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Quote from: Distinctin on June 30, 2024, 08:45:36 AM

So I was looking for the betting odds for Gergia vs Philippines but it's not yet available, maybe I'm too early because the game will be on July 4, 2024, so still few more days although the Olympic qualifier will commence on July 2. As i was checking, I see this article on the list of schedules. and also see the teams that are already qualified.

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The winners of each OQT will join the eight teams already qualified for Paris 2024:

France
USA
Canada
Australia
South Sudan
Japan
Serbia
Germany

So Japan already in the list, it's the only Asian country that has qualified, who knows Philippines will be added.

Yes they are in the list because they have win games during the FIBA world cup.
This team have improved a lot since they already have 2 NBA players, Rui Hachimura and Yuta Watanabe.. while the Philippines at the present line up, we don't have any, unless Clarkson will play, but he'd rather not because the current Gilas team are doing well already.

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Do you think we have a chance? (yes/no)

of course, just be optimistic, we might even qualify in the Olympics. Just trust Tim Cone as he'll do some magic.

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So I was looking for the betting odds for Gergia vs Philippines but it's not yet available, maybe I'm too early because the game will be on July 4, 2024, so still few more days although the Olympic qualifier will commence on July 2. As i was checking, I see this article on the list of schedules. and also see the teams that are already qualified.

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The winners of each OQT will join the eight teams already qualified for Paris 2024:

France
USA
Canada
Australia
South Sudan
Japan
Serbia
Germany

So Japan already in the list, it's the only Asian country that has qualified, who knows Philippines will be added.

Do you think we have a chance? (yes/no)

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 29, 2024, 05:41:08 PM

Gilas made us proud with just a 2-point game against a team ranked number 15 in the FIBA world standings. That's impressive.

But that was Gilas trying to come back. IIRC, Poland's lead reached as high as 20 points, but Gilas had a strong run that gave a scare to the home team. I can't believe that Gilas has improved this much. Although some comments mention they don't move the ball well and lack a true PG, Ramos is not a true PG, so there's a problem with ball movement. However, Ramos was really clutch, making shot after shot to stage the comeback. It was him and Brownlee who carried Gilas on their backs.

I don't know if we can win in the actual game in the qualifier, but based on the last two games, I see there's a possibility.

Quote from: Distinctin on June 29, 2024, 05:41:08 PM

Kai's value was evident in that game. His presence in the paint made it difficult for Poland to attack easily. Just like in the last tune-up game, it was the opponent's great 3-point shooting that hurt Gilas. Overall, it was a good performance because it was a close game. I love their improvement. They fell short, but that's fine because it was already close. With just a little fine-tuning, especially on the FT side, they'll get it next time.

I guess they are well prepared now for the qualifiers. Good luck to Gilas.

Kai has to be aggressive, like he played in the last two games. Blocking shots is not enough. He needs to be a threat on offense as well. I see that he is getting more confident with his shots. Hopefully, that's a wake-up call for him, and he'll do even better in the first game of the qualifier.

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Gilas made us proud with just a 2-point game against a team ranked number 15 in the FIBA world standings. That's impressive.

Kai's value was evident in that game. His presence in the paint made it difficult for Poland to attack easily. Just like in the last tune-up game, it was the opponent's great 3-point shooting that hurt Gilas. Overall, it was a good performance because it was a close game. I love their improvement. They fell short, but that's fine because it was already close. With just a little fine-tuning, especially on the FT side, they'll get it next time.

I guess they are well prepared now for the qualifiers. Good luck to Gilas.

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Quote from: goaldigger on June 29, 2024, 02:46:49 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on June 29, 2024, 02:11:33 PM

They gave it all and almost upset Poland, just fell short of time but it really an interesting game for PH Nationals, the adjustments are working for them and the rotation gives them the game play that they needed, hopefully they will continue to developed and bring this type of game system in an actual game for the qualifying match.

That was a good match actually and of course that can help boost the morale of the team. I can see the coaching staff is working very hard right now to meet the expectation of the Filipinos. We all know how big deal the basketball is in our country, and I just hope that we support them more instead of bashing them. Let’s hope that those tune up games will pay off.

Gilas is really something now, they're really great and to think that Poland has a high ranking, that means we can really compete.

82-80, just a 2 point win by Poland, I guess some might have expected this will be a blowout win for the Poland, but the Philippines surprised them.
I'm wondering what was the betting spread for this game, I'm sure fans for the Gilas have won the handicap,, this one was really intense and easy money for the bettors of Gilas. Congratulations to us for this strong effort, despite the loss.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 29, 2024, 02:11:33 PM

They gave it all and almost upset Poland, just fell short of time but it really an interesting game for PH Nationals, the adjustments are working for them and the rotation gives them the game play that they needed, hopefully they will continue to developed and bring this type of game system in an actual game for the qualifying match.

