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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 24, 2020, 04:39:11 PM

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I just hope that there will be no more changes on the current roster of NorthPort at least at the core. The management should rebuild the team around Cstand, Bolick and Anthony.

Aside from BGSM and SMB, these is my 3rd bet in winning in the Philippine Cup because if their roster. They are one of the best rosters right now in PH cup.

I just hope that they will not make stupid decisions again within the season because it is good already. Cstand, Anthony, Bollick and the rest will help them.

Anyway, are you somewhat lonely like me that we can't watch any PBA games right now Cheesy

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Quote from: Finestream on April 24, 2020, 06:32:10 PM

Anyway, they can actually improve if they want to, hopefully the problem is not on the coaching staff too as Romeo and Pringle are really doing better now on their respective team.

I'm not sure why Romeo left the team. Maybe its because he isn't happy already on that team that is why they choose to trade him.

With regards to Pringle, I think the reason why they traded him is because of the fight between him and his coach way back 2017-2018 I think.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 24, 2020, 04:39:11 PM

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What is your opinion about this one?

Robert Bolick wants to accomplish what Romeo, Pringle failed to do at NorthPort

Bollick trying to prove something, will his confidence be able to help the Northport succeed?
Romeo and Pringle are two of the best players in the PBA now, Bollick seems to be setting a very high goal here.

NorthPort has been regarded as a farm team of the SMC group of companies because of the way the treat their players. How come you traded the likes of Pringle in exchange for a little worth of a value. I hope things will change upon the arrival of Cstand, the most promising player Batang Pier ever had.

With Cstand and Sean Anthony healthy, Bolick's statement of getting that PBA crown is of high probability specially in this Philippine Cup where it is a wide open race while JMF is out. If only he is healthy on the previous Governor's Cup, i think they would give a good fight against Ginebra.

I just hope that there will be no more changes on the current roster of NorthPort at least at the core. The management should rebuild the team around Cstand, Bolick and Anthony.

Not much to rely on to get into the Finals, but let's see, for me, these three are also good but only Cstand is the most consistent player among the 3. Anyway, they can actually improve if they want to, hopefully the problem is not on the coaching staff too as Romeo and Pringle are really doing better now on their respective team.

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Quote from: Vaculin on April 24, 2020, 09:07:12 AM

What is your opinion about this one?

Robert Bolick wants to accomplish what Romeo, Pringle failed to do at NorthPort

Bollick trying to prove something, will his confidence be able to help the Northport succeed?
Romeo and Pringle are two of the best players in the PBA now, Bollick seems to be setting a very high goal here.

NorthPort has been regarded as a farm team of the SMC group of companies because of the way the treat their players. How come you traded the likes of Pringle in exchange for a little worth of a value. I hope things will change upon the arrival of Cstand, the most promising player Batang Pier ever had.

With Cstand and Sean Anthony healthy, Bolick's statement of getting that PBA crown is of high probability specially in this Philippine Cup where it is a wide open race while JMF is out. If only he is healthy on the previous Governor's Cup, i think they would give a good fight against Ginebra.

I just hope that there will be no more changes on the current roster of NorthPort at least at the core. The management should rebuild the team around Cstand, Bolick and Anthony.

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Quote from: harizen on April 24, 2020, 09:28:35 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on April 24, 2020, 09:07:12 AM

What is your opinion about this one?

Robert Bolick wants to accomplish what Romeo, Pringle failed to do at NorthPort

Bollick trying to prove something, will his confidence be able to help the Northport succeed?
Romeo and Pringle are two of the best players in the PBA now, Bollick seems to be setting a very high goal here.

If that's his mission, then so be it and hoping for his success. That's a big statement and he also involved 2 NorthPort former top players which aren't actually necessary.

And coming from an ACL injury, I really hope Bolick will come back to his shape. That injury is not a joke as even his mind is really determined to push for the goal, his body might not cooperate at 100% in the process.

