2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 171.

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My favourites in every path are:

Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path B: Russia would beat Poland and Czech Republic would do it to Sweden. And after a Russia - Czech Republic matchup, Russia would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path C: Portugal and Italy would succeed in defeating their opponents. And after a Portugal - Italy matchup, Italy would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Your path is very good but still need some things to be clear as Wales can beat Austria and Ukraine can Scotland but after this it is not easy match both teams have equal chance. Here Russia is good side, but Poland is also having some good players, so any result can happen in other match Sweden is very good even Czech Republic is doing some good in recent time.

Here in third we have most talked match is going to be played between the very good and talented teams Portugal vs Italy so here mostly people's favoring Italy but still anybody game.

I think that Ukraine would advance in case we see a Wales - Ukraine game. They are more powerful than their opponent when it comes to scoring and they would make use of it nicely. And I'm not so sure about the Russia - Poland one. Poland might advance with the help of Lewandowski maybe. And for the last path, I agree with @Spack17 totally.

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Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Nothing against Wales, but I think Ukraine's probability of victory is much higher than that of Wales. Wales have good players, but even so I think Ukraine is more likely to reach the World Cup than Wales. If Wales makes it, it's history for them.

In fact, I agree with you, but the bookmakers have a diametrically opposite opinion:

Austria 3.00
Wales 3.50
Scotland 3.75
Ukraine 4.50

Ukraine is considered an outsider of the A. In my opinion, this is an underestimation of Ukraine and perhaps it makes sense to bet on it, although I have no desire to freeze money for such a long period.

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Quote from: Spack17 on December 18, 2021, 04:53:30 AM

My favourites in every path are:

Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path B: Russia would beat Poland and Czech Republic would do it to Sweden. And after a Russia - Czech Republic matchup, Russia would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path C: Portugal and Italy would succeed in defeating their opponents. And after a Portugal - Italy matchup, Italy would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Your path is very good but still need some things to be clear as Wales can beat Austria and Ukraine can Scotland but after this it is not easy match both teams have equal chance. Here Russia is good side, but Poland is also having some good players, so any result can happen in other match Sweden is very good even Czech Republic is doing some good in recent time.

Here in third we have most talked match is going to be played between the very good and talented teams Portugal vs Italy so here mostly people's favoring Italy but still anybody game.

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In fact, something similar could be said for Italy, that they played badly at the end of the qualifications and missed a great opportunity to qualify directly for the World Cup.
Now there is a great chance that they will not qualify for the World Cup for the second time in a row, which has never happened to them in history.
I agree that Italy seems like a more balanced and a better team, but only one game is played in Portugal and anything is possible.
Portugal will have the advantage of the home field and that may help them, but in fact it is a pity that one of these two great national teams will not qualify for the World Cup due to an unfortunate draw.

If we look at the players that Portugal has available, I would even say that they have better players than Italy.
But the problem in Portugal, and it is even criticized for that, is the coach not using these players correctly in their possibilities, setting up a game strategy that does not empower these players.
This makes the Italia team end up having an advantage. Now, if Portugal approaches the game in a different way, then it will have a good chance of winning.

Yes, strategically I would say that Italy is definitely a level stronger than Portugal. But Portugal can be extremely dangerous offensively even though Italy's defense is well organized. Ronaldo will play at his max for a last time when it is all about the World Championship. I am excited to see how much the Italians are going to deliver.

Quote from: CLS63 on December 15, 2021, 07:57:17 AM

It looks like one of Italy and Portugal teams are going to be eliminated in the playoff stage. Italy wouldn't have much problem on qualifying for the final game of this stage. Because they have a very easy opponent to beat like North Macedonia. But I'm not going to say the same thing for Portugal also. Because they don't have a very easy job against Turkey. I must admit that Turkey were really bad for a particular time period in the Qualifiers. But they started performing better in their last games. They can cause Portugal to have a really hard time against them. And who knows, maybe Turkey can eliminate them. But it is a low probability in my opinion.

