone to injury.

Who's going to believe that those stars who are in their lineup will accept only 300K peso /month? not going to happen, for sure they are taking something outside their contracts, under the table and other stuffs that will let them continue to play for the team.

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Jericho Cruz has really showed how great he is with the SMB, if he will be at the starting line up, there's a possibility that he will win an award like a finals MVP because he is sorrounded by great shooters and what i like about him is that he is not afraid to attack the paint and his hussle.

Maybe yes, but with the current squad with a healthy JMF, Perez and TR7 I guess that's something the coach will need to design, all of them are capable to take shots and with established confidence that there's someone who can bring back the ball or will make the ball alive it will be easier to them to take that kind of extra shots.
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April 30, 2024, 08:09:56 AM
SMB have created a complete definition of a super team, mixed with veterans who can still play and some best players on other team before that have join them. They already have the offense, anyone can step up in this team, we can name, CJ Perez, Cris Ross, JMF and even Marcio, nothing is stopping this guy when he is hot.

And just look at the 2nd unit, they have Jericho Cruz, Trollano, Teng, and Romeo, and some other big guys who played well before with their previous teams. Even the most popular team in the PBA which is the Ginebra have no match on this line up because they have a deep roster. What Cruz was saying is they like to make a history and this is the best time for them.

We can't deny that, looking at their line up it looks like the SMB are not really following the salary cap, probably there's a lot of under the table payment just to form this kind of line up. I don't think they'll change this as they had the best success with this line up, JMF doesn't have to carry his team all the time anymore, the burden is not too heavy so he'll become less prone to injury.

Jericho Cruz has really showed how great he is with the SMB, if he will be at the starting line up, there's a possibility that he will win an award like a finals MVP because he is sorrounded by great shooters and what i like about him is that he is not afraid to attack the paint and his hussle.
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April 29, 2024, 01:33:33 PM
We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.

Moving back to the current topic, I guess Mikey Williams issue is no longer a thing even with TNT's fans, his attitude towards the league should not be tolerated, though he really have that talents and skills but playing only when you wanted to play and demanding for something that over-exceeding from what the league is permitting that's not good from both the team and the league image if they will allow this kind of treatment coming from Williams.

In terms of Cruz opinion or statement, with their current stats it can be done for my personal opinion, SMB is a complete package squad when everyone is healthy, they can compete even with the National team if they will play a tune up game against them, as long as they can keep thei original players and let the remaining National to play against them.



SMB have created a complete definition of a super team, mixed with veterans who can still play and some best players on other team before that have join them. They already have the offense, anyone can step up in this team, we can name, CJ Perez, Cris Ross, JMF and even Marcio, nothing is stopping this guy when he is hot.

And just look at the 2nd unit, they have Jericho Cruz, Trollano, Teng, and Romeo, and some other big guys who played well before with their previous teams. Even the most popular team in the PBA which is the Ginebra have no match on this line up because they have a deep roster. What Cruz was saying is they like to make a history and this is the best time for them.
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April 29, 2024, 09:18:05 AM
We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.

Moving back to the current topic, I guess Mikey Williams issue is no longer a thing even with TNT's fans, his attitude towards the league should not be tolerated, though he really have that talents and skills but playing only when you wanted to play and demanding for something that over-exceeding from what the league is permitting that's not good from both the team and the league image if they will allow this kind of treatment coming from Williams.

In terms of Cruz opinion or statement, with their current stats it can be done for my personal opinion, SMB is a complete package squad when everyone is healthy, they can compete even with the National team if they will play a tune up game against them, as long as they can keep thei original players and let the remaining National to play against them.

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April 29, 2024, 07:21:31 AM
We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.

The major team owners are capable of funding to improve this league, but it seems like they are not doing anything when people are not coming to the venue. Just like in the past, people can also watch the game on live tv but the arena is full, but nowadays, it's not what we are witnessing so they should do something else.

Anyway, we have already comment our suggestion, let's go back to the present.  Today, I read another post in facebook about Mikey Williams, his name popped up again but there's no positive news, still he is not interested going back to manila to play with TNT.