That was a good match actually and of course that can help boost the morale of the team. I can see the coaching staff is working very hard right now to meet the expectation of the Filipinos. We all know how big deal the basketball is in our country, and I just hope that we support them more instead of bashing them. Let’s hope that those tune up games will pay off.

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Quote from: blockman on June 28, 2024, 02:47:53 PM

I agree, this is better than what we're expecting and as this tune up game really will help the Gilas to experience further and more adjustments to come before the actual Olympic qualifying games. The roster is perfect and if there are negative comments from the fans, just don't be distracted with that. The team, the coaching staff and the players are all doing their best and they're actually doing a good job, they are there to win and they want it badly just as how we fans and kababayans want it.

This is indeed the reality, more than the fans, it's the players and the managements who wanted to win badly, they are playing to make the country proud, and with what we are witnessing right now, they are in the right directions just some adjustments that needed in terms of defense especially those big man who are playing outside that adjustments is really needed to fill out, we need those young stars to use their speed to rotate they need cover those defense if ever JMF or Kai has been outrun those young star like KQ or KT both have the height who can give that tight defense for those outside shots.

Our shooters need to be sharp and for the defense, they need to attend to that because it's known that most teams have got their best shooters. Or a harder opponent is that most of their players can shoot outside. And with that, they need to take note of that which is surely on their books already, just a good rotation and can't deny that this version of Gilas is doing it. <3

Yup, and they show it up very close game against Poland almost a win but fell short of time only 2 points but PH National give a hard fought and for sure Poland got surprise with how the Nationals take the challenge, a very close game and an almost a blowout but that last minute rally really give some hope lucky for those bettors as if I heard it right handicap is +12.5 or more not really sure.

Quote from: Maslate on June 29, 2024, 06:57:58 AM

So the Philippines will have their last tune-up game against Poland, which is ranked number 15 in the FIBA world rankings and considered a stronger team than Turkey. If Gilas has learned from their previous game, they should perform better this time. If they can make it a close and interesting game, I believe their chances against Georgia and Latvia will be promising.

So the game will be tomorrow but in order to be able to watch it, we need to be awake by ;

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Sunday, 12 midnight Philippine time

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/gilas-pilipinas-faces-jeremy-sochan-poland-in-final-tune-up-before-oqt-a795-20240629?ref=home_feed_1

They gave it all and almost upset Poland, just fell short of time but it really an interesting game for PH Nationals, the adjustments are working for them and the rotation gives them the game play that they needed, hopefully they will continue to developed and bring this type of game system in an actual game for the qualifying match.

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So the Philippines will have their last tune-up game against Poland, which is ranked number 15 in the FIBA world rankings and considered a stronger team than Turkey. If Gilas has learned from their previous game, they should perform better this time. If they can make it a close and interesting game, I believe their chances against Georgia and Latvia will be promising.

So the game will be tomorrow but in order to be able to watch it, we need to be awake by ;

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Sunday, 12 midnight Philippine time

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/gilas-pilipinas-faces-jeremy-sochan-poland-in-final-tune-up-before-oqt-a795-20240629?ref=home_feed_1

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2024, 11:07:39 PM

Quote from: blockman on June 28, 2024, 02:47:53 PM

I agree, this is better than what we're expecting and as this tune up game really will help the Gilas to experience further and more adjustments to come before the actual Olympic qualifying games. The roster is perfect and if there are negative comments from the fans, just don't be distracted with that. The team, the coaching staff and the players are all doing their best and they're actually doing a good job, they are there to win and they want it badly just as how we fans and kababayans want it.

This is indeed the reality, more than the fans, it's the players and the managements who wanted to win badly, they are playing to make the country proud, and with what we are witnessing right now, they are in the right directions just some adjustments that needed in terms of defense especially those big man who are playing outside that adjustments is really needed to fill out, we need those young stars to use their speed to rotate they need cover those defense if ever JMF or Kai has been outrun those young star like KQ or KT both have the height who can give that tight defense for those outside shots.

Our shooters need to be sharp and for the defense, they need to attend to that because it's known that most teams have got their best shooters. Or a harder opponent is that most of their players can shoot outside. And with that, they need to take note of that which is surely on their books already, just a good rotation and can't deny that this version of Gilas is doing it. <3

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Quote from: blockman on June 28, 2024, 02:47:53 PM

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They've lost against Turkey but I can say that they're able to against them in a hand to hand from most of the quarters not until 4th quarter. The Gilas is doing fine and the next one will be up against Poland. I think that we're getting a positive sentiment with our Gilas roster, they just need to be more prepared for guarding on the three point lines as most of the EU teams have got a lot of shooters and they don't play inside a lot since this is the kind of basketball they play.

