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Quote from: Fredomago on December 25, 2023, 02:57:16 AM

In that first game, not sure though what the import can provide for the team, knowing that there are many firepower that can explode with SMB's squad, but like what you have mentioned, it's a debut, and we don't know yet if this new import can quickly adopt the way SMB plays the game.

In the first 3 quarters you can tell that Phoenix could win, but in the 4th quarter everything changes as it was all SMB.

They had a crazy run, just imagine a 38-16 score, that was 22 points win in just one quarter alone.
Overall everyone was contributing and their import score 26 points which is not bad for a debut.

Really, I thought Phoenix got that but in just quarter their effort was wasted.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 24, 2023, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: mirakal on December 24, 2023, 10:15:40 AM

SMB vs Phoenix and Ginebra vs TNT, I like the 2nd game and I like to bet on Ginebra.

With Scottie Thompson back in the lineup for Ginebra, i think your choice is a good one. They were in the losing streak when Thompson was not there for them but bounce back strong against Meralco.

In the first game, I'm more inclined to bet for the Fuel Masters as SMB might be having some chemistry issues as their import will be having his debut today.

Phoenix ML @2.72 vs SMB
Ginebra -6.5 @.189 vs TNT Katropa

Good luck everyone and have a merry Christmas to all of us.

Yes, I also think kabayan that Thompson gives them a good impact. His presence inside the court gave his teammate realible two-way player who can do everything inside, I think covering that handicap against TNT is possible and if by heart Gin kings always delighted the fans might be possible a pride game between these two rivals.

In that first game, not sure though what the import can provide for the team, knowing that there are many firepower that can explode with SMB's squad, but like what you have mentioned, it's a debut, and we don't know yet if this new import can quickly adopt the way SMB plays the game.

Good luck Kabayan!

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Quote from: mirakal on December 24, 2023, 10:15:40 AM

SMB vs Phoenix and Ginebra vs TNT, I like the 2nd game and I like to bet on Ginebra.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 24, 2023, 12:46:27 AM

Next game will be against Meralco Boltz, I think they can still win this game.

I don't know, I think Meralco are gonna bounce back from a lose against Ginebra. Their import will have to play better basketball this time which I'm sure he is capable of, so I think to take chances here and instead I will bet on Meralco, hopefully they are the underdog.

But let us not discuss more about that game yet because we have two games tomorrow that are line up.

SMB vs Phoenix and Ginebra vs TNT, I like the 2nd game and I like to bet on Ginebra.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 23, 2023, 09:43:34 AM

I suggest (based on my observation), if we want to win betting against the Magnolia, might consider betting on the first half only, either ML or handicap, I think it will work.

Thanks for this suggestion, that's what I also observe with Magnolia. They have a wide rotation so they'll be able to maintain that energy until the 4th quarter while their opponents are slowly getting tired because their starters are playing heavy minutes.

Next time, I'll try this, to prove if this experiment will work.

Quote from: Fredomago on December 23, 2023, 06:07:54 PM

Great catch and almost an upset for that spread, but luck is with you kabayan, magnolia managed to outscored their opponents as how most fans and bettors expect, if you have that time watching the game and see that the opponent is leading and there's enough time, taking this kind of handicap mostly works for magnolia, they are known to recover and outscored their opponents after the first half, that's most of the time. Congrats kabayan!

Wait until they are down double digit as surely they'll bounce back. Teams like them could outscored their opponents with a big margin even in just one quarter because they are playing good defense and they could run.

Next game will be against Meralco Boltz, I think they can still win this game.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 23, 2023, 06:28:11 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 23, 2023, 05:53:14 AM

This is very risky but if you have a good spare, who knows upset happened and make you some decent profits. Good Luck Kabayan!

Upsets do happen every now and then especially in this game of basketball. End of the first half now with Converge having a slim 3-point lead but that lead will be erased once Magnolia will go full throttle in the second half.

Have managed to bet for Magnolia while on the halftime break, Magnolia -6.5 @1.82.

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Another win by Magnolia here. Just asking, what was the pregame betting handicap for Converge? I'm just curious because the last time Magnolia won they didn't cover the spread.