I’m having a tough time seeing two of my favourite teams on the verge of elimination, and it hurts knowing that only one of them can qualify. Lastly past performances don’t matter now, and what will matter is how badly the player’s of Portugal and Italy want to qualify, and I sincerely hope that one of them qualifies.

Exactly, it feels like a preliminary final of the World Cup. Some fans might like that, I don't know, but I would prefer to see teams of that calibre play at least in a group stage against each other during the final round of the World Cup. However, in the end it should still be performance based and if the teams don't deliver, they also don't deserve to take part in the final round regardless of what their history in soccer actually is.

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Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Nothing against Wales, but I think Ukraine's probability of victory is much higher than that of Wales. Wales have good players, but even so I think Ukraine is more likely to reach the World Cup than Wales. If Wales makes it, it's history for them.

Normally I agree that Ukraine have a really big attacking power so they can have an important opportunity here also. But Wales are a really interesting team that they can surprise people. I remember their performance in the Euro 2016 tournament. They reached even the semi-finals but were eliminated by Portugal that won the title also. But Wales are not showing the same performance now also. We will see what happens.

their performances have been quite good in recent years even in qualifying now their performance can be said to be very good by holding back belgium and being in second place.
But it will be very difficult for them now to be in the play-off path because now there are several strong countries that have to work there, such as Portugal and Italy.
even if they are able to beat ukraine in the future even i doubt they will continue to keep their hopes up to escape

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Quote from: Spack17 on December 18, 2021, 04:53:30 AM

My favourites in every path are:

Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path B: Russia would beat Poland and Czech Republic would do it to Sweden. And after a Russia - Czech Republic matchup, Russia would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path C: Portugal and Italy would succeed in defeating their opponents. And after a Portugal - Italy matchup, Italy would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

There is still a long time ahead until the matches of course but this is my first prediction for now. After seeing the squads of the teams, things would be clearer.

I mostly agree with your opinion but surprises are always possible.
I watched Russia in the matches against Slovakia and Croatia and Russia was very weak in those matches and showed nothing but good defense.
Since they will have to beat someone in these qualifiers, and not just defend themselves, I do not give them a great chance. I also think that Sweden is better than the Czech Republic and that they will eventually be the winner of Group B.
The finals of Group C will be played in Portugal which will be a small but perhaps decisive advantage for Portugal.

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Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Nothing against Wales, but I think Ukraine's probability of victory is much higher than that of Wales. Wales have good players, but even so I think Ukraine is more likely to reach the World Cup than Wales. If Wales makes it, it's history for them.

Normally I agree that Ukraine have a really big attacking power so they can have an important opportunity here also. But Wales are a really interesting team that they can surprise people. I remember their performance in the Euro 2016 tournament. They reached even the semi-finals but were eliminated by Portugal that won the title also. But Wales are not showing the same performance now also. We will see what happens.

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Quote from: Kusman on December 18, 2021, 04:29:37 AM

Considering Path C, I think that the team that have the biggest chance to move on to the 2022 World Cup are Italy definitely. First of all, they have a very easy competitor like North Macedonia in the first stage of this path. And I see no chance for North Macedonia at this point. And after finishing them off, Italy are going to have Turkey or Portugal as their competitor in the final stage. And whichever team become their competitor, I expect Italy to advance.

Of the 4 teams that are on Path C, the greatest chance of advancing to the 2022 World Cup is Italy or Portugal. But I like you prefer Italy which will
qualify for the 2022 World Cup, the quality of the Italian players is a bit better. And also the cooperation of Italian players in playing is more solid
than Portuguese players who rely too much on individual skills. But Portugal also has to be careful when facing Turkey, because Turkey can't
be underestimated, Turkey can knock Norway out. Then Turkey also surprised by beating the Netherlands in the Group G phase, but as long as
the Portuguese players can play more compactly, it seems very difficult for Turkey to beat Portugal. I hope that my hopes and yours will come true
that Italy will qualify for the 2022 World Cup.

