2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 169.

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Quote from: Trojane on December 22, 2021, 06:32:10 PM

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To see the World Cup's quality to increase, I think that Fifa need to increase the quota that they have given to European teams. I hope that we can watch many more European teams in the World Cup after the next format of the tournament.

These is your own suggestion as you said .
FIFA will always wanna do it the way they want and yet, many people like you around the globe are giving diverse suggestions too.
The European football association has always made the world cup distinguished for the European countries only so if the should be an advancement, then it's left for FIFA to decide

I don't think the European quota should be increased. If the World Cup was just the best teams in the world, it would be entirely Europe and South America, it would be the same teams every time, and it would lose some appeal. It is far better, and more truly a World Cup if it is the best representatives from every continent. Even though I am European, I would like to see more African and Asian nations there. It is more exciting to encounter new teams from new nations, and these nations don't get thrashed 10-0 every time, they do genuinely compete, we've seen it many times.

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Quote from: Alanaz on December 22, 2021, 01:10:54 PM

Portuguese players are actually quite good and some of their names can be said to be famous names but their performance in the national team is very different at the club.
they seem to lose momentum and cooperation when playing at the national team level.
talking about their coach actually i see ronaldo more often giving instructions than fernando santos Cheesy

This is very true! Fernando Santos is heavily criticized in Portugal, for always using players who no longer pay to the detriment of other good players. In addition to not putting players to play in their usual ways (so the "darlings" can continue playing). It was because of this bad strategy that they are now in the playoffs.

He is one of the coaches who is actually spoiled because there are already good players in him and he just needs to make the right composition for that.
but he's overconfident in this qualifier and it's this trait that makes him have to fight for the playoffs now.
for the playoffs themselves there is no guarantee of easy passage now because indeed the teams that are on the playoff path can't be underestimated, moreover there is their strongest competitor, namely Italy.

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Quote from: Alanaz on December 22, 2021, 01:10:54 PM

Portuguese players are actually quite good and some of their names can be said to be famous names but their performance in the national team is very different at the club.
they seem to lose momentum and cooperation when playing at the national team level.
talking about their coach actually i see ronaldo more often giving instructions than fernando santos Cheesy

This case happened to many teams because they faced some difficulty in national teams, even having some very good players with good skills and quality. Portugal has this for some years and on other side Italy never have any issue like this because they are better unit in national team even they are having some bad time for last world cup and now again at a crucial time their team lost momentum, and they are playing qualifier, but they are in better shape then Portugal.

It is the biggest advantage for them in next qualifier Portugal is having some other issues as well as peoples saying Ronaldo is trying to hijack all things in place of his coach which is also having issue, but many things could be handled in better way for mega events.

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Italy was playing world cup qualifiers terribly, they were unable to win most games, achieving only boring ties against considered weak teams such as Northern Ireland and Bulgaria. And even though Switzerland isn't a weak team, Italy should have been superior to them, but they were unable to do it as well, staying in second position in group C. Considering it, Portugal seems to have some advantage over them.
However, at same time, Italy has played Eurocopa 2021 brightly and that is a very strong factor at their favour. I could even believe Italy has totally focused their effort and energy in Eurocopa until now and since it's over, they can fully concentrate their skills in world cup from this phase on.

You are right in this concern, but sadly Italy is facing some serious trouble with too many injuries which are occurring these matches, and they have to face few unwanted draws against weak teams, so now they are in qualifiers for next world cup after losing their spot in last world cup, but surely we all know in few things no one can do any magic, so this happens in Italy case they are facing some terrible injuries with too many players but now good luck they have some good time hopefully during this period they will have some better options or alternative, so they will be able to play against strong opponent like Portugal and will qualify for next world cup.

The truth is Italy is the team of my soul, I like Italian football, and everything that has to do with Italy, and the truth is that they deserve to enter the World Cup, however on the other side there is Portugal, and Portugal I just want That he goes to the World Cup for CR7, I want to see if CR7 and Messi can meet in an eventual World Cup final, because France is in charge at a given moment of eliminating a very powerful Brazil, France always represents it, as in the 2002 World Cup, when France eliminated Brazil and played with Italy, which was when Zinedine Zidane was expelled, which was a great final.

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To see the World Cup's quality to increase, I think that Fifa need to increase the quota that they have given to European teams. I hope that we can watch many more European teams in the World Cup after the next format of the tournament.

These is your own suggestion as you said .
FIFA will always wanna do it the way they want and yet, many people like you around the globe are giving diverse suggestions too.
The European football association has always made the world cup distinguished for the European countries only so if the should be an advancement, then it's left for FIFA to decide

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 16, 2021, 07:35:53 PM

To see the World Cup's quality to increase, I think that Fifa need to increase the quota that they have given to European teams. I hope that we can watch many more European teams in the World Cup after the next format of the tournament.

