2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 35.

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I don't completely agree with this, Because winter in Qatar lasts for 3.1 months, from December 4 to March 8, with average daily highs below 26°C. The coldest month of the year in Doha is January, with an average low of 14°C and a high of 22°C. So this can benefit many countries competing for trophy.

Just looking at temperatures can be misleading. We have to count on the humidity levels and the thermal sensation. Which for those who are practicing a physical activity, are very significant elements.

Now, the fact that the World Cup is held in different places is also to create different difficulties for all teams. You can't just think about big teams.

These factors should be taken on consideration although I remember Qatar took mesures to improve climate in Stadium.
Apart from Europeans countries and Canada +/- USA, the remaining nations are somewhat used to play in similar conditions.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2022, 10:23:17 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on September 28, 2022, 12:35:36 PM

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In terms of climate conditions, hasn't Qatar guaranteed that there will be some kind of super stadiums with fully air-conditioned throughout the stadium? I think I've heard something similar.

I know that the Qataris are swimming in wads of money after the LNG prices went up by 20x during recent times. But at the same time, the players might find themselves in unfamiliar territory with a lot of restrictions. They can't go out with their friends to have a couple of beers. They can't even bring their girlfriends to the tournament, because unmarried couples are not allowed in Qatar. And more importantly, although the stadiums may be air-conditioned, we can't expect the players to stay there for 100% of the time.

But in the news they wrote that even for ordinary tourists the rules will be soft and they will be able to drink beer. Similarly, girls - all these restrictions concern the Qataris themselves rather than tourists, and even more so football players. If I remember correctly, one of the players is openly gay and he criticized Qatar for homophobic laws, but it is obvious that no one will detain him there or prosecute him for homosexuality. All these restrictions are rather far-fetched and the players will not notice them. As for the rest of the conditions, they are accustomed to a change of scenery and, in general, all the players will be on an equal footing - Europeans, Americans, Africans and Asians.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 29, 2022, 01:24:26 PM

In the 2010 world cup, south africa hosted. however, hot weather problems did not stop Spain from becoming champions.

referring to the world cup in Qatar.
According to several news sources that I read, in November, the temperature there is estimated to only reach 24 degrees Celsius. Even so, Qatar continues to innovate by installing air conditioning in every stadium to make it more friendly for players and spectators. as a result, the conditions in the stadium will certainly feel cool.

In an interview with FIFA, Dr Saud Abdulaziz Abdul Ghani, professor of mechanical engineering at Qatar University said "we not only cool the air, but also clean it".
So, it seems that weather or hot climate factors will not have a significant impact on the performance of all contestants who will compete later.

Climate and hot weather I think not problem for European and American countries have hot weather in their state, learned from many time World Cup edition from South Africa on 2010 and South Korean on 2002 keep have bigger chance for European and American country become the champion. Actually I don't see serious problem about hot weather in Qatar because World Cup edition this time begin at middle competition.

I worry with players not have enough time for recovery because few weeks only time preparing after several league around the world postponed preparing for World Cup, usually all Word Cup edition held after league ended and player have many time for recovery and rest time, but FIFA World Cup Qatar different after allowing begin at the middle league competition held.

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I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

World Cup 2022 which is going to be played in Qatar with climate change and Conditions are surely going to have impact on many teams specially from UEFA countries because they need time for adjustment, but they have no enough time for this just because of European soccer season is on peak, so this is also going against them with teams from Africa and South America both are in better shape just because of these conditions with right now most of the UEFA top teams are in development process which is surely another factor for having not good performance from them many are coming with youths and few are having issues which are not going to settle soon.

Argentina and Brazil are also having youths, but they are better prepared for this and can do good performance, which is also big factor for having title in their pocket this time.

In the 2010 world cup, south africa hosted. however, hot weather problems did not stop Spain from becoming champions.

referring to the world cup in Qatar.
According to several news sources that I read, in November, the temperature there is estimated to only reach 24 degrees Celsius. Even so, Qatar continues to innovate by installing air conditioning in every stadium to make it more friendly for players and spectators. as a result, the conditions in the stadium will certainly feel cool.

In an interview with FIFA, Dr Saud Abdulaziz Abdul Ghani, professor of mechanical engineering at Qatar University said "we not only cool the air, but also clean it".
So, it seems that weather or hot climate factors will not have a significant impact on the performance of all contestants who will compete later.