By the way guys, I read an article about Jericho Cruz very positive about sweeping all the teams in the Filipino cup, and as we all know, SMB is still undefeated with 9-0 record.
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April 29, 2024, 02:40:22 AM
I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.

I think for now that they could not accomodate new teams then they should invite overseas teams and play with the league. With that, the season will be more competitive, and even though the farm tems still exist but people would not mind that as they want to see the best teams in the PBA playing against an overseas teams in the playoffs, or in the Finals at best.

Anyway, let's discuss on the game last night. Have you seen the game between Meralco and Magnolia? I think they have the lowest output in a single game not sure if they already made history on this one, Meralco 74 - Magnolia 51 points.. 51.. yes that's it, have you seen a team that went to the finals last season and only scored 51 points in the entire game? I think this team really have a problem, and although they secured their playoff spot already but I think they'll be having a problem in the series if they cannot figure out their offense problem.

We are desperate to see the PBA go back to its old days in terms of popularity, so I hope they'll listen to the people as they can read a lot of suggestions and criticism, that means people are still caring on the PBA and they don't want this oldest basketball league to close because team owners are not getting the benefits of what they have invested anymore.

There are still time and I know if they'll really work on it it's possible because they have funds and these giant teams are gonna help to make it happen. You know, the owner of MOA could benefit since games are held in that venue, so with people interested in watching the game because PBA is competitive again, they can easily get their investment.
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April 28, 2024, 04:31:52 PM
I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.

I think for now that they could not accomodate new teams then they should invite overseas teams and play with the league. With that, the season will be more competitive, and even though the farm tems still exist but people would not mind that as they want to see the best teams in the PBA playing against an overseas teams in the playoffs, or in the Finals at best.

Anyway, let's discuss on the game last night. Have you seen the game between Meralco and Magnolia? I think they have the lowest output in a single game not sure if they already made history on this one, Meralco 74 - Magnolia 51 points.. 51.. yes that's it, have you seen a team that went to the finals last season and only scored 51 points in the entire game? I think this team really have a problem, and although they secured their playoff spot already but I think they'll be having a problem in the series if they cannot figure out their offense problem.
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April 28, 2024, 04:31:23 PM
IMHO, they are aware of it and they get it. It's true that it's not about the ticket prices because whatever the cost of it, if the league is handled well. The venues are going to be closely booked and there will be no more scalpers that will take those tickets but even now, the scalpers aren't interested to take part of hoarding tickets. LOL. The farm teams don't really make sense for the league and the commissioners don't do anything with it in their power to control them but it's always money that talks for them.

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.
We don't want to see the same teams with strong line ups always comes back in the semis and finals. We're too tired seeing those teams as if they're the only teams playing on the league. It's kind of deserving to see that the crowd is empty for every game and even in championships, they're giving free tickets and despite that, not everyone tries to get them even they're no cost at all. It's all about what the fans like and I think it was Coach Yeng Guiao that says that the PBA management should listen to what the fans like and not them. They should be done to their own purposes and they should give it this time to fans or they will see the downfall of PBA. Actually, it's already falling.
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April 28, 2024, 01:15:49 PM
I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?

yeah right, interest even with the bettors will decrease with how the league managements taking care of their live games, just like you mentioned, why bother to bet in a certain events only to find out that the game was alreadt done, it's best for them to take a gambler with how they will bring the fans trust and interest.

If they can add more teams which is not part of the big two franchises or also not a part of the farm team, or like what we are discussing previously about inviting overseas teams which very effective the last time they offer it.

It's more on the adjustments and willingness of the management that may survive the league in terms of fans interest.
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April 28, 2024, 08:19:49 AM
I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.