With that experienced against Turkey I'm sure adjustments in playing good defense outside will be noted, like what you said EU basketball type of game is more on outside as even the big man are shooting outside, if not for those converted 3's it might be much closer or possible an upset take place, just not for team PH as Turkey manage to pullover in the last few minutes of the game.

But, for me it's good to see our big man really pushing their ways inside looking for mismatch and take the shots without fearing being block.

I agree, this is better than what we're expecting and as this tune up game really will help the Gilas to experience further and more adjustments to come before the actual Olympic qualifying games. The roster is perfect and if there are negative comments from the fans, just don't be distracted with that. The team, the coaching staff and the players are all doing their best and they're actually doing a good job, they are there to win and they want it badly just as how we fans and kababayans want it.

This is indeed the reality, more than the fans, it's the players and the managements who wanted to win badly, they are playing to make the country proud, and with what we are witnessing right now, they are in the right directions just some adjustments that needed in terms of defense especially those big man who are playing outside that adjustments is really needed to fill out, we need those young stars to use their speed to rotate they need cover those defense if ever JMF or Kai has been outrun those young star like KQ or KT both have the height who can give that tight defense for those outside shots.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2024, 06:01:51 AM

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They've lost against Turkey but I can say that they're able to against them in a hand to hand from most of the quarters not until 4th quarter. The Gilas is doing fine and the next one will be up against Poland. I think that we're getting a positive sentiment with our Gilas roster, they just need to be more prepared for guarding on the three point lines as most of the EU teams have got a lot of shooters and they don't play inside a lot since this is the kind of basketball they play.

With that experienced against Turkey I'm sure adjustments in playing good defense outside will be noted, like what you said EU basketball type of game is more on outside as even the big man are shooting outside, if not for those converted 3's it might be much closer or possible an upset take place, just not for team PH as Turkey manage to pullover in the last few minutes of the game.

But, for me it's good to see our big man really pushing their ways inside looking for mismatch and take the shots without fearing being block.

I agree, this is better than what we're expecting and as this tune up game really will help the Gilas to experience further and more adjustments to come before the actual Olympic qualifying games. The roster is perfect and if there are negative comments from the fans, just don't be distracted with that. The team, the coaching staff and the players are all doing their best and they're actually doing a good job, they are there to win and they want it badly just as how we fans and kababayans want it.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 28, 2024, 07:40:34 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2024, 06:01:51 AM

But, for me it's good to see our big man really pushing their ways inside looking for mismatch and take the shots without fearing being block.

JMF showed he can compete with the big man. During the FIBA world cup, he even compete with KAT, how much more these guys who are just tall but not as big as KAT.

Indeed and he keeps improving with what we witnesss during that game against Turkey he shows great movements inside, in our term " Nakikipagkaldagan" which is really effective just like you mentioned he already deal with it competing against a NBA star and now he will be playing against those bigs for sure it will be a great experience for him and Kai as PH team will rely to both of them inside.

Just need to add more confidence outside as players from EU are more on outside shooting we need to adopt and adjust.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2024, 06:01:51 AM

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Quote from: Japinat on June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM

You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

They've lost against Turkey but I can say that they're able to against them in a hand to hand from most of the quarters not until 4th quarter. The Gilas is doing fine and the next one will be up against Poland. I think that we're getting a positive sentiment with our Gilas roster, they just need to be more prepared for guarding on the three point lines as most of the EU teams have got a lot of shooters and they don't play inside a lot since this is the kind of basketball they play.

With that experienced against Turkey I'm sure adjustments in playing good defense outside will be noted, like what you said EU basketball type of game is more on outside as even the big man are shooting outside, if not for those converted 3's it might be much closer or possible an upset take place, just not for team PH as Turkey manage to pullover in the last few minutes of the game.

Yes, they made their shots from the outside, which was key to their win. It's rare to see a bigger team not attacking the paint to take advantage of their size edge. However, as you've mentioned, the game has changed now as even big men know how to shoot from outside, and they wouldn't use that strategy if they weren't confident in their shooting. I think more pressure defense is needed next time. They should rotate faster when there's a switch to better defend against outside shooters.

Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2024, 06:01:51 AM

But, for me it's good to see our big man really pushing their ways inside looking for mismatch and take the shots without fearing being block.

JMF showed he can compete with the big man. During the FIBA world cup, he even compete with KAT, how much more these guys who are just tall but not as big as KAT.

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Quote from: blockman on June 28, 2024, 05:23:50 AM

Quote from: Japinat on June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM

You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

They've lost against Turkey but I can say that they're able to against them in a hand to hand from most of the quarters not until 4th quarter. The Gilas is doing fine and the next one will be up against Poland. I think that we're getting a positive sentiment with our Gilas roster, they just need to be more prepared for guarding on the three point lines as most of the EU teams have got a lot of shooters and they don't play inside a lot since this is the kind of basketball they play.