I don't think it's fair!
For those who want to see top-level Europe football, just follow UEFA.

As several people have already commented here, FIFA's intention is to increasingly open space for all confederations to have a fair opportunity to participate in the World Cup.
If there is any continent that should benefit from more teams qualifying, in my opinion it would be the one with the most countries interested in participating in the championship, and not the best.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 16, 2021, 07:35:53 PM

To see the World Cup's quality to increase, I think that Fifa need to increase the quota that they have given to European teams. I hope that we can watch many more European teams in the World Cup after the next format of the tournament.

European have many slot country on every world cup and make them easy how to win from each word cup competition, I think FIFA need to make balance between each region to get same slot country like Asian, African and American have the same country get by European, now need to change maybe next world cup FIFA should give more for other region and not priority again with European.

I disagree with this, if only the best teams qualified to the world cup regardless of the zone in which they were located then the overwhelming majority of the teams will come from Europe and South America.

However if this was the way national teams classified then it could be hardly be called a world cup as most of the world will not be represented in the competition, this is why FIFA went for the current system in which each federation gets a limited number of spots and national teams fight for the right to go to the world cup, by doing things this way FIFA can get a tournament in which there is a enough diversity while still maintaining a high quality of play as the strongest federations receive more spots to qualify to the world cup.

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Quote from: Alanaz on December 22, 2021, 01:10:54 PM

Portuguese players are actually quite good and some of their names can be said to be famous names but their performance in the national team is very different at the club.
they seem to lose momentum and cooperation when playing at the national team level.
talking about their coach actually i see ronaldo more often giving instructions than fernando santos Cheesy

This is very true! Fernando Santos is heavily criticized in Portugal, for always using players who no longer pay to the detriment of other good players. In addition to not putting players to play in their usual ways (so the "darlings" can continue playing). It was because of this bad strategy that they are now in the playoffs.

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But don't forget one thing, I call it the "Cristiano Ronaldo Effect", most of the current Portuguese players are stunning, besides Cristiano Ronaldo of course there is also Bruno Fernandez who both defended Manchester United. The player who plays as a midfielder is able to provide strength in the MU midfield.
It's interesting to look forward to their contribution in their country, especially since Ronaldo will definitely go all out to compete in Qatar, because this might be his last appearance at the four-year event.

That's true. But the problem for Portugal is not the quality of the players, who have the best in the various possibilities on the field. The problem lies in the strategy set up by the coach, who is not being able to monetize that quality.

Portuguese players are actually quite good and some of their names can be said to be famous names but their performance in the national team is very different at the club.
they seem to lose momentum and cooperation when playing at the national team level.
talking about their coach actually i see ronaldo more often giving instructions than fernando santos Cheesy

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Quote from: maju69 on December 22, 2021, 10:47:25 AM

But don't forget one thing, I call it the "Cristiano Ronaldo Effect", most of the current Portuguese players are stunning, besides Cristiano Ronaldo of course there is also Bruno Fernandez who both defended Manchester United. The player who plays as a midfielder is able to provide strength in the MU midfield.
It's interesting to look forward to their contribution in their country, especially since Ronaldo will definitely go all out to compete in Qatar, because this might be his last appearance at the four-year event.

That's true. But the problem for Portugal is not the quality of the players, who have the best in the various possibilities on the field. The problem lies in the strategy set up by the coach, who is not being able to monetize that quality.

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Italy really got surprising results in the World Cup Qualifiers. But they are still a very strong team. And as we are talking about the chance to join the World Cup now, I expect them to improve their performance a lot compared to before. They would eliminate North Macedonia easily. But let's say that they have a matchup against Portugal in the final round of the playoffs, then things are going to get really interesting. But I still believe in Italy to advance.

It is normal for Italia to perform better in the final stages of major competitions than in qualifying. Even so, this qualifying didn't go so well.
Either way, although I prefer Portugal, I believe it's Italy that we'll see in Qatar.

But don't forget one thing, I call it the "Cristiano Ronaldo Effect", most of the current Portuguese players are stunning, besides Cristiano Ronaldo of course there is also Bruno Fernandez who both defended Manchester United. The player who plays as a midfielder is able to provide strength in the MU midfield.
It's interesting to look forward to their contribution in their country, especially since Ronaldo will definitely go all out to compete in Qatar, because this might be his last appearance at the four-year event.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 22, 2021, 07:47:09 AM

Look, you have a lot of non-Wales bettors, betting on Wales. For example, Russian bettors are more likely to bet in Wales than in Ukraine. (They don't like each other... Roll Eyes

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Dude, I've no intention of arguing a point I don't even really think is important and one neither of us can back up with numbers. So okay, you win

Let's close this and let me focus on club football haha.