NorthPort basketball team operation should also do their best to surround their key players with good supporting players. They are always behind in terms of overall team performance for years.

When Romeo, and Pringle failed to do it so then how he can. I am not against this guy but what he wants to accomplish is something that requires a good team, good coaching and not a single player alone. I just wish that this loyalty he has for his team may last long till he achieve his dream championship, and I appreciate his ambition. You know, someone can easily be swayed by money, and sometime someone can be traded off for a couple of good players.

Quote from: https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/robert-bolick-eyes-pba-crown-with-northport-batang-pier-a795-20200424?ref=home_hybrid_1

I think we can make a run. May dalawang big kami. May banger kami – si Kelly at Christian. I think we can make a run for the championship.

I want to highlight his statement. On contrary, again, he needs a good coach, players rotation (since they can't play all time long, they get gassed out either), playstyle specially in playoffs since the game isn't about how good the players are it's team game, after all. Anyway I just hope he get what he want but I am still rooting for TNT.

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Quote from: Vaculin on April 24, 2020, 09:07:12 AM

What is your opinion about this one?

Robert Bolick wants to accomplish what Romeo, Pringle failed to do at NorthPort

Bollick trying to prove something, will his confidence be able to help the Northport succeed?
Romeo and Pringle are two of the best players in the PBA now, Bollick seems to be setting a very high goal here.

If that's his mission, then so be it and hoping for his success. That's a big statement and he also involved 2 NorthPort former top players which aren't actually necessary.

And coming from an ACL injury, I really hope Bolick will come back to his shape. That injury is not a joke as even his mind is really determined to push for the goal, his body might not cooperate at 100% in the process.

NorthPort basketball team operation should also do their best to surround their key players with good supporting players. They are always behind in terms of overall team performance for years.

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What is your opinion about this one?

Robert Bolick wants to accomplish what Romeo, Pringle failed to do at NorthPort

Bollick trying to prove something, will his confidence be able to help the Northport succeed?
Romeo and Pringle are two of the best players in the PBA now, Bollick seems to be setting a very high goal here.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 21, 2020, 04:11:06 PM

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Do you think guys, he can make it this season?

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/ray-parks-defensive-player-of-the-year-goal-a795-20200420?ref=feed_1_section

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Ray Parks vows to put in work as he eyes Defensive Player of the Year award

I think he can't focus on his offense if he is focus on getting the defensive player award as it would consume a lot of energy and focus as well.
Ray Parks is a good scorer, and I think that's what TNT needs now as they don't have a a player that are consistent in attacking the inside and with Ray Parks athleticism, I think he can do that.

It's good to have a goal and i admire him for acknowledging that he is weak in that department. You solve 50% of the problem if you know what it is so i think Parks will work hard on this one, it can't be achieve overnight but at least he is working on it. They have a saying in basketball that "good offense will come with good defense", so i think he won't worry much on his point production.

Ray Park winning the defensive player, the odds are low IMHO.
However, he can still help his team without thinking of winning the award, it's kind of individual recognition only, I think he needs to focus on his contribution to the team as TNT has been struggling especially in the elimination as they don't have a lot of players who produce points consistently.

POGOY and Castro are the most consistent, but if castro would score much, he might sacrifice his passing so they need Ray Parks to produce consistent points.

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IMHO, i think he should also do something about his attitude. He's too proud IMO.

Attitude for me does not matter as long as he can show it in the court, just like Abueva, he has a tough attitude but he can really help his team to win.

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Quote from: harizen on April 21, 2020, 06:15:10 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on April 20, 2020, 05:44:21 PM

Ranidel De Ocampo indeed contributed a lot to the PBA and of course to the TNT Katropa but it's just unfortunate that he never made it to the top recognition of the oldest league in Asia, the Most Valuable Player. Sad to note and wonder sometimes on whether the PBA is fair on choosing a player for that award. Nelson Asaytono, Jason Castro and RDO, those names are deserving for that award but never made it.