With that experienced against Turkey I'm sure adjustments in playing good defense outside will be noted, like what you said EU basketball type of game is more on outside as even the big man are shooting outside, if not for those converted 3's it might be much closer or possible an upset take place, just not for team PH as Turkey manage to pullover in the last few minutes of the game.

But, for me it's good to see our big man really pushing their ways inside looking for mismatch and take the shots without fearing being block.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM

You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

They've lost against Turkey but I can say that they're able to against them in a hand to hand from most of the quarters not until 4th quarter. The Gilas is doing fine and the next one will be up against Poland. I think that we're getting a positive sentiment with our Gilas roster, they just need to be more prepared for guarding on the three point lines as most of the EU teams have got a lot of shooters and they don't play inside a lot since this is the kind of basketball they play.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 28, 2024, 02:49:31 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 27, 2024, 09:43:53 PM

Watch only the highlights of that friendly game against Turkey and you were right, that was a well fought game by our Gilas team as it was a competitive game until the fourth quarter. It was surprising for me that Junemar Fajardo scored 17 points in that game while Kai Sotto which i expected to score more was limited to just a single digit points. Though i expect them to lose against Latvia but i hope they will fight like they did against Turkey.

Is there any site where we can see the box score? Like you, I wasn't able to watch the game, but I'm interested in seeing who among the players in Gilas contributed well. Thanks for bringing up JMF; that guy has really improved. He developed his shooting, so it's not a surprise that he scored 17 points. Maybe he was the top scorer?

I saw Brownlee played well too, so I guess they are alright. At least against a strong team, we were able to compete, but we just fell into problems in the 4th quarter because of our defense. Turkey has been shooting pretty well outside, so that's the big difference. But you can always be impressed with the effort of the Philippines in defense against a taller team.

This is just a tune-up game, so it will be different in the actual games because this Turkey team does not have their complete roster. We all know they have NBA players. If they played, it could have been a blowout win for them.

Our team is good, but it's really hard for them to be competitive against European teams. Hopefully, they'll consider adding a Brownlee-like player. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I read a rumor that if Clarkson, Green, and Brownlee played together, this would be a hell of a team.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 27, 2024, 09:43:53 PM

Watch only the highlights of that friendly game against Turkey and you were right, that was a well fought game by our Gilas team as it was a competitive game until the fourth quarter. It was surprising for me that Junemar Fajardo scored 17 points in that game while Kai Sotto which i expected to score more was limited to just a single digit points. Though i expect them to lose against Latvia but i hope they will fight like they did against Turkey.

Is there any site where we can see the box score? Like you, I wasn't able to watch the game, but I'm interested in seeing who among the players in Gilas contributed well. Thanks for bringing up JMF; that guy has really improved. He developed his shooting, so it's not a surprise that he scored 17 points. Maybe he was the top scorer?

I saw Brownlee played well too, so I guess they are alright. At least against a strong team, we were able to compete, but we just fell into problems in the 4th quarter because of our defense. Turkey has been shooting pretty well outside, so that's the big difference. But you can always be impressed with the effort of the Philippines in defense against a taller team.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 27, 2024, 09:43:53 PM

Quote from: Japinat on June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM

You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

Watch only the highlights of that friendly game against Turkey and you were right, that was a well fought game by our Gilas team as it was a competitive game until the fourth quarter. It was surprising for me that Junemar Fajardo scored 17 points in that game while Kai Sotto which i expected to score more was limited to just a single digit points.

Kai Sotto was only limited because he was in foul trouble, but Kai is not as smart as JMF so we can't really so much from him in terms of points. That was really a good game considering how good Turkey is, and I think we can just continue to bet on the handicap if we want to win. As what my friend shared to me, the handicap was +11.5, which means Gilas were able to cover it.

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Though i expect them to lose against Latvia but i hope they will fight like they did against Turkey.

We have a better chance with Georgia, but a slim chance with Latvia.

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Quote from: Japinat on June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM

You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

Watch only the highlights of that friendly game against Turkey and you were right, that was a well fought game by our Gilas team as it was a competitive game until the fourth quarter. It was surprising for me that Junemar Fajardo scored 17 points in that game while Kai Sotto which i expected to score more was limited to just a single digit points. Though i expect them to lose against Latvia but i hope they will fight like they did against Turkey.

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You watched this tune up game?

Gilas Pilipinas loses to Turkey in well-fought Istanbul friendly

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen
Turkey is ranked 24, 1 lower than Georgia, so this already is a good test on our chance against Georgia. Although we lose but it was a well fought game because we weren't dominated that much. Still a good job by our team, hopefully they'll improve and correct their lapses in that game. I'm just gonna watch the highlights now as that game was too early.

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