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Quote from: fathafraink on September 29, 2022, 04:26:08 AM

I don't completely agree with this, Because winter in Qatar lasts for 3.1 months, from December 4 to March 8, with average daily highs below 26°C. The coldest month of the year in Doha is January, with an average low of 14°C and a high of 22°C. So this can benefit many countries competing for trophy.

Just looking at temperatures can be misleading. We have to count on the humidity levels and the thermal sensation. Which for those who are practicing a physical activity, are very significant elements.

Now, the fact that the World Cup is held in different places is also to create different difficulties for all teams. You can't just think about big teams.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 29, 2022, 02:08:23 AM

That is nothing compared from what I have learned from a couple of friends who got there working for two years.They were treated like slaves in the true meaning of the word,yes they give you a lot of money compared to where my friends live but the treatment is really really bad.Nevertheless they have come back here with some decent amount of money and don't intend to go back there anymore.

Qatar is one of the countries which has some Islamic laws,not the Sharia,not that extreme but not far from it either so yeah punishment like those are normal there.Sometimes we,people that live in western based rule of law take things for granted but they are not so we must fight for them to keep it the way we have them.

Salaries are not that high. A typical blue collar worker earns in the vicinity of $500 per month, for a job that requires you to work 12-hours a day, and 6 days per week. One advantage is that most of the GCC nations doesn't have income tax and the local currencies are pegged to the US Dollar. So when the national currencies in their homeland gets devalued, these guys profit out of it. Similar jobs can get paid by 5-6 times more in the western nations. But then, for poor people from South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and South-east Asia, jobs in the GCC region represents one of the few available avenues to escape from poverty.

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Quote from: fathafraink on September 29, 2022, 04:26:08 AM

I don't completely agree with this, Because winter in Qatar lasts for 3.1 months, from December 4 to March 8, with average daily highs below 26°C. The coldest month of the year in Doha is January, with an average low of 14°C and a high of 22°C. So this can benefit many countries competing for trophy.

Great if this is true. I landed there last year in mid October and it was 34 degrees at 3 AM and was barely breathable while standing still. Even a thought of running is impossible in these circumstances.

I already made plans of betting on African teams early on due to the heat conditions, seems like that won't be the best approach after all.

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Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.

I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

World Cup 2022 which is going to be played in Qatar with climate change and Conditions are surely going to have impact on many teams specially from UEFA countries because they need time for adjustment, but they have no enough time for this just because of European soccer season is on peak, so this is also going against them with teams from Africa and South America both are in better shape just because of these conditions with right now most of the UEFA top teams are in development process which is surely another factor for having not good performance from them many are coming with youths and few are having issues which are not going to settle soon.

Argentina and Brazil are also having youths, but they are better prepared for this and can do good performance, which is also big factor for having title in their pocket this time.

I don't completely agree with this, Because winter in Qatar lasts for 3.1 months, from December 4 to March 8, with average daily highs below 26°C. The coldest month of the year in Doha is January, with an average low of 14°C and a high of 22°C. So this can benefit many countries competing for trophy.

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Quote from: nullama on September 28, 2022, 10:34:05 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2022, 10:23:17 PM

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I know that the Qataris are swimming in wads of money after the LNG prices went up by 20x during recent times. But at the same time, the players might find themselves in unfamiliar territory with a lot of restrictions. They can't go out with their friends to have a couple of beers. They can't even bring their girlfriends to the tournament, because unmarried couples are not allowed in Qatar. And more importantly, although the stadiums may be air-conditioned, we can't expect the players to stay there for 100% of the time.

Absolutely. I don't think it would be a nice place to live if you're not allowed to do most things that are considered normal in your own country.

And the penalties for these things are really harsh, years of imprisonment for drinking a beer in public.

That is nothing compared from what I have learned from a couple of friends who got there working for two years.They were treated like slaves in the true meaning of the word,yes they give you a lot of money compared to where my friends live but the treatment is really really bad.Nevertheless they have come back here with some decent amount of money and don't intend to go back there anymore.

Qatar is one of the countries which has some Islamic laws,not the Sharia,not that extreme but not far from it either so yeah punishment like those are normal there.Sometimes we,people that live in western based rule of law take things for granted but they are not so we must fight for them to keep it the way we have them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2022, 10:23:17 PM

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I know that the Qataris are swimming in wads of money after the LNG prices went up by 20x during recent times. But at the same time, the players might find themselves in unfamiliar territory with a lot of restrictions. They can't go out with their friends to have a couple of beers. They can't even bring their girlfriends to the tournament, because unmarried couples are not allowed in Qatar. And more importantly, although the stadiums may be air-conditioned, we can't expect the players to stay there for 100% of the time.