There are still some but most of them are those who are betting on the games. Actually, they can reach many viewers online like their facebook stream depending on the teams that are playing, if it's Ginebra then that's guaranteed they'll get a good number of viewers.  However, there's a problem with their streaming as it's not really a live telecast but more likely a delayed telecast, that's why people would just choose to watch from the illegal streamers as they provide what people are looking for. Just imagine you are betting on a certain game but what you are watching was a delayed telecast, how can you win?
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April 27, 2024, 05:23:56 PM
That's the fact, only a few watches PBA nowadays and the real fans have stayed but it's not that surprising that many of them have been out too when they're tired seeing the same teams getting in the semis and the finals. IIRC, there's also a promo that they've made about giving free tickets on valentines or this March. I can't remember but it didn't clicked to the public and that's actually a hard pill to swallow for the commissioners and staff of PBA when they're ignored by majority of the Filipino basketball community and it's more fun to watch the other leagues that are emerging nowadays like MPBL and international leagues where there are Filipino players.
They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.
IMHO, they are aware of it and they get it. It's true that it's not about the ticket prices because whatever the cost of it, if the league is handled well. The venues are going to be closely booked and there will be no more scalpers that will take those tickets but even now, the scalpers aren't interested to take part of hoarding tickets. LOL. The farm teams don't really make sense for the league and the commissioners don't do anything with it in their power to control them but it's always money that talks for them.

I agree, it's not all about the ticket prices or other cost in purchasing merch, it's all about people and the supporters are losing interest with them because of repetitive teams playing in the semis, supporters know how the team plays and they can easily predict who will become the winning team, But I don't know if there's still a lot of people still watching them once it was aired on television.
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April 27, 2024, 04:28:52 PM
That's the fact, only a few watches PBA nowadays and the real fans have stayed but it's not that surprising that many of them have been out too when they're tired seeing the same teams getting in the semis and the finals. IIRC, there's also a promo that they've made about giving free tickets on valentines or this March. I can't remember but it didn't clicked to the public and that's actually a hard pill to swallow for the commissioners and staff of PBA when they're ignored by majority of the Filipino basketball community and it's more fun to watch the other leagues that are emerging nowadays like MPBL and international leagues where there are Filipino players.
They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.
IMHO, they are aware of it and they get it. It's true that it's not about the ticket prices because whatever the cost of it, if the league is handled well. The venues are going to be closely booked and there will be no more scalpers that will take those tickets but even now, the scalpers aren't interested to take part of hoarding tickets. LOL. The farm teams don't really make sense for the league and the commissioners don't do anything with it in their power to control them but it's always money that talks for them.
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April 27, 2024, 03:23:05 PM
I wasnt' able to bet on games last night but I could have loss my money if I did.

I'm just guessing on the betting spread last night based on the result.

Converge 93- Ginebra 105

Bossing 113 - Northport 115

I think Northport did not cover the spread, same with Ginebra as my guess they are -14.5 or more vs the struggling Converge.
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April 27, 2024, 02:18:59 AM

They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.

That's a very hard decision to make because PBA is not manage by an independent body, the officers are just put their for formality but in reality it was the SMB and TNT owners that are running the show, they'll put their team and they have to make sure that they will be the most popular teams in the league. It's been going for a while, none of the teams that aren't from those two owners mentioned have a chance to win a championship, they can't deny that anymore.
Though we can’t blame them because they have the money to manipulate the whole league but if they really love PBA, the commissioner should start implementing their rules and be fair, there’s a lot of trust issues with the league already and the result are not that good for them. Imagine, they are the top league before but not it consider as one of the most corrupt league in the Philippines.
They have enjoyed the manipulation before but now they are feeling the result of what they are doing. People are not interested to watch the game anymore so they come up with this market strat to give free tickets using the labor day as its celebration. People won't be fooled by this, some may come but I think the arena would still look empty if it's not ginebra that will be playing, "real talk".
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April 27, 2024, 01:43:23 AM

They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.

That's a very hard decision to make because PBA is not manage by an independent body, the officers are just put their for formality but in reality it was the SMB and TNT owners that are running the show, they'll put their team and they have to make sure that they will be the most popular teams in the league. It's been going for a while, none of the teams that aren't from those two owners mentioned have a chance to win a championship, they can't deny that anymore.
Though we can’t blame them because they have the money to manipulate the whole league but if they really love PBA, the commissioner should start implementing their rules and be fair, there’s a lot of trust issues with the league already and the result are not that good for them. Imagine, they are the top league before but not it consider as one of the most corrupt league in the Philippines.
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April 26, 2024, 11:56:02 PM

They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.

