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Quote from: Ranly123 on August 13, 2019, 04:42:26 PM

Talking about Lassiter, he really does make a big impact on the plays for SMB. Not that TNT is nothing if Lassiter played the series but it's more likely their chance of winning the championship will narrow down.

Agree to that. I'm not against it. Lassiter is good and PBA fans know how great his offense is. He is part of the solid lineup of SMB since then. No question about that.

I just disagree with the idea of "possible outcome" of 3-1 lead for SMB if Lassiter is there. Still, I believed it will be to 2-2 even with Lassiter was there and if SMB won the champs it will be 4-3. TNT can match the SMB even Lassiter is there. Plays and rotation of TNT will be different too.

Still a close match in the end and we can't say early who's the one will prevail.

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Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Not exactly a game-changer but an important piece for SMB. If you take out an important piece in any team, that will be a big deal because they'll have to change their style of play significantly.

I did not know that a simple statement of what could have happened triggered you so much which made you draw a lot of conclusions.

On the other hand, even Lassiter is there, do you think TNT will not make any adjustments?

Too much expectation for Lassiter without realizing that TNT is really playing good this Finals. Ohh I'm wrong, since the start of the Conference.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 08:34:01 PM

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

Funny that you focused on the 3-1 but never saw the word MAY in my original post. That means it is a possible outcome. Since when did may become the equivalent of assurance?

Your possible outcome is difficult to imagine. Cheesy

It's like saying that TNT is nothing if Lassiter was there for SMB.

Lots of SMB fans out there but you are the only one I saw who thinks of that possible outcome. Nothing wrong though. I'm here for a healthy debate.

Talking about Lassiter, he really does make a big impact on the plays for SMB. Not that TNT is nothing if Lassiter played the series but it's more likely their chance of winning the championship will narrow down.

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Quote from: harizen on August 13, 2019, 02:57:45 PM

I loved how Game 4 turned out. Refs didn't spoil the intense action while the clock is ticking down. That's what I want to see so that no questions will have arisen after the game. Salute to both teams for playing hard and gave their fans what's the action on Finals should be.

This is what i do love to see and most basketball fans where they are entertained and satisfied on the outcome without any issues or controversies after.
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Quote from: rosezionjohn on August 13, 2019, 12:19:47 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 04:22:16 PM

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 06:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Not exactly a game-changer but an important piece for SMB. If you take out an important piece in any team, that will be a big deal because they'll have to change their style of play significantly.

I did not know that a simple statement of what could have happened triggered you so much which made you draw a lot of conclusions.

On the other hand, even Lassiter is there, do you think TNT will not make any adjustments?

Too much expectation for Lassiter without realizing that TNT is really playing good this Finals. Ohh I'm wrong, since the start of the Conference.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 08:34:01 PM

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

Funny that you focused on the 3-1 but never saw the word MAY in my original post. That means it is a possible outcome. Since when did may become the equivalent of assurance?

Your possible outcome is difficult to imagine. Cheesy

It's like saying that TNT is nothing if Lassiter was there for SMB.

Lots of SMB fans out there but you are the only one I saw who thinks of that possible outcome. Nothing wrong though. I'm here for a healthy debate.

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I loved how Game 4 turned out. Refs didn't spoil the intense action while the clock is ticking down. That's what I want to see so that no questions will have arisen after the game. Salute to both teams for playing hard and gave their fans what's the action on Finals should be.

SMB is playing well on that win in Game 4. TNT's almost snatch the win but remained short. There are few wasted possessions on their part during the last few minutes.

With that SMB's performance, I think it will boost SMB fans confidence here. So anyone now wants to bet against me?

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 04:22:16 PM

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 06:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Not exactly a game-changer but an important piece for SMB. If you take out an important piece in any team, that will be a big deal because they'll have to change their style of play significantly.

I did not know that a simple statement of what could have happened triggered you so much which made you draw a lot of conclusions.

Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 08:34:01 PM

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

Funny that you focused on the 3-1 but never saw the word MAY in my original post. That means it is a possible outcome. Since when did may become the equivalent of assurance?

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Quote from: Botnake on August 13, 2019, 12:21:30 AM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

Somehow that might be the scenario if ever that one didn't happen, the game was really on the side on the Beermen at that time even though McCollough was really tired lucky for Romeo and Cabagnot to extend it to double OT. Well, I guess they don't regret it and the show must go on for them but it seems I am on the side of Beermen right now as they have more players that are more experienced on winning championships.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 13, 2019, 12:33:01 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 13, 2019, 12:21:30 AM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

Both teams are good in adjusting to how the opponents make their adjustment so they can assess if how they can see some good edge and penetrates, this two competing teams are both eager to win the title, the series is tied and chances to see this match up to do or die is very possible.

Anyone can take this, it's a matter of who's going to be more aggressive and confident will take the title.

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Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

I appreciate that you made an effort to show that graph, but can you explain further on how to read that graph.
What I only understand is what is written in the legend which is red for SMB and blue is for TNT.

Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you'll be able to educate me about that.

Yes please. I am also confused with the graph. From what I observed during the first four games, it is the SMB who starts aggressively and then the TNT comes back strong in the later part of the game.

It is Score Development Statistics where you can found here: https://pba.ph/home, for every recap or live of the games.

It is the statistic that is more on the points, or we can say who dominate on every quarter of the game. Obviously, it is different for every game and it is also will different for every score of the teams.