Somehow RDO got 2 Finals MVP. Considered also a top recognition and achievement for any player.

In Season MVP, it's really difficult to compete here since starting from Quarterfinals to Finals, players stats aren't counted anymore. So even a top-performing player of that conference never reached the playoffs, there is always a chance to be named as the PBA Season MVP.

Since you mentioned "fair", I've taken a look at those MVPs during RDO's season (I exclude his Air12 tenure) and I can say that PBA selected "quietly fair" here. Those seasons are the golden days of the likes of Mark Caguiao, JayJay Helterbrand, James Yap and his teammate Jimmy Alapag.

About Nelson Asaytono, yes that was in a discussion for a long-time now. He failed to achieve it and take note, he was nominated 5 times. And much worst, he didn't even include in the top 40 Greatest PBA Players of All-Time. Really a frustration on his side.

Having the title as the Bull and yet never win any of his MVP nominations and taken out from the top 40 greatest players of all time. His career from swift /Sunkist and SMB was brilliant as he dominated but unfortunately he didn't got the chance to named as the league most valuable player.
We don't know whats the criteria back then but if I remember it correctly he have the package to earn one.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 20, 2020, 05:44:21 PM

Ranidel De Ocampo indeed contributed a lot to the PBA and of course to the TNT Katropa but it's just unfortunate that he never made it to the top recognition of the oldest league in Asia, the Most Valuable Player. Sad to note and wonder sometimes on whether the PBA is fair on choosing a player for that award. Nelson Asaytono, Jason Castro and RDO, those names are deserving for that award but never made it.

Somehow RDO got 2 Finals MVP. Considered also a top recognition and achievement for any player.

In Season MVP, it's really difficult to compete here since starting from Quarterfinals to Finals, players stats aren't counted anymore. So even a top-performing player of that conference never reached the playoffs, there is always a chance to be named as the PBA Season MVP.

Since you mentioned "fair", I've taken a look at those MVPs during RDO's season (I exclude his Air12 tenure) and I can say that PBA selected "quietly fair" here. Those seasons are the golden days of the likes of Mark Caguiao, JayJay Helterbrand, James Yap and his teammate Jimmy Alapag.

About Nelson Asaytono, yes that was in a discussion for a long-time now. He failed to achieve it and take note, he was nominated 5 times. And much worst, he didn't even include in the top 40 Greatest PBA Players of All-Time. Really a frustration on his side.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 21, 2020, 04:39:49 AM

Do you think guys, he can make it this season?

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/ray-parks-defensive-player-of-the-year-goal-a795-20200420?ref=feed_1_section

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Ray Parks vows to put in work as he eyes Defensive Player of the Year award

I think he can't focus on his offense if he is focus on getting the defensive player award as it would consume a lot of energy and focus as well.
Ray Parks is a good scorer, and I think that's what TNT needs now as they don't have a a player that are consistent in attacking the inside and with Ray Parks athleticism, I think he can do that.

It's good to have a goal and i admire him for acknowledging that he is weak in that department. You solve 50% of the problem if you know what it is so i think Parks will work hard on this one, it can't be achieve overnight but at least he is working on it. They have a saying in basketball that "good offense will come with good defense", so i think he won't worry much on his point production.

IMHO, i think he should also do something about his attitude. He's too proud IMO.

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Do you think guys, he can make it this season?

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/ray-parks-defensive-player-of-the-year-goal-a795-20200420?ref=feed_1_section

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Ray Parks vows to put in work as he eyes Defensive Player of the Year award

I think he can't focus on his offense if he is focus on getting the defensive player award as it would consume a lot of energy and focus as well.
Ray Parks is a good scorer, and I think that's what TNT needs now as they don't have a a player that are consistent in attacking the inside and with Ray Parks athleticism, I think he can do that.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 20, 2020, 05:44:21 PM

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Quote from: matchi2011 on April 20, 2020, 12:48:55 AM

But in terms of his contribution from this league, he don't need to prove anything more. His stardom was already been established with how he played the game and how he impressed the fans way back when he was still playing with the tropang texters.