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Quote from: Spack17 on December 18, 2021, 04:53:30 AM

Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Nothing against Wales, but I think Ukraine's probability of victory is much higher than that of Wales. Wales have good players, but even so I think Ukraine is more likely to reach the World Cup than Wales. If Wales makes it, it's history for them.

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My favourites in every path are:

Path A: Wales would defeat Austria and Ukraine would do the same against Scotland. And after a Wales - Ukraine matchup, Wales would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path B: Russia would beat Poland and Czech Republic would do it to Sweden. And after a Russia - Czech Republic matchup, Russia would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

Path C: Portugal and Italy would succeed in defeating their opponents. And after a Portugal - Italy matchup, Italy would manage to qualify for the World Cup.

There is still a long time ahead until the matches of course but this is my first prediction for now. After seeing the squads of the teams, things would be clearer.

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Quote from: uneng on December 17, 2021, 08:36:28 PM

Fairest results as possible look a good idea. To ensure that I believe every team should play against every other teams (at least inside a same continent) and only then their performance could be rated.

Because what happens is that some teams are just lucky to enter weak groups where they outstand every adversaries, while there are superior teams in stronger tier A groups which end their participation in the competition faster than they should without winning any merit for their effort.

It can totally changes the championship's results by the quarter finals sometimes. That is really unfair.

This is true, but on a calendar level this is extremely difficult. Then we have to look at the reality of each country. There are extremely small countries that will hardly manage to have a range of players of sufficient quality to ever become competitive. Also because often the best players have double nationality and end up choosing the best team.

Take, for example, Europe. Qualifications have countries as small as Luxembourg, Georgia, Kosovo, Lithuania, Montenegro, Andorra, San Marino. And we still have territories that are not even independent, like Wales, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein. It's almost impossible for these countries to go to a world cup.

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Considering Path C, I think that the team that have the biggest chance to move on to the 2022 World Cup are Italy definitely. First of all, they have a very easy competitor like North Macedonia in the first stage of this path. And I see no chance for North Macedonia at this point. And after finishing them off, Italy are going to have Turkey or Portugal as their competitor in the final stage. And whichever team become their competitor, I expect Italy to advance.

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Knowing very well that Portugal has got play offs to go with, if they should qualify for the world Cup next year.
I strongly believes they'll pass that stage successful with much worries, asides Cristiano Ronaldo, you can see how every Portuguese player in there various leagues at doing very good.
At most from Manchester City, Bernardo Silva has been scoring goals, feels good to see that, as some weight will be off Cristiano's shoulder's.
Good luck to them, I have tipped them to win the world Cup next year.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 17, 2021, 06:36:52 PM

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If we think about this issue widely and consider even the qualifiers phases, almost every countries already participate the world cup, but most of them are eliminated in the first stages.

It's hard to change the currently model, because the more teams you add to the main phases, the more expensive the event becomes, without any guarantees the performance of the participants or enjoyment of the public will improve.

I also believe that opening up the opportunity for more teams to qualify wouldn't change the end result much.
What needs to be done is to ensure that each continent's qualifiers are as fair as possible to give opportunities to all teams.
However, like the last Olympics, we've seen several teams and little-known athletes win medals, who knows and who doesn't have a similar surprise at the World Cup Footbal!?.

Fairest results as possible look a good idea. To ensure that I believe every team should play against every other teams (at least inside a same continent) and only then their performance could be rated.

Because what happens is that some teams are just lucky to enter weak groups where they outstand every adversaries, while there are superior teams in stronger tier A groups which end their participation in the competition faster than they should without winning any merit for their effort.

It can totally changes the championship's results by the quarter finals sometimes. That is really unfair.

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Quote from: uneng on December 17, 2021, 06:09:58 PM

If we think about this issue widely and consider even the qualifiers phases, almost every countries already participate the world cup, but most of them are eliminated in the first stages.

