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Quote from: Russlenat on April 01, 2021, 05:12:24 PM

Count on Vic Manuel to attempt more three-pointers at Phoenix

If this will be successful, it's going ot be a more improve Vic Manuel.

I believe they are trying to make him like Justin Chua, a big man who can shoot 3s but haven't really seen Manuel making a lot of 3 points shots in his old team.

A player that is very strong at the paint and at the same time, a good three point shooter? Hello Giannis or Hello AD Cheesy

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Well, this will be a big improvement for him if he will try to pull this one out in the league. We already know that despite of his height disadvantage over other bigs in the league, he is a great player inside the paint that is why he is "Muscle Man".

As per my opinion, the roster of Phoenix has already bigs that can shoot threes such as Perkins, Chua and Manuel if he will be. Like @vaculin said, he can just stay at the paint and just generate points out there and shooting threes for him isn't necessary since we saw him dominating the paint many times already all throughout his career but can't blame if the team wants him to shoot threes then so be it. Lets just see if this will be a success or a fail.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 01, 2021, 05:12:24 PM

Count on Vic Manuel to attempt more three-pointers at Phoenix

If this will be successful, it's going ot be a more improve Vic Manuel.

I believe they are trying to make him like Justin Chua, a big man who can shoot 3s but haven't really seen Manuel making a lot of 3 points shots in his old team.

This would not be easy and I really think that Manuel's strength is inside so I guess he should take more shots inside than outside. if they want to be unpredictable, they should have a good players inside and outside, Perkins himself can shoot 3s and can play the inside but Manuel is different, he is just a veteran could can muscle his way inside to generate a points, that's why he is called the muscle man.

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Count on Vic Manuel to attempt more three-pointers at Phoenix

If this will be successful, it's going ot be a more improve Vic Manuel.

I believe they are trying to make him like Justin Chua, a big man who can shoot 3s but haven't really seen Manuel making a lot of 3 points shots in his old team.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 01, 2021, 07:36:05 AM

New NLEX player Trollano hopes to win another title with old coach, former teammates

Big dream! With the current line up of the NLEX, I doubt they will win a championship, oven reach the championship.
There best chance is only a conference with imports, not in the all Filipino cup.

The current lineup is not yet blended well, against those heavy favorites, BGSM,SMB, TNT and now Purefoods after acquiring Abueva.
NLEX needs more firepower though who knows with the possible bubble setup we can't conclude which team will dominate.

With Trollano, maybe he can bring some good sparks knowing how he's former coach works he can easily adjust.

Trollana always play well regardless of what team he is playing, let's give him a chance, he maybe is hungry for a championship as I believe he does has not won any. Trollona is a hard working guy, he played with good defense and can also contribute to the team in offense, and Coach Yeng would not get him sign if he does not think he can help the team on their campaign to win a championship.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 01, 2021, 05:35:10 AM

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Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

It will take time, knowing how bad the economy has been hit by this pandemic. The leauge unable to collect their target and yes, if this same setup (bubble type) it's unrealistic to cover that amount.

But there's no other option if they push this season, they'll be forced to use the same as last season. Better
than nothing though, we are all hoping for the best and for the season to start whatever setup the boards will use.

They also have the option to move the opening but that's probably not going to happen. They can always change their decision and put the best that they can.
If it's not possible, then they only have to tell and everyone will understand it. But I think, things have been set and we just have to wait what shall be the setup.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 01, 2021, 07:36:05 AM

New NLEX player Trollano hopes to win another title with old coach, former teammates

Big dream! With the current line up of the NLEX, I doubt they will win a championship, oven reach the championship.
There best chance is only a conference with imports, not in the all Filipino cup.

The current lineup is not yet blended well, against those heavy favorites, BGSM,SMB, TNT and now Purefoods after acquiring Abueva.
NLEX needs more firepower though who knows with the possible bubble setup we can't conclude which team will dominate.

With Trollano, maybe he can bring some good sparks knowing how he's former coach works he can easily adjust.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 01, 2021, 05:39:03 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 01, 2021, 05:35:10 AM

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 31, 2021, 08:08:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

It will take time, knowing how bad the economy has been hit by this pandemic. The leauge unable to collect their target and yes, if this same setup (bubble type) it's unrealistic to cover that amount.