Absolutely. I don't think it would be a nice place to live if you're not allowed to do most things that are considered normal in your own country.

And the penalties for these things are really harsh, years of imprisonment for drinking a beer in public.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on September 28, 2022, 12:35:36 PM

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In terms of climate conditions, hasn't Qatar guaranteed that there will be some kind of super stadiums with fully air-conditioned throughout the stadium? I think I've heard something similar.

I know that the Qataris are swimming in wads of money after the LNG prices went up by 20x during recent times. But at the same time, the players might find themselves in unfamiliar territory with a lot of restrictions. They can't go out with their friends to have a couple of beers. They can't even bring their girlfriends to the tournament, because unmarried couples are not allowed in Qatar. And more importantly, although the stadiums may be air-conditioned, we can't expect the players to stay there for 100% of the time.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on September 28, 2022, 12:35:36 PM

If you are judging the shape of the teams by the games in the League of Nations, then most likely in vain. Firstly, no one takes them seriously (except for outsiders and teams that are left out of the main tournament like Italy). Secondly, even if these teams are not in shape now, what difference does it make? After all, it will only matter how fit they will be during the World Cup, which does not start tomorrow. In terms of climate conditions, hasn't Qatar guaranteed that there will be some kind of super stadiums with fully air-conditioned throughout the stadium? I think I've heard something similar.

If teams from any continent have an advantage at the World Cup in Qatar, it is clearly not because of climatic conditions. I think that the organizers of the tournament will fulfill their promises and solve the issue of a comfortable temperature at football matches, especially since FIFA specifically decided to hold the tournament not at the usual time, but in another period precisely because of the temperature factor, when the temperature will no longer be so sizzling. As for the significance or non-significance for the top European teams of such a tournament as the UEFA Nations League, I would like to say the following that neither a single national team nor the players themselves will bring themselves to the peak of their physical form right now and will just try to do it a little later when the World Cup is held.

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Quote from: beerlover on September 28, 2022, 05:10:31 PM

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You should sleep on Netherlands, they may not be looking like favorites here, but the reality is that they have a great path to be a good team for a while. First they have an easier group than most, then if they finish first then they will face the second of another group which could be a worse team again, and then they will face the team who beats the other one which is understandable and quarter finals would be harder but that's a good path to take, a few good lottery and you get yourself an easy way to go.

I believe that they are not the contenders right now but they are also not a horrible team neither that could end up in finals.

Yeah, that's kinda what I think might happen.

It's basically a strong team, that with a bit of luck in a couple of matches could actually end up winning the world cup.

If you compare it with weaker teams like Qatar for example, I don't think they would be able to win, even if they get lucky a couple of times.

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I don’t expect Netherlands to be a favourite, even if the odds look decent I strongly feel that they’ll crash out without making it to the semis. Furthermore Brazil squad is covered exceptionally well in each and every department and I just don’t see any other team beating them, and thus if one can get decent odds on Brazil I feel that they should take their chances and stick with Brazil only during this tournament.

Yeah, absolutely right.

It's just a personal thought that I've always seen the Netherlands so close to winning, but never actually achieving it. I don't think they have a squad worth of winning, but you never know. Football is full of surprises, and that could be a nice one.

You should sleep on Netherlands, they may not be looking like favorites here, but the reality is that they have a great path to be a good team for a while. First they have an easier group than most, then if they finish first then they will face the second of another group which could be a worse team again, and then they will face the team who beats the other one which is understandable and quarter finals would be harder but that's a good path to take, a few good lottery and you get yourself an easy way to go.

I believe that they are not the contenders right now but they are also not a horrible team neither that could end up in finals.

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Quote from: nullama on September 28, 2022, 08:04:37 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 28, 2022, 06:14:25 AM

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I don’t expect Netherlands to be a favourite, even if the odds look decent I strongly feel that they’ll crash out without making it to the semis. Furthermore Brazil squad is covered exceptionally well in each and every department and I just don’t see any other team beating them, and thus if one can get decent odds on Brazil I feel that they should take their chances and stick with Brazil only during this tournament.

Yeah, absolutely right.

It's just a personal thought that I've always seen the Netherlands so close to winning, but never actually achieving it. I don't think they have a squad worth of winning, but you never know. Football is full of surprises, and that could be a nice one.