We can all agree with that as we saw how big his contribution is, he is one of the players where you can rely that would bring a team a win.

Ranidel De Ocampo indeed contributed a lot to the PBA and of course to the TNT Katropa but it's just unfortunate that he never made it to the top recognition of the oldest league in Asia, the Most Valuable Player. Sad to note and wonder sometimes on whether the PBA is fair on choosing a player for that award. Nelson Asaytono, Jason Castro and RDO, those names are deserving for that award but never made it.

What the PBA organization sees does not matter anymore, what matters how the fans sees it.
The eyes of the fans are not corrupt while those who are in the organization, their decision might change due to money or whatsoever.
Just like some players are complaining that the calls are incorrect, so it's possible that the league are rigging games and this could be included, it's a long discussion actually but IMHO, RDO deserves better recognition.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 20, 2020, 05:13:52 PM

Quote from: matchi2011 on April 20, 2020, 12:48:55 AM

But in terms of his contribution from this league, he don't need to prove anything more. His stardom was already been established with how he played the game and how he impressed the fans way back when he was still playing with the tropang texters.

We can all agree with that as we saw how big his contribution is, he is one of the players where you can rely that would bring a team a win.

Ranidel De Ocampo indeed contributed a lot to the PBA and of course to the TNT Katropa but it's just unfortunate that he never made it to the top recognition of the oldest league in Asia, the Most Valuable Player. Sad to note and wonder sometimes on whether the PBA is fair on choosing a player for that award. Nelson Asaytono, Jason Castro and RDO, those names are deserving for that award but never made it.

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Quote from: matchi2011 on April 20, 2020, 12:48:55 AM

Same with Paras and Ildefonso the timing of retirement is not good since the career is no longer at his prime.

Who would retire if they are still on their prime, your statement does not make sense to me, sorry.
Just like Kobe Bryant, we know he is one of the best player in the NBA, he retired because of injury and he wasn't making his usual stats anymore, he maybe still can scored but his percentage were too low, and after retirement, he was still remembered, even now that he already passed away.

The guy is a legend, just Like Manny Pacquiao in Boxing.

Quote from: matchi2011 on April 20, 2020, 12:48:55 AM

But in terms of his contribution from this league, he don't need to prove anything more. His stardom was already been established with how he played the game and how he impressed the fans way back when he was still playing with the tropang texters.

We can all agree with that as we saw how big his contribution is, he is one of the players where you can rely that would bring a team a win.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 19, 2020, 06:26:19 PM

As you can see, his stats during his time with the Meralco bolts has reduce, due to the fact that he only played limited minutes and that is brought by the injuries he suffered, so that simply tells that his body is already giving up to a more physical PBA right now.

he is already 38 years old, only few players can still play their full potential at that age.

Indeed thus I agree that he should retire now, he is not getting younger anymore Grin

. However, I feel bad a little bit because he retired with a lame finish *sigh. Also, I think it would be better if he already retired when he was in TNT because that is the team where he improved the most and shine as a star. I guess he will be more appreciated from there.

Same with Paras and Ildefonso the timing of retirement is not good since the career is no longer at his prime. But in terms of his contribution from this league, he don't need to prove anything more. His stardom was already been established with how he played the game and how he impressed the fans way back when he was still playing with the tropang texters.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 19, 2020, 06:26:19 PM

As you can see, his stats during his time with the Meralco bolts has reduce, due to the fact that he only played limited minutes and that is brought by the injuries he suffered, so that simply tells that his body is already giving up to a more physical PBA right now.

he is already 38 years old, only few players can still play their full potential at that age.

Indeed thus I agree that he should retire now, he is not getting younger anymore Grin

. However, I feel bad a little bit because he retired with a lame finish *sigh. Also, I think it would be better if he already retired when he was in TNT because that is the team where he improved the most and shine as a star. I guess he will be more appreciated from there.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 19, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

He is prone to his injuries also and he can be a burden to his team if he continues to play as he stated.