If you can see in Game 3, which the TNT Katropa is the blue line, SMB dominates in the almost first half but they manage to come back on the second half which that is the best thing, since SMB Katropa are most aggressive on every second half, even on their previous games for different team opponents.
In Game 4, SMB totally manages the almost of the first half and second half, so there they are, they even much aggressive on the second half which again, their best quarters on every game they play.

Thanks for clarifying to us, now I understand that the P1 - P4 is the Q1 - Q4, you should just put a Q than P so it's easy to understand.
Anyway, I don't really look at the graph as I know a game can be influence by the wrong calls of the refs, if they want a certain team to win, they can easily do that with their whistle, that's why if you notice players complain with the call they believe a miss call.

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A drastic measure is a need for both teams to heighten up their gameplay, Now that SMB has tied up the match between TNT, June Mar Fajardo, and Chris McCullough has done a great job finalizing the score to 106-101 SMB win, and to hold off TNT's best import Terrence Jones, What can we say against the reigning champions they surely can give an explosive performance when they are surely on the edge, but I still want TNT to win this and be champions because I guess they too deserve a spot to reign, I guess if they can concentrate a little and make a lot of effort in game 5 maybe they can beat up San Miguel Beer Men.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on August 13, 2019, 03:54:13 AM

Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

It would be SMB to take game 5. Though not a large margin but they will snatch game 5 and bring the momentum through game 6 where the series will end.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 13, 2019, 05:04:53 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 13, 2019, 04:48:02 AM

Quote from: GreatArkansas on August 13, 2019, 03:54:13 AM

https://i.imgur.com/XKRgJQU.png
Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

I appreciate that you made an effort to show that graph, but can you explain further on how to read that graph.
What I only understand is what is written in the legend which is red for SMB and blue is for TNT.

Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you'll be able to educate me about that.

Yes please. I am also confused with the graph. From what I observed during the first four games, it is the SMB who starts aggressively and then the TNT comes back strong in the later part of the game.

It is Score Development Statistics where you can found here: https://pba.ph/home, for every recap or live of the games.

It is the statistic that is more on the points, or we can say who dominate on every quarter of the game. Obviously, it is different for every game and it is also will different for every score of the teams.

If you can see in Game 3, which the TNT Katropa is the blue line, SMB dominates in the almost first half but they manage to come back on the second half which that is the best thing, since SMB Katropa are most aggressive on every second half, even on their previous games for different team opponents.
In Game 4, SMB totally manages the almost of the first half and second half, so there they are, they even much aggressive on the second half which again, their best quarters on every game they play.

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Quote from: stadus on August 13, 2019, 04:48:02 AM

Quote from: GreatArkansas on August 13, 2019, 03:54:13 AM

Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

I appreciate that you made an effort to show that graph, but can you explain further on how to read that graph.
What I only understand is what is written in the legend which is red for SMB and blue is for TNT.

Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you'll be able to educate me about that.

Yes please. I am also confused with the graph. From what I observed during the first four games, it is the SMB who starts aggressively and then the TNT comes back strong in the later part of the game.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on August 13, 2019, 03:54:13 AM

Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

I appreciate that you made an effort to show that graph, but can you explain further on how to read that graph.
What I only understand is what is written in the legend which is red for SMB and blue is for TNT.

Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you'll be able to educate me about that.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 13, 2019, 12:33:01 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 13, 2019, 12:21:30 AM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

But it happens already so accept the reality and move on.and maybe we can see great action the next games .i hate what happened last game 4 when Jones was thrown out but things like this is normal though is championship game is not.the Beermen must be doing more as for sure tnt will best them on this final

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Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 13, 2019, 12:33:01 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 13, 2019, 12:21:30 AM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

Expect an adjustment more in game 5, this is a crucial game for both teams as whoever wins this is just one win away from Championship.
Jones remains consistent but TNT was not able to get a help from their bench players which only 1 player has score but with only 3 points.

SMB did a better job involving their bench and managing the minutes, also one factor is that Pogoy did not score much, he only scored 9 points coming off from being the best player of the game in game 3.

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Quote from: Botnake on August 13, 2019, 12:21:30 AM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 06:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Lassiter's injury is a loss to the SMB team, with him in the floor he can hustle and when he is hot in 3 point shooting, that would make the defense focus on him and that will free up June Mar Fajardo and the import. If I'm not mistaken, TNT has a good shooting percentage in 3 points in the past 4 games while SMB could have improve their 3 point shooting if they have lassiter which is their most reliable 3 point shooter and he is tall so he can help defend and rebound the ball which is in every game they are out rebounded by TNT.

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

Well, between the 2 teams, TNT is more efficient with their offense and defense and I know SMB understand that and there strategy was focus on distracting Jones, force him to loss focus and be emotional and they were successful in some point when Jones were ejected of 2 tech, sit out for flagrant foul and that's the time also when they start a rally but Jones is just so good, even TNT is down, they can come back and win the game.

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 06:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I will be neutral on this opinion because there are good and bad things that happened with Lassiter out for the finals.
One good reason is that, some of the local guards of SMB stepped up like Romeo, Pessumal, Cabagnot and Ross and take note they are shooting threes and good defenders too. They can do what Lassiter can do too.
One bad reason maybe is that the three points of Lassiter can affect the team but like I said, the local guards stepped up in the playoffs and did well in Game 4.

Overall, they are still the same but I don't like how they play in the past 3 games. Full of flops and physicality. Maybe the physicality is considerable but the flops?? I don't think so. Game 4 is a clean win for SMB. No Flops but there are some physicality which is normal already in Finals.

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