It's hard to change the currently model, because the more teams you add to the main phases, the more expensive the event becomes, without any guarantees the performance of the participants or enjoyment of the public will improve.

I also believe that opening up the opportunity for more teams to qualify wouldn't change the end result much.
What needs to be done is to ensure that each continent's qualifiers are as fair as possible to give opportunities to all teams.
However, like the last Olympics, we've seen several teams and little-known athletes win medals, who knows and who doesn't have a similar surprise at the World Cup Footbal!?.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 17, 2021, 12:53:39 PM

Quote from: doomloop on December 17, 2021, 12:34:24 PM

I have feeling if someone want to cut European teams from World Cup then surely he doesn't know about soccer and passion of this continent about soccer.

As an alternative, the possibility of opening more places in the World Cup has already been discussed. But then there is the problem of the calendar, which is very tight for European competitions. There is not much more free space for more competitions/games.

Now, I believe that sooner or later this model will change. Also because there are already many criticisms, even from European federations, to the FIFA competition model.

If we think about this issue widely and consider even the qualifiers phases, almost every countries already participate the world cup, but most of them are eliminated in the first stages.

It's hard to change the currently model, because the more teams you add to the main phases, the more expensive the event becomes, without any guarantees the performance of the participants or enjoyment of the public will improve.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 17, 2021, 03:46:49 PM

I wonder whether the people who think that European teams need to get a lower quota in the World Cup think the same for the Champions League also. For example, do you think that the same number of teams from the Premier League and Turkish League should join the CL?

No one thinking in this way because we all know quality difference is having big gape between these two leagues with I am feeling from England Championship teams are much better than these Turkish Premier League teams because their quality is very good instead of Turkish Leagues from where very few teams are qualifying for Champions League and Europa League with very poor results.

Just this same issue is we have in different continents about soccer just because of this it's never been good idea to cut teams from European continent mostly people's talking increase in total teams and increase time frame for world which is currently one month then we can go for 55 to 60 days which is also acceptable with some good number of teams with better quality from all continents without any concern.

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I wonder whether the people who think that European teams need to get a lower quota in the World Cup think the same for the Champions League also. For example, do you think that the same number of teams from the Premier League and Turkish League should join the CL?

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Quote from: jostorres on December 17, 2021, 02:40:11 PM

One possibility is they create two windows for this and have this all in two stages because this will also have some better results with this all like first having main round and after a break they can do like Champions League knock out stage it makes some sense and have better results for all parties but still it needs some good debate and effort as well because we have Champions League matches in many countries and this world cup is playing only in one or two countries.

UEFA did something similar to the League of Nations, guaranteeing the four finalists are entitled to participate in the playoff for access to the EURO Cup. If they do not qualify for the competition in the qualifying groups.

The test is still very recent and the best way to do it is being evaluated.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 17, 2021, 12:53:39 PM

Quote from: doomloop on December 17, 2021, 12:34:24 PM

I have feeling if someone want to cut European teams from World Cup then surely he doesn't know about soccer and passion of this continent about soccer.

As an alternative, the possibility of opening more places in the World Cup has already been discussed. But then there is the problem of the calendar, which is very tight for European competitions. There is not much more free space for more competitions/games.

Now, I believe that sooner or later this model will change. Also because there are already many criticisms, even from European federations, to the FIFA competition model.

32 is very good number of countries but still if they want to do some more than it's good but for this they need to change many things as well because already we have very tough calendar for this and after having some good number of teams this will dumb some more time because handling this all is not easy for anyone but still doors open for all possibilities.

One possibility is they create two windows for this and have this all in two stages because this will also have some better results with this all like first having main round and after a break they can do like Champions League knock out stage it makes some sense and have better results for all parties but still it needs some good debate and effort as well because we have Champions League matches in many countries and this world cup is playing only in one or two countries.

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