As right now every one is going with his views and predictions any team can go through into this event at any level which is possibility and no one can doubt about this so as many are feeling Netherlands is not favorite team I am also agreed about this because they are having good quality but still not capable of having results which are required for become champions of the world and UEFA Nations Cup performance is not guaranteed for having better performance in this World Cup as well.

But, one thing is sure as we all know soccer world is full of surprises and shocking results so just because of this here any result is possible with any team can go through until end such as we have many times right now mostly peoples are talking about Brazil, France, England, Argentina and Spain but not sure whether these could be in last four any big upset can big shock to soccer world, and we can watch new teams in last four.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 27, 2022, 09:39:09 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on September 27, 2022, 01:42:11 PM

Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.

I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

If you are judging the shape of the teams by the games in the League of Nations, then most likely in vain. Firstly, no one takes them seriously (except for outsiders and teams that are left out of the main tournament like Italy). Secondly, even if these teams are not in shape now, what difference does it make? After all, it will only matter how fit they will be during the World Cup, which does not start tomorrow.
In terms of climate conditions, hasn't Qatar guaranteed that there will be some kind of super stadiums with fully air-conditioned throughout the stadium? I think I've heard something similar.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 28, 2022, 06:14:25 AM

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I don’t expect Netherlands to be a favourite, even if the odds look decent I strongly feel that they’ll crash out without making it to the semis. Furthermore Brazil squad is covered exceptionally well in each and every department and I just don’t see any other team beating them, and thus if one can get decent odds on Brazil I feel that they should take their chances and stick with Brazil only during this tournament.

Yeah, absolutely right.

It's just a personal thought that I've always seen the Netherlands so close to winning, but never actually achieving it. I don't think they have a squad worth of winning, but you never know. Football is full of surprises, and that could be a nice one.

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Quote from: doomloop on September 28, 2022, 05:23:09 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 27, 2022, 09:39:09 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on September 27, 2022, 01:42:11 PM

Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.

I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

World Cup 2022 which is going to be played in Qatar with climate change and Conditions are surely going to have impact on many teams specially from UEFA countries because they need time for adjustment, but they have no enough time for this just because of European soccer season is on peak, so this is also going against them with teams from Africa and South America both are in better shape just because of these conditions with right now most of the UEFA top teams are in development process which is surely another factor for having not good performance from them many are coming with youths and few are having issues which are not going to settle soon.

Argentina and Brazil are also having youths, but they are better prepared for this and can do good performance, which is also big factor for having title in their pocket this time.

I don’t expect Netherlands to be a favourite, even if the odds look decent I strongly feel that they’ll crash out without making it to the semis. Furthermore Brazil squad is covered exceptionally well in each and every department and I just don’t see any other team beating them, and thus if one can get decent odds on Brazil I feel that they should take their chances and stick with Brazil only during this tournament.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 27, 2022, 09:39:09 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on September 27, 2022, 01:42:11 PM

Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.

I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

World Cup 2022 which is going to be played in Qatar with climate change and Conditions are surely going to have impact on many teams specially from UEFA countries because they need time for adjustment, but they have no enough time for this just because of European soccer season is on peak, so this is also going against them with teams from Africa and South America both are in better shape just because of these conditions with right now most of the UEFA top teams are in development process which is surely another factor for having not good performance from them many are coming with youths and few are having issues which are not going to settle soon.

Argentina and Brazil are also having youths, but they are better prepared for this and can do good performance, which is also big factor for having title in their pocket this time.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on September 27, 2022, 01:42:11 PM

Judging by the bookmakers' estimates, the Netherlands have approximately equal chances with Spain and Germany. The Netherlands are rated at 12.7 and Spain and Germany at 8.8 and 10.7. These are fairly close estimates, indicating that the Netherlands is in the group of favorites.
By the way, why do you think that European teams will perform badly at the World Cup? The Cup is formally held in Asia, but in fact it is a time zone in Europe. Therefore, I rather expect that Europe, as always, will dominate.

I don't agree with this. Spain maybe the favorites from the UEFA region and Germany is also a quite strong side (although they have performed very poorly in the UEFA nations league). Netherlands is far behind when compared to these two teams.

I am just assuming that UEFA teams will find it hard to adjust to the climatic conditions in the middle-east. Last time, when the world cup was held in Asia (South Korea/Japan), it was Brazil who lifted the trophy. Another aspect is that none of the UEFA teams (not even Spain) seems to be in peak form right now. Brazil seems to be far ahead of all the other teams.

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