But there's no other option if they push this season, they'll be forced to use the same as last season. Better
than nothing though, we are all hoping for the best and for the season to start whatever setup the boards will use.

Let's remain optimistic, let's hope that in the 2nd half of the year things will be normal again, though its unlikely but who knows maybe it will happen. Vaccine is available and ECQ are already in place again, so there's a big possibility that covid-19 cases will dropped as people are slowly getting the vaccine.

If vaccine will successfully rolled out then provably the 2nd half target will come true but if not and the cases still will rise the new variant is now spreading fast in Philippines maybe we can see the league start on late months of this year. Lets just see if the cases will subside so that the new conference will open up.

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New NLEX player Trollano hopes to win another title with old coach, former teammates

Big dream! With the current line up of the NLEX, I doubt they will win a championship, oven reach the championship.
There best chance is only a conference with imports, not in the all Filipino cup.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 01, 2021, 05:35:10 AM

Quote from: blockman on April 01, 2021, 05:16:04 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 31, 2021, 08:08:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

It will take time, knowing how bad the economy has been hit by this pandemic. The leauge unable to collect their target and yes, if this same setup (bubble type) it's unrealistic to cover that amount.

But there's no other option if they push this season, they'll be forced to use the same as last season. Better
than nothing though, we are all hoping for the best and for the season to start whatever setup the boards will use.

Let's remain optimistic, let's hope that in the 2nd half of the year things will be normal again, though its unlikely but who knows maybe it will happen. Vaccine is available and ECQ are already in place again, so there's a big possibility that covid-19 cases will dropped as people are slowly getting the vaccine.

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Quote from: blockman on April 01, 2021, 05:16:04 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 31, 2021, 08:08:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

It will take time, knowing how bad the economy has been hit by this pandemic. The leauge unable to collect their target and yes, if this same setup (bubble type) it's unrealistic to cover that amount.

But there's no other option if they push this season, they'll be forced to use the same as last season. Better
than nothing though, we are all hoping for the best and for the season to start whatever setup the boards will use.

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Quote from: blockman on April 01, 2021, 05:16:04 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on March 31, 2021, 08:08:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

I hope things will be normal this year, and hopefully they will fast track the release of vaccine so everyone will receive a vaccine and slowly we will get back to normal. Some country are already moving ahead of us, we were too complacent that's the rate is increasing but the vaccine is not coming faster than we expected.

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Quote from: Russlenat on March 31, 2021, 08:08:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

Their sponsors were also badly hit by the pandemic and also catching up with the same situation. Too bad but it's understandable that everybody is dealing with the hardship made by the pandemic. But soon this shall pass and everything is going to come back normal again.
I'm sure that when things go back to normal, they will definitely watch a live match if it's already allowed.

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Even some players understood that PBA will likely be into a bubble again.

Ahanmisi willing to go through 'mentally tough' PBA bubble again just to play

Actually I liked this guy, I hope he is not fully healthy and he can get back to his old self.

Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 06:29:12 PM

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

Huge target and I think that will be unrealistic if the set up is a bubble again.

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Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 05:22:31 PM

Since we talked about expenses, I searched a bit. Based on reports, the league spends Php 65 Million last year, 2020, to cover all the expenses of the bubble operation within 2 months.

Last 2019, P435 million was their income. I can't find a source on how much they profit last year, maybe we can just do some speculation that maybe around half?

And according to them, live streams prior to the pandemic becomes hype as they gather up to 3 Million viewers last 2019. It means, even without an audience, they can still get a good number of people watching right from their home. Still on profits if they will be bubble again this year but not on their usual. Better than 0 revenue at all and there's no money coming in.

As speculation, I think you can have it up to 1/4 of that total amount or even to 1/8 since the pandemic has occurred. As long as they will be able to cover the expenses and with a profit, they can do the setup.
But it's still one awaited decision if they'll go on a bubble again or it would be the normal setup again but without audiences.

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Quote from: Sanitough on March 30, 2021, 05:29:57 PM

@harizen, I'm just curious how they make money from live stream, or how much they will make since live stream is free and they are only using a facebook platform. Was the amount enough to cover the expenses? I know there are some advertisers too, but in total, can they sustain the operation?