That's a very hard decision to make because PBA is not manage by an independent body, the officers are just put their for formality but in reality it was the SMB and TNT owners that are running the show, they'll put their team and they have to make sure that they will be the most popular teams in the league. It's been going for a while, none of the teams that aren't from those two owners mentioned have a chance to win a championship, they can't deny that anymore.
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April 26, 2024, 11:26:19 PM
Since labor day is approaching, the PBA is going to distribute free tickets to all of the hardworking laborers out there. They've just announced it. So, next week's ticket on May 1 is going to be free as long as you present valid ID and other proofs that you're an employee or laborer.
(https://www.facebook.com/OneSportsPHL/posts/pfbid0idKt5BjqWE6wF96p1NTtH2a7fBUvey5EH9F4UD8xZtYMBWkoCUyoWXZuo6M8D2o5l)
That's great initiative, it's also a way of marketing so people's interest will grow on the PBA league. Because whether they admit it or not, it's pretty obvious that people are not watching PBA anymore. With this free tickets promo, we will see if they'll be able to bring people in the arena and judge from their if that strategy is working.
That's the fact, only a few watches PBA nowadays and the real fans have stayed but it's not that surprising that many of them have been out too when they're tired seeing the same teams getting in the semis and the finals. IIRC, there's also a promo that they've made about giving free tickets on valentines or this March. I can't remember but it didn't clicked to the public and that's actually a hard pill to swallow for the commissioners and staff of PBA when they're ignored by majority of the Filipino basketball community and it's more fun to watch the other leagues that are emerging nowadays like MPBL and international leagues where there are Filipino players.
They don't get it actually, the real problem is not that people can't afford for the tickets but it's the lack of interest because they are not anymore seeing this as a competitive league. (X) all that farm teams, at least for a start and let's see from their if the league's revenue will progress. The next thing to do is eliminate sister teams as we can't prevent people from thinking that sister teams when playing they aren't serious.
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April 26, 2024, 05:30:14 PM
Since labor day is approaching, the PBA is going to distribute free tickets to all of the hardworking laborers out there. They've just announced it. So, next week's ticket on May 1 is going to be free as long as you present valid ID and other proofs that you're an employee or laborer.
(https://www.facebook.com/OneSportsPHL/posts/pfbid0idKt5BjqWE6wF96p1NTtH2a7fBUvey5EH9F4UD8xZtYMBWkoCUyoWXZuo6M8D2o5l)
That's great initiative, it's also a way of marketing so people's interest will grow on the PBA league. Because whether they admit it or not, it's pretty obvious that people are not watching PBA anymore. With this free tickets promo, we will see if they'll be able to bring people in the arena and judge from their if that strategy is working.
That's the fact, only a few watches PBA nowadays and the real fans have stayed but it's not that surprising that many of them have been out too when they're tired seeing the same teams getting in the semis and the finals. IIRC, there's also a promo that they've made about giving free tickets on valentines or this March. I can't remember but it didn't clicked to the public and that's actually a hard pill to swallow for the commissioners and staff of PBA when they're ignored by majority of the Filipino basketball community and it's more fun to watch the other leagues that are emerging nowadays like MPBL and international leagues where there are Filipino players.
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April 26, 2024, 02:24:45 PM
About the SMB vs Magnolia, I thought it was another blowout win by SMB but Magnolia did come back after a huge deficit, IIRC, that was 20 more or less, and now it's just a single digit lead for SMB in the 4th quarter. This game is very exciting.

Yes, they were able to come back in the game and even keep it as close to 1 point only, but as we have seen in the game, the 4th quarter was a difference maker as JMF got aggressive and their 3 point shooting worked perfectly. CJ and Chris Ross have made them paid in that area because they need to double JMF and that would result to a kick out pass.

Paul Lee actually had a great game here with 23 points but they probably miss the service of Jio Jalalon in the defensive end as he didn't play in this game.
That's the problem with SMB even you manage to play good defense against JMF once he kicks the ball out he will always find a shooters that can damage you, you need to rotate as fast as you can, though that rally really gives the fans enjoyment as Magnolia fought well and did try everything that they can to keep the game close, just so happen that SMB is a fully composed squad which have every position to create a damage, still undefeated with a healthy selection on their squad.
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