All this started from me commenting on your original line about fans from Wales and fans from Ukraine:

Quote from: joker_josue on December 21, 2021, 01:20:36 PM

If you think about it, I think we have more fans from Wales able to invest more money than fans from Ukraine. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: buwaytress on December 22, 2021, 04:47:19 AM

Neither do I, just guessing at the numbers, but I was also talking about the volume or actual financial value of betting too though. I personally think there are more whales putting money from Ukraine than all the Welsh gamblers combined.

Look, you have a lot of non-Wales bettors, betting on Wales. For example, Russian bettors are more likely to bet in Wales than in Ukraine. (They don't like each other... Roll Eyes

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Maybe Wales are favoured for the Ukraine game but I don't think the same as bookmakers. Ukraine never should be an underestimated team. They don't underestimate Ukraine actually, I know. Because the difference between the odds of Wales and Ukraine is not big. But taking Ukraine's great attackers into account, I can't see Wales being one step ahead of them.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 22, 2021, 04:09:44 AM

I did not mean that there is less money in Ukraine. What I mean is that culturally, people in the UK like to gamble more than perhaps in Ukraine.
Maybe from Ukraine we have single bets with higher value. But perhaps in the number of people participating, we will have from the UK. I don't know the numbers, it's just a guess.

Neither do I, just guessing at the numbers, but I was also talking about the volume or actual financial value of betting too though. I personally think there are more whales putting money from Ukraine than all the Welsh gamblers combined. But that's just me and my pre-built assumptions about how the rest of the world gambles when it comes to World Cup. I know as in my home country, there's only black market sports betting, so yeah we probably have 100 times fewer gamblers, but those who do go underground put crazy money on World Cup. Sort of like revenge betting as they couldn't do it for the other 3 years before heh.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 22, 2021, 04:09:44 AM

I did not mean that there is less money in Ukraine. What I mean is that culturally, people in the UK like to gamble more than perhaps in Ukraine.
Maybe from Ukraine we have single bets with higher value. But perhaps in the number of people participating, we will have from the UK. I don't know the numbers, it's just a guess.

Yea I would think so too. Sport betting is widely popular in the UK and socially accepted, whereas most people in Ukraine probably don't care or don't have the money for it. (Except maybe some billionaires with large bets Cheesy

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Quote from: buwaytress on December 21, 2021, 03:18:03 PM

British "investment" perhaps, I think if it really comes down to it, there's more money in Ukrainian betting than Welsh any day, I'd wager. Not got the numbers to back it but there's a lot of powerful old money looking for Ukrainian interests in football Wink

I did not mean that there is less money in Ukraine. What I mean is that culturally, people in the UK like to gamble more than perhaps in Ukraine.
Maybe from Ukraine we have single bets with higher value. But perhaps in the number of people participating, we will have from the UK. I don't know the numbers, it's just a guess.

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Quote from: joker_josue on December 21, 2021, 01:20:36 PM

If you think about it, I think we have more fans from Wales able to invest more money than fans from Ukraine. Roll Eyes

British "investment" perhaps, I think if it really comes down to it, there's more money in Ukrainian betting than Welsh any day, I'd wager. Not got the numbers to back it but there's a lot of powerful old money looking for Ukrainian interests in football Wink

@KTChampions: you're right, Ukraine seems to be the best value bet here. I generally don't lock money in for a long time unless it's huge outrights or specials (I'd be watching bookies for that closer to the contest) but if you like outrights like me, and want to book in small amounts (say 10-50 just for fun) then I'd go for the price boosts every day to milk maximum value.

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I will especially be following Path C matches in this playoff stage for the World Cup. Because there are two really big teams there like Portugal and Italy. And most probably, we will be seeing a final match between them. Because Portugal can beat Turkey maybe with a slight difference. And Italy have a much more easy job to do against North Macedonia. And after a final match like this, Italy can defeat Portugal and move them out of their way.

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Quote from: Reosta_ on December 21, 2021, 05:57:25 AM

For example, I see Ukraine as the favourite side against Wales here but bookmakers think the opposite. And I bet so many people think the same as me like Ukraine would advance to the final stage.

If you think about it, I think we have more fans from Wales able to invest more money than fans from Ukraine. Roll Eyes

Honestly, I think the same, I see Ukraine winning over Wales, rather than the other way around.

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