The game was quite entertaining until the Magnolia started to have a big run, and that has changes the complexion of the game. Weaker teams when they are down against a stronger team, they seemed to give up easily, and that's probably what happen to the Converge.

I suggest (based on my observation), if we want to win betting against the Magnolia, might consider betting on the first half only, either ML or handicap, I think it will work.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 23, 2023, 06:28:11 AM

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 23, 2023, 05:53:14 AM

This is very risky but if you have a good spare, who knows upset happened and make you some decent profits. Good Luck Kabayan!

Great catch! It was a low scoring ball game as they only finish a total of 168 points, and with that, you know which team's pace have dictated the game. Magnolia won by 8 points so you won your live bet bro. It was an exciting 1st 3 quarters but Magnolia had a big run in the 4th quarter and resulted to outscoring the Converge by 10 points. Magnolia is really dangerouse when they will play pressure defense, that has been their strategy and they are very effective with that since they are good in managing their players minutes, so they could preserve the energy in the 4th quarter.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 23, 2023, 05:58:00 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 23, 2023, 05:53:14 AM

This is very risky but if you have a good spare, who knows upset happened and make you some decent profits. Good Luck Kabayan!

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 23, 2023, 05:53:14 AM

This is very risky but if you have a good spare, who knows upset happened and make you some decent profits. Good Luck Kabayan!

Every bet is risky as we never know the outcome of the game. Magnolia looks obvious to be the winner but upsets can happen anytime, and the fact that we are discussing about rigging of games here, then it's one of the factor to consider if they really want Converget to win.

By the way, I saw Calvin already back in the line up of Magnolia, now they are 100% healthy and sure they are the team to beat this season.

I believe they are still at the top of the standings now even though they aren't perfect anymore as they lose to the Rain or shine, but I'm also counting now the possibility that Ginebra will overtake them since Scottie was already back.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 23, 2023, 05:04:39 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 23, 2023, 03:29:20 AM

Today, we have two games. The first game has already started, it's DYIP vs ROS, can't decide which team to bet so I just watch the game without putting money.

I didn't even bother to check the pregame odds on this game. Same as you, I'm also not intersted in watching, you know, a farm team playing isn't really interesting to watch because we already know what to expect, and as expected, they lose to ROS.

For gamblers who are seeking for some game to bet I'm pretty sure it's the spread that they are analyzing, whether RoS will manage to cover it or not, just the same with you, I don't have that trust for DYIP as they are just here to continue advertising their companyand I don't know what else they are getting from joining this league, but competition wise? There's nothing from them that fans, if they have to expect.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 23, 2023, 03:29:20 AM

However, in the 2nd game, it's Converge vs Magnolia, I think I'm betting on Magnolia even if they didn't cover the spread last time.

Not sure what you guys think about this game, but as for me, I'm going with the heavy underdog here. Since it's Sunday and I have some to spare, I'm betting on the Converge to upset the Magnolia. Converge is at 6.10 for ML!

This is very risky but if you have a good spare, who knows upset happened and make you some decent profits. Good Luck Kabayan!

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 23, 2023, 03:29:20 AM

Today, we have two games. The first game has already started, it's DYIP vs ROS, can't decide which team to bet so I just watch the game without putting money.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 23, 2023, 03:29:20 AM

However, in the 2nd game, it's Converge vs Magnolia, I think I'm betting on Magnolia even if they didn't cover the spread last time.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 22, 2023, 04:44:38 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on December 22, 2023, 04:04:00 PM

Even though Ginebra is up in most part of the game, Coach Tim didn't use much his bench squad. Almost the entire game, the game was played by their starters. Thompson was a starter and Pringle as his backup coming from the bench is the only notable exchange that Ginebra did the whole game.

Maybe Ginebra is doing its best to improve its standings in the event of a tie as they are about having the same standing with 4 teams. Under the quotient system, the allowed score on a specific game is one of the factors to determine who will clinch the right spot. Basically, don't want to mess up on that or else will face sister teams right away in the quarterfinals.

Just my thought.

