2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 167.

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We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

That will really devalue the World Cup if they did that, in the case of an increase in the number of participants I am not really against it as the best team will still win, while giving many countries that would have no chance to assist to the world cup a chance to do so.

But a tournament that is held every two years is a problem in my mind as now players will need to play twice as much for their national teams, and I have no doubts that many will decide to retire and not participate with them in order to avoid injuries, decreasing the importance and skill level of the competition in the process.

I agree with your complete statement they need to think about these things because soccer is really amazing game for many decades and now just for their own sack decreasing quality and duration can hurt this very badly even many feeling with current duration increasing in teams is something better but still this need some better strategy because this can hurt quality very badly recently we have very competitive teams fighting for place into last 32 which is very hard so if they increase without any proper strategy this could be not good enough first check all details and then having some better solution is surely can help to all parties in many ways with increase of revenue for FIFA and entertainment for many more fans.

Another problem with holding the World Cup so often is the fact that we will have twice as many champions in the same amount of time that it would have taken in the past to crown a single champion, now this may not seem like a big issue for some but it is.

For example when Spain was able to win the World Cup by the time it took to hold the next World Cup the team was nowhere near as good as it was and they failed to repeat as champions, however if the World Cup is being held every 2 years then it will be way too easy for a good generation of players to repeat and win the World Cup back to back, diminishing in the process the feat that has only be done by Italy and Brazil.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 06, 2022, 08:50:02 PM

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I'm more worried about the players and the injuries next year in Qatar. They have just come out of the competition (95% of all players) and then they have to start again at the World Cup within 1 week. That can never be healthy and never go well, that is an invitation to open injuries. In England they normally play in the month of December, but in other countries they have a winter break. It's there for a reason. Sub-top clubs are not bothered by this, but the strong teams do risk something by letting their strongest players go to the World Cup. Ultimately the choices and responsibility of the player(s) themselves.

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the 2022 fifa world cup, will be held in Qatar, this will be the first world cup ever to be held in the middle east, and the first to be held in an Islamic majority country, in my personal opinion maybe the obstacles experienced by players because of the weather problem in Qatar, because the weather there summer is usually long, hot and humid, if it's a matter of the condition of the players I think they will be fine, because all competitions end in the 6th month of 2022, so the players have a few months to keep their bodies steady fit, maybe the problem is the players who play in the English league, because we know there are so many competitions that are run in England..

Well this is something very true, when the soccer world cup approaches, some players usually suffer injuries, the most famous ones suffer injuries and some are left out of the world championship causing them to take others for them, of course this is something very sad, perhaps people Say, that they prefer that good players take care of themselves and not expose themselves to the dangers that a friendly soccer match can bring, or maybe their clubs do not put them to take care of themselves, but certainly that is their job and if an accident happens, that represents the low risk which they are always subject to, I think there is nothing to do there.

Players relieve from the team out of injury, but people weren't able to accept it. This is all because of having big expectation over that particular player. It is always good to be safe and take good rest before the days of big events, because the players wholeheartedly wish to play but when there happens health issues automatically they can't participate.

The same will also be attributed as the players are willing to play for the club as it pays big, but weren't able to play for the country.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 06, 2022, 10:58:17 PM

I believe that player’s and coaching staff are well aware of these issues, and they accordingly map a plan about who gets how much time on the pitch and they try to rotate player’s accordingly. Lastly if a club feels a player is injured then they may ask that player to be left out, but I doubt any player would be keen to miss the world cup, hence let’s hope that all the player’s return injury free to their respective clubs at the end of the tournament.

I believe the injury problem will be more after the World Cup than during.

It's towards the end of the season that players will feel the plethora of games they've made. Usually they do the world championship, and then they have a small vacation and then the pre-season starts when you can manage the training load.

This year, they finish the world championship and return to the clubs, where they will have to win the final phase of the season, with very intense games. It will be in this scenario that problems can arise.

But we hope not!

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 06, 2022, 08:50:02 PM

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Quote from: yayayo on December 29, 2021, 03:48:29 PM

I'm more worried about the players and the injuries next year in Qatar. They have just come out of the competition (95% of all players) and then they have to start again at the World Cup within 1 week. That can never be healthy and never go well, that is an invitation to open injuries. In England they normally play in the month of December, but in other countries they have a winter break. It's there for a reason. Sub-top clubs are not bothered by this, but the strong teams do risk something by letting their strongest players go to the World Cup. Ultimately the choices and responsibility of the player(s) themselves.

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the 2022 fifa world cup, will be held in Qatar, this will be the first world cup ever to be held in the middle east, and the first to be held in an Islamic majority country, in my personal opinion maybe the obstacles experienced by players because of the weather problem in Qatar, because the weather there summer is usually long, hot and humid, if it's a matter of the condition of the players I think they will be fine, because all competitions end in the 6th month of 2022, so the players have a few months to keep their bodies steady fit, maybe the problem is the players who play in the English league, because we know there are so many competitions that are run in England..