He just began to become prone to injuries after his peak so that's given. But yes, age kills everyone athleticism so better hang his jersey.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 19, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

He is one of the best stretch big in PBA History. He can shoot in front of you even your arms is right in front of him. He is good in three and in the perimeter. Maybe this is is time though and we can't see anything about him this last year. Kudos to him. He can also be a part of the management if he wants so he can share his experience with this young athletes Cheesy

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One of the PBA player at his height that can drained continuous jump shot and 3's. There is not much PBA player with a height of around 6'6" that can do that. RDO is also known for contributing big in their international games.

Time to retire. You already contribute big to the PBA and to the PH country itself.

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We can check RDO's stats in here https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ranidel-De-Ocampo/Summary/28902

As you can see, his stats during his time with the Meralco bolts has reduce, due to the fact that he only played limited minutes and that is brought by the injuries he suffered, so that simply tells that his body is already giving up to a more physical PBA right now.

he is already 38 years old, only few players can still play their full potential at that age.

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Quote from: ultrloa on April 19, 2020, 07:47:56 AM

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It's unfortunate to see that he announce his retirement in midst of the pandemic disease since he deserve a good appreciation for the outstanding career and for the honor of the country for playing on Gilas, but anyways he doesn't getting younger anymore maybe he will step out on hardcourt and will still have any position on PBA or maybe on the MVP group since for sure his presence still a good boost for the team which select him to work on.

Well, he has some reasons why he chose to retire.
- His contract with the Bolts has expired already after the last conference and until the time he didn't announced his retirement, there is no call for him telling that his contract will be renewed.
- He is prone to his injuries also and he can be a burden to his team if he continues to play as he stated.

He is one of the best stretch big in PBA History. He can shoot in front of you even your arms is right in front of him. He is good in three and in the perimeter. Maybe this is is time though and we can't see anything about him this last year. Kudos to him. He can also be a part of the management if he wants so he can share his experience with this young athletes Cheesy

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Yeah it's unfortunate but seems his body is not on his side at this time since he's aging and might that's totally burden for a team if they will let him sit on bench, But still decision still good so might provably he will get a contract outside the court since as we know he have a great experience where he can share by teaching the young legs.

Not a bad call from him, he did great things, and for sure he already earned a lot of money. He must be tired, or because he got the chance to look what he must do with himself beside playing basketball, in this time of lockdown. He can be a coach or a trainer he is trustworthy, and reputable man on the league though.

For the team, I guess there were no regrets or what since they have know the spot for new younger players now. Not to mention, those batang gilas except Kai, lol he's probably going all down to international league.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 19, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

Quote from: ultrloa on April 18, 2020, 05:22:55 PM

It's unfortunate to see that he announce his retirement in midst of the pandemic disease since he deserve a good appreciation for the outstanding career and for the honor of the country for playing on Gilas, but anyways he doesn't getting younger anymore maybe he will step out on hardcourt and will still have any position on PBA or maybe on the MVP group since for sure his presence still a good boost for the team which select him to work on.

Well, he has some reasons why he chose to retire.
- His contract with the Bolts has expired already after the last conference and until the time he didn't announced his retirement, there is no call for him telling that his contract will be renewed.
- He is prone to his injuries also and he can be a burden to his team if he continues to play as he stated.

He is one of the best stretch big in PBA History. He can shoot in front of you even your arms is right in front of him. He is good in three and in the perimeter. Maybe this is is time though and we can't see anything about him this last year. Kudos to him. He can also be a part of the management if he wants so he can share his experience with this young athletes Cheesy

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Yeah it's unfortunate but seems his body is not on his side at this time since he's aging and might that's totally burden for a team if they will let him sit on bench, But still decision still good so might provably he will get a contract outside the court since as we know he have a great experience where he can share by teaching the young legs.

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