Honestly, I don't have much of that info but in terms of sustaining the operation, yes they can because of their big revenue way back a few years. It's now being used to cover future operations but we don't know how long it will last.

Prior pandemic, the league revenue is seen increasing year by year. It's just 1 conference that they operate in the bubble so I think it didn't fully harm yet the money on their reserves. Php 65M expenses last year should be just a piece of candy to them.

It's unfortunate that they are expecting a target of Php 640M last year but a pandemic happened:
https://www.philstar.com/sports/2020/02/01/1989554/pba-projects-income-p640-million

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@harizen, I'm just curious how they make money from live stream, or how much they will make since live stream is free and they are only using a facebook platform. Was the amount enough to cover the expenses? I know there are some advertisers too, but in total, can they sustain the operation?

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Since we talked about expenses, I searched a bit. Based on reports, the league spends Php 65 Million last year, 2020, to cover all the expenses of the bubble operation within 2 months.

Last 2019, P435 million was their income. I can't find a source on how much they profit last year, maybe we can just do some speculation that maybe around half?

And according to them, live streams prior to the pandemic becomes hype as they gather up to 3 Million viewers last 2019. It means, even without an audience, they can still get a good number of people watching right from their home. Still on profits if they will be bubble again this year but not on their usual. Better than 0 revenue at all and there's no money coming in.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 30, 2021, 04:57:30 PM

Of course they can set up the bubble again, but are they still profitable doing this?

I mean, this could be a whole season with different conference, and one year is long to be playing without audience, well, I hope I'm wrong with what I have in mind, and hopefully they can still survive and will continue to operate profitably despite of minimal revenue due using the bubble set up.

You missed the last part of my post. I already said that even it's a bubble or not, there's still no audience allowed. Therefore, profits are still expected to be minimal. The original plan of opening the PBA on Ynares doesn't allow any live audience.

I'm searching for a post that Marcial said before that they can sustain a bubble set up for 2 seasons because their goal is to bring enjoyment to all their fans as they understand to become stuck at home for long or something like that. And they just did a 1 conference last year instead of 3 conference so I think they can really sustain operations even with minimal profits on the next bubble setup.

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Quote from: harizen on March 30, 2021, 03:26:10 PM

Quote from: blockman on March 30, 2021, 02:48:26 PM

But if they don't like that setup anymore, they can have it on a daily routine to have a swab test or antigen test a few hours or a day before a game is about to start. That's just going to give them assurance that as the season starts, there's no worry on it.

Regular testing is one of the main concerns back in planning to make a bubble setup for the first time. Other teams can't afford to do it on a regular basis as it was really expensive. If my memory serves me right, there are a total of 15-20 individuals per team allowed in the bubble (players, staff, coaches, etc) so just do the Math based on the average cost of testing. That's why COVID is really business as others says lol.

And not just that, another problem is, even they want a bubble setup, other players are allowed to opt-out if they don't want to play.

It's a hard decision for them to make as the scheduled date is approaching for the start of this season. Yeah, it's expensive for them to do it regularly, I thought that they have a bigger budget on it but everyone really is struggling on this crisis even these huge companies and franchises that are part of it. Another solution is to them to import the vaccines for all of their staff and players because the government has allowed private institutions to import it.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 30, 2021, 04:53:41 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on March 30, 2021, 02:40:49 PM

Another bubble just to make sure that the league will proceed to this season, I agree that this pandemic is not going anywhere too soon. Wit a lots of numbers of new cases it will take much longer time.

You are right. Not a negative here but I see pandemic will still be here the whole year. No other choice but to do the bubble setup again.

Since even it won't be a bubble setup, audiences are still not allowed, no changes at all. The league already did this before so if there's a change or will be added, they can manage it properly without a problem. They can do it again on Clark.

Of course they can set up the bubble again, but are they still profitable doing this?

I mean, this could be a whole season with different conference, and one year is long to be playing without audience, well, I hope I'm wrong with what I have in mind, and hopefully they can still survive and will continue to operate profitably despite of minimal revenue due using the bubble set up.

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