Well this is something very true, when the soccer world cup approaches, some players usually suffer injuries, the most famous ones suffer injuries and some are left out of the world championship causing them to take others for them, of course this is something very sad, perhaps people Say, that they prefer that good players take care of themselves and not expose themselves to the dangers that a friendly soccer match can bring, or maybe their clubs do not put them to take care of themselves, but certainly that is their job and if an accident happens, that represents the low risk which they are always subject to, I think there is nothing to do there.

I believe that player’s and coaching staff are well aware of these issues, and they accordingly map a plan about who gets how much time on the pitch and they try to rotate player’s accordingly. Lastly if a club feels a player is injured then they may ask that player to be left out, but I doubt any player would be keen to miss the world cup, hence let’s hope that all the player’s return injury free to their respective clubs at the end of the tournament.

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Quote from: asus09 on December 31, 2021, 10:55:39 PM

Quote from: yayayo on December 29, 2021, 03:48:29 PM

I'm more worried about the players and the injuries next year in Qatar. They have just come out of the competition (95% of all players) and then they have to start again at the World Cup within 1 week. That can never be healthy and never go well, that is an invitation to open injuries. In England they normally play in the month of December, but in other countries they have a winter break. It's there for a reason. Sub-top clubs are not bothered by this, but the strong teams do risk something by letting their strongest players go to the World Cup. Ultimately the choices and responsibility of the player(s) themselves.

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the 2022 fifa world cup, will be held in Qatar, this will be the first world cup ever to be held in the middle east, and the first to be held in an Islamic majority country, in my personal opinion maybe the obstacles experienced by players because of the weather problem in Qatar, because the weather there summer is usually long, hot and humid, if it's a matter of the condition of the players I think they will be fine, because all competitions end in the 6th month of 2022, so the players have a few months to keep their bodies steady fit, maybe the problem is the players who play in the English league, because we know there are so many competitions that are run in England..

Well this is something very true, when the soccer world cup approaches, some players usually suffer injuries, the most famous ones suffer injuries and some are left out of the world championship causing them to take others for them, of course this is something very sad, perhaps people Say, that they prefer that good players take care of themselves and not expose themselves to the dangers that a friendly soccer match can bring, or maybe their clubs do not put them to take care of themselves, but certainly that is their job and if an accident happens, that represents the low risk which they are always subject to, I think there is nothing to do there.

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According to Marotta, vice president of Serie A league, the Serie A will ask to Eufa to postpone the tie-breaks for the latest spots for the qualification for the next world cup.

I don't think they will agree with it but this is what it is.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 03, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 29, 2021, 04:31:49 AM

We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

That will really devalue the World Cup if they did that, in the case of an increase in the number of participants I am not really against it as the best team will still win, while giving many countries that would have no chance to assist to the world cup a chance to do so.

But a tournament that is held every two years is a problem in my mind as now players will need to play twice as much for their national teams, and I have no doubts that many will decide to retire and not participate with them in order to avoid injuries, decreasing the importance and skill level of the competition in the process.

I agree with your complete statement they need to think about these things because soccer is really amazing game for many decades and now just for their own sack decreasing quality and duration can hurt this very badly even many feeling with current duration increasing in teams is something better but still this need some better strategy because this can hurt quality very badly recently we have very competitive teams fighting for place into last 32 which is very hard so if they increase without any proper strategy this could be not good enough first check all details and then having some better solution is surely can help to all parties in many ways with increase of revenue for FIFA and entertainment for many more fans.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 29, 2021, 04:31:49 AM

We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

That will really devalue the World Cup if they did that, in the case of an increase in the number of participants I am not really against it as the best team will still win, while giving many countries that would have no chance to assist to the world cup a chance to do so.

But a tournament that is held every two years is a problem in my mind as now players will need to play twice as much for their national teams, and I have no doubts that many will decide to retire and not participate with them in order to avoid injuries, decreasing the importance and skill level of the competition in the process.

The idea of increasing the number of participants also has its drawbacks. On the one hand, "small" teams will have the opportunity to get to the final stage of the World Championship and join this holiday, on the other hand, it will break the statistics that have been accumulated over decades. If the conditional Brazil will play in the groups with the conditional Liechtenstein, then the strikers of the Brazilian national team will be able to score many goals in one match and surpass the great masters of the past who played in different conditions. In addition, there will be a lot of obviously uninteresting games in the championship where the result will be clear in advance.