Ginebra still won and maybe they are working with their standings to avoid this scenario, there’s no doubt about the bench of Ginebra but the coaching staff knows when to use them and playing against Meralco should not be an easy one for Ginebra, most probably they are taking this game one at a time. The goal is to get the championship again, and the coaching staff should be more strategic and playing against their sister team should be avoided at all cost so they can both enter the next round.

We didn't reliaze that Ginebra was in a losing streak prior to that game, so despite Meralco is a good team, Ginebra is the right bet as they will not gonna allow to be in a long losing streak. Thompson on his first game after getting injured already showed his 100% confidence by producing impressive numbers, he look like Morant of the Grizzlies who just came back and helped the team with a big victory.

Today, we have two games. The first game has already started, it's DYIP vs ROS, can't decide which team to bet so I just watch the game without putting money. However, in the 2nd game, it's Converge vs Magnolia, I think I'm betting on Magnolia even if they didn't cover the spread last time.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 22, 2023, 06:00:16 AM

Meralco vs Ginebra on the second game, must win for the Gin Kings but Meralco is hungry for the win either so i will be backing the latter ML @2.02.

Good luck on your bet guys.

We fell on the same trap man. I was thinking that Meralco could somehow give Ginebra a tough game and could win the game eventually but it has become a one sided beatdown. An easy double digit win by Ginebra here and probably that's because Scottie Thompson was back, honestly, I haven't read in the news that he'll be playing because if I knew, I wouldn't bet against the Ginebra.

Looking at the stats, their locals are really playing well, especially Ahanmissi who tallied 25 points, and despite their import are playing with poor offense, only 12 in the game, they still manage to have a dominating win.

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Missed to post but i managed to secure a winning bet on the first game today on the game between NLEX and Blackwater. Have bet for NLEX -3.5 @1.82, very close game until the end, luckily the Road Warriors managed to pull away for the win in the dying minutes of the ballgame.

Meralco vs Ginebra on the second game, must win for the Gin Kings but Meralco is hungry for the win either so i will be backing the latter ML @2.02.

Good luck on your bet guys.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 21, 2023, 09:00:25 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 21, 2023, 11:32:51 AM

Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.

The kind of adjustment we need if we believe that a game can be rig is simply not betting on teams that majority wants. I guess I need to be specific, when I say teams, this could mean a spread or handicap on a certain team, as just like the Magnolia vs DYIP, Magnolia is sure to be the team that the public wants and they actually won, but if the public bet on the spread, they lose.

No doubt that in that event Magnolia can easily win the game and that the very reason why the odd for ML is really small, pushing bettors to place their bet to handicap and that's all the rigging thing take place, if you will look on how that game being played, it will easily convinced that handicap can easily covered as Magnolia leads the game with a huge deficits, but coming that last period where they gave DYIP that easy look to the basket and failed to counter whatever DYIP is doing.

Though just another missed for bettors who understand the drill, just move on and try to find good game to recover back..Good luck Kabayan!

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 21, 2023, 11:32:51 AM

Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 21, 2023, 05:52:36 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 20, 2023, 06:50:07 PM

A pressure for the handicappers? Lucky for those who turned agaisnt Magnolia as what you mentioned, they let DYIP to score and cover the handicap, they just aimed for the win and stop putting that points for the score board, which is unusual I mean not for magnolia, as I said they are known to cover the handicap especially if they are in the lead.

That rig issue for some bettors will come up and we can't blame them to think that way, but nothing that they can do but to move forward, just another day to reassess for the next coming games.

I thought that was money in the bag already as who would have thought that from 30 point lead, it goes down to just 13. I'm not a believer that there are riggings in the PBA but with what happened last night, I'm starting to believe that there must be something wrong with that game.

BTW, before that game started there was somewhat an acknowledgment that "Arena Plus" is one of the sponsors of PBA, what a coincidence.

And that coincidence may say something regarding to what happened with that huge leads of Magnolia, just go with the flow and try to find the best way to read out all the possibilities and factors that may affects the outcome of the game, and that includes the possibility that there's strong hands behind that can change the possible outcome of the game.

Let see if how things will continue, it's needed an adjustment before placing your bet Kabayan.