Apart from that, there are several other reasons, such as increasing the number of participants, which can result in a decrease in the quality of a team or player's game because the longer they compete, the longer they will play if they continue to win and this is very vulnerable to a decrease in the quality of players and teams competing. .
on the other hand there are also those who think that this is like a political nuance.
but indeed the pros and cons are something that is certain and we cannot deny this because it is certain that every head will have different opinions

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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 03, 2022, 02:41:57 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 29, 2021, 04:31:49 AM

We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

That will really devalue the World Cup if they did that, in the case of an increase in the number of participants I am not really against it as the best team will still win, while giving many countries that would have no chance to assist to the world cup a chance to do so.

But a tournament that is held every two years is a problem in my mind as now players will need to play twice as much for their national teams, and I have no doubts that many will decide to retire and not participate with them in order to avoid injuries, decreasing the importance and skill level of the competition in the process.

The idea of increasing the number of participants also has its drawbacks. On the one hand, "small" teams will have the opportunity to get to the final stage of the World Championship and join this holiday, on the other hand, it will break the statistics that have been accumulated over decades. If the conditional Brazil will play in the groups with the conditional Liechtenstein, then the strikers of the Brazilian national team will be able to score many goals in one match and surpass the great masters of the past who played in different conditions. In addition, there will be a lot of obviously uninteresting games in the championship where the result will be clear in advance.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 29, 2021, 04:31:49 AM

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We must remember that FIFA has in a way already resolved this, the 2022 world cup to be held at Qatar seems to be the last world cup with 32 teams.

The world cup of 2026 which will be held at Canada, Mexico and the US will hold 48 teams, the format is kind of odd but if successful then this means that the increase of 16 spots will allow us to see a more diverse set of countries making it to the tournament, while at the same time increasing the revenue they will get out of it, while the fans get even more soccer to watch, so it seems like a decision everyone can get behind.

We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

That will really devalue the World Cup if they did that, in the case of an increase in the number of participants I am not really against it as the best team will still win, while giving many countries that would have no chance to assist to the world cup a chance to do so.

But a tournament that is held every two years is a problem in my mind as now players will need to play twice as much for their national teams, and I have no doubts that many will decide to retire and not participate with them in order to avoid injuries, decreasing the importance and skill level of the competition in the process.

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Quote from: asus09 on December 31, 2021, 10:55:39 PM

the 2022 fifa world cup, will be held in Qatar, this will be the first world cup ever to be held in the middle east, and the first to be held in an Islamic majority country, in my personal opinion maybe the obstacles experienced by players because of the weather problem in Qatar, because the weather there summer is usually long, hot and humid, if it's a matter of the condition of the players I think they will be fine, because all competitions end in the 6th month of 2022, so the players have a few months to keep their bodies steady fit, maybe the problem is the players who play in the English league, because we know there are so many competitions that are run in England..

Few good things happening in this way that now we have some more countries involved and this could be good for marketing purpose as well but still weather conditions are the biggest concern for many countries specially Western Countries because they need to be more in trouble even it is playing in November/ December, and also it's going to hurt many European Leagues as well, but this could be settled because we already have issues with Covid-19, and they adjust all their fixtures with few countries stop leagues and have no remaining fixtures because of time frame but here we all know they will adjust and have window for world cup which is mega event. England could be the most suffered country without any doubt.

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Quote from: Gasty4 on January 03, 2022, 02:23:37 AM

Friendly reminder that the world 🌍 Cup will be held this year, June202 at Qater.
Who's your favorite or pick to win ?
Mine is Portugal!

This is slightly off topic, but the World Cup will not be held in June this year, but in November/December instead.

Also, Portugal first will need to qualify (as discussed in this thread Wink

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The play-offs will be held end of March, so we'll have to be a bit more patient in that regard. Meanwhile I read that Mancini (coach of Italy) is optimistic that Italy will not only qualify but even win the cup Wink

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Friendly reminder that the world 🌍 Cup will be held this year, June202 at Qater.
Who's your favorite or pick to win ?
Mine is Portugal!

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Quote from: yayayo on December 29, 2021, 03:48:29 PM

I'm more worried about the players and the injuries next year in Qatar. They have just come out of the competition (95% of all players) and then they have to start again at the World Cup within 1 week. That can never be healthy and never go well, that is an invitation to open injuries. In England they normally play in the month of December, but in other countries they have a winter break. It's there for a reason. Sub-top clubs are not bothered by this, but the strong teams do risk something by letting their strongest players go to the World Cup. Ultimately the choices and responsibility of the player(s) themselves.

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the 2022 fifa world cup, will be held in Qatar, this will be the first world cup ever to be held in the middle east, and the first to be held in an Islamic majority country, in my personal opinion maybe the obstacles experienced by players because of the weather problem in Qatar, because the weather there summer is usually long, hot and humid, if it's a matter of the condition of the players I think they will be fine, because all competitions end in the 6th month of 2022, so the players have a few months to keep their bodies steady fit, maybe the problem is the players who play in the English league, because we know there are so many competitions that are run in England..

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Quote from: diyetisman on December 29, 2021, 03:13:48 PM

I don't support the idea to organize the World Cup biennially. I mean that it wouldn't be good for the players in terms of having a much tighter fixture ahead of them. In terms of spectators, it would be great of course. Because everyone loves to watch the World Cup. But I don't want to be selfish about this topic of course. But we will see what FIFA will do. Maybe they will really give this formula a try and then decide the future.

It will be a bit risky since they will be playing in the winter break but if they manage to do it in england it means that there is nothing wrong with that plus most players playing in the world cup are professional athletes and there are many ways for them to recover quickly so i think it will be a unique experience for them.

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Quote from: coderben on December 30, 2021, 03:14:30 PM

I also think that this could be one of the worst choices FIFA have ever made for the World Cup. It's like there are no other countries to host this great tournament. Qatar is one of the hottest countries in the world. Because of this reason, it was speculated that the tournament would be held in November. And I assume that they will do this for real. Because there is no way they can hold this tournament in summer. I hope that we can still watch an enjoyable tournament and it wouldn't be a disappointing one.

It's not speculated it's already confirmed World Cup 2022 is going to be played in November because May, June and July months are not suitable for any team even local can't do anything, so FIFA already announces about this, so it's also very big issue for all European Leagues because they will face some big trouble they already in many problems because of Covid-19 and now another season is going to ruin, so hopefully FIFA will do some better and favorable decisions for future cycle and host countries.

Many voices are coming for 48 teams mean more time and more effort so in this case they need to have some better planning because with this it's not easy for many countries to host mega event alone.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 29, 2021, 04:31:49 AM

We must also remember that FIFA is trying to move the World Cup from a four-year cycle to a two-year one. This will deal a serious blow to the clubs and to the prestige of this competition, it seems to me that sooner or later it will lead to the fact that the meaning of playing for the national teams will gradually disappear.

I agree. FIFA is making an effort to change the cycle of this most special tournament in football. This is going to be a big problem for the participant teams if the cycle is decided as two years. I absolutely don't support this idea. Because this is going to make things difficult for the players as they would have a much tighter schedule. And we could see more injury problems etc.. I believe that the World Cup should stay the way as it's always been.

And I hardly understand how FIFA will act if the World Cup coincides with the European Championship or America's Cup. Perhaps there are ways to divide these competitions in time and come up with some new cycles, but this will be a strange construction compared to the current one, which works great. I get the impression that these ideas are not the real intentions of FIFA, but the result of some kind of undercover games.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 29, 2021, 06:44:17 PM

I still don't understand why FIFA took the world cup to a tiny country like Qatar.
Yes, I'm being ironic, because in fact we all know that the issue here is purely FINANCIAL. For what other reason would be so strong for FIFA to allow it to host the most glorious event in world football in a DESERT???

It's easy to see thermometers go down to 50 degrees Celsius there, but organizers promise the temperature won't go above 27 degrees, will it have that much air conditioning to handle it?

There were many players who complained a lot about the heat of the Amazon in Brazil, what will they say about the next ones?

I also think that this could be one of the worst choices FIFA have ever made for the World Cup. It's like there are no other countries to host this great tournament. Qatar is one of the hottest countries in the world. Because of this reason, it was speculated that the tournament would be held in November. And I assume that they will do this for real. Because there is no way they can hold this tournament in summer. I hope that we can still watch an enjoyable tournament and it wouldn't be a disappointing one.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 29, 2021, 06:12:05 PM

It won't be like that. The championships will start early next season, mainly in Europe. Most leagues are planning to take a break before the start of the world cup.
The injury problem will not be so much because of the month in which the championship takes place, but because of the climate in Qatar. Low humidity and very high temperature. Not to mention the time difference, bearing in mind that the games will all be played late into the night.

Probably when they return to the clubs, they will be able to feel the problems.

I still don't understand why FIFA took the world cup to a tiny country like Qatar.
Yes, I'm being ironic, because in fact we all know that the issue here is purely FINANCIAL. For what other reason would be so strong for FIFA to allow it to host the most glorious event in world football in a DESERT???

It's easy to see thermometers go down to 50 degrees Celsius there, but organizers promise the temperature won't go above 27 degrees, will it have that much air conditioning to handle it?

There were many players who complained a lot about the heat of the Amazon in Brazil, what will they say about the next ones?

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Most injuries takes alot of time to heal up and nobody is always prepared for a particular type of injury or nobody knows which one he's gonna be inflicted with in the field so the low humidity can only curtail the chances of getting more serious injuries that might prevent them from the finals.
Another thing is that the coaches if the international clubs are gonna send list of players to be reserved for the match since everyone can't participate at once.
They might also decide for extra substitute to validate if something like these comes up though, they wouldn't wanna